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Team Rivermadness wishes good luck to all racers! Have a good race, be safe and we'll see you at Seadrift! In case anyone is counting, it looks like there are 117 boats in the race, not 119 as listed in the stats section of the TWS board. It looks like an extra Aluminum and Tandem got added in there. Or, maybe they are really in the race and were just left out of the line-up. Anyway, if your counting your position from the last place in your division instead of first, it might make a difference :-) Kevin <Trainwreck20@hotmail.com[chaff]> - Friday, June 13, 2003 at 14:12:20 (CDT) To all those involved with the TWS as either participants, volunteers, or spectators: Have fun and be safe! Jeff Jouett <jj@visualcnc.com> - Friday, June 13, 2003 at 09:42:05 (CDT) David and Russ... It aint really me dissin you...WEST writes all my material ! 889 out. Michael Patrick John Gustus Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Friday, June 13, 2003 at 01:22:58 (CDT) Again, thanks for all of the help guys...see y'all tomorrow. Matt Watson <watsonjm@tamu.edu> - Thursday, June 12, 2003 at 21:42:36 (CDT) Harvey Babb - Thanks for your quick response. I'll have the freqs programmed so my wife can monitor the transmissions. I am also going to forwqrd these to an uncle in SA who is interested in monitoring the transmissions as well, recently acquired his General. Best - Chris Chris Baker <agiedc@itouch.net> - Thursday, June 12, 2003 at 17:11:04 (CDT) Hello all! Marek and I arrived in San Marcos late on Monday night (or was that Tuesday morning?) and have spent a couple of days now checking out the rivers. I'm sneaking into the university's library to read billboard postings, and sneaking printouts, too. Thanks much to the person who put the new Tivoly checkpoint map on here so I could look at it. Getting directions on Friday the 13th seemed like a bad idea to me, with my well-recognized tendency for getting lost. We're staying at the Motel 6 in San Marcos, so look for the skinny black #13 boat if you're in the neighborhood. Cheerio and see you all at the start. Connie Uliasz <connie@atmos.colostate.edu> - Thursday, June 12, 2003 at 16:23:55 (CDT) Robert and Michael: You guys stop pick'n on my pa! No... never mind... keep pick'n on him... But really... you are going too rough on him. Russ makes a great set of team captains. I really appreciate his dedication! He would also make a good 2nd and 3rd man for a 3 man team were it not for the fact he only has one set of arms and legs. I guess it's not too smart to be saying these things about the man who's sealing our food. Speaking of sealing:I've offered to help, but the old man insists it's a one-man job. I think he just likes to be "MASTER OF THE SEAL O MEAL". It's like a connection to the Safari for him. I was over at the home yesterday while he worked. He was mumbling something about "Uh huhhhh... That's righhhht... You gotta git it in there jest so... uh huhhh... caint mess it up... nuh uhh!" I let it go for about 10 minutes before I suggested he actually put some food in a bag. I let it go another 5 minutes before I suggested he plug in the unit. He finally just turned his hearing aide off and shuffled off to do some arts and crafts in the day room. ROBERT (El Jefe) : Who knows - with that glowing description someone is bound to turn up willing to give him that ten inches he hankers for ! M P Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Wednesday, June 11, 2003 at 22:46:35 (CDT) Ham radio freqs. (Not to be confused with "Ham radio FREAKS", of which I are one ;) Upper river 147.140 MHz Sattler "Buzzard Roost" repeater. Lower river 145.190 MHz Victoria repeater. There will also be a lot of activity on 145.010 MHz "packet" if you have the equipment to receive it. 73, de Harvey, WB5MCT Harvey Babb <harveyb@testengeer.com> - Wednesday, June 11, 2003 at 22:03:45 (CDT) Looks like we have a race in a few days. This is what life is all about, fun stuff. Hooah. Anyone happen to know what frequency the ham operators use for the race info? I sure would appreciate someone letting me know so I can tune my radio to it for my wife at home and the truck. "Crank it up a notch" Chris "Huff&Puff III" <agiedc@itouch.net> - Wednesday, June 11, 2003 at 21:47:08 (CDT) Hey Group, If you don't know Russ, and wish to visit with him at checkin. Rather than attempt to describe him in my own words, I have taken quotes from some of his posts. He has done a pretty good job of describing himself. In his own words, Russ is a "preachy old fart" that is "suffering from senility". He is a self described "Lard Ass" and states that he is sometimes mistaken for a "beached whale". No doubt, he should be easy to spot in the crowd. Robert Youens <txsnappper@aol.com> - Wednesday, June 11, 2003 at 20:44:33 (CDT) Don't forget to drop us an email to guarantee an appointment for your post race massage. See you at the finish! Carole Penning CarolePenn@aol.com Catherine Elder Cthnrenl@netscape.net Carole Penning & Catherine Elder <CarolePenn@aol.com> - Wednesday, June 11, 2003 at 08:48:22 (CDT) Rain or No Rain - 100 hrs or less - the FIBERGLASS Battleship needs no River Fairies . . . This Hazardous Weather Outlook is brought to you by Team Bayou-D-Gradable: 000 FLUS44 KEWX 101059 HWOSAT TXZ171>173-183>194-202>209-217>225-228-111100- HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE AUSTIN/SAN ANTONIO TX 600 AM CDT TUE JUN 10 2003 THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR SOUTH CENTRAL TEXAS. .DAY ONE...TODAY AND TONIGHT AN UPPER LEVEL DISTURBANCE WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE ACROSS TEXAS TODAY INTO TONIGHT. STRONG THUNDERSTORMS WITH GUSTY WINDS AND SMALL HAIL ARE POSSIBLE. ALSO...LOCALLY HEAVY RAINFALL CAN BE EXPECTED WHICH MAY PRODUCE SOME MINOR FLOODING OF LOW LYING AREAS. .SPOTTER INFORMATION STATEMENT... SPOTTER ACTIVATION MAY BE REQUIRED. .DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN...WEDNESDAY THROUGH MONDAY A SERIES OF UPPER LEVEL DISTURBANCES WILL MOVE ACROSS TEXAS THROUGH THE PERIOD. IN ADDITION...A COOL FRONT WILL MOVE INTO SOUTHERN TEXAS SATURDAY NIGHT INTO SUNDAY. AS A RESULT...THERE IS AT LEAST A SLIGHT CHANCE OF THUNDERSTORMS THROUGH THE PERIOD. GUSTY WINDS... SMALL HAIL...AND LOCALLY HEAVY RAINFALL ARE POSSIBLE. Matt Michaels <m.michaels@d2c.net> - Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 19:10:16 (CDT) As was announced earlier- the Saltwater Barrier Dam will be the official Checkpoint# 10 in the Texas Water Safari this year instead of the Tivoli Bridge. Maps to the Saltwater Barrier Dam will be in all team packets and official packets. They will also be available at checkin on Friday, June 13.  Click to Enlarge mapper <maps@SafariNews.net> - Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 16:35:42 (CDT) Tim: The advice you will get will be different from everyone who has ever done the race. Typically racers, especially the less experienced, over estimate the amount of food required. I no longer race, but I was really paranoid about going without food. (One look would show you I never missed a meal) It really is a conundrum: Theoretically, the more intense your race (yours would not be) the more calories per hour you would need. The converse of that is, that the harder you are working in the heat, the more dehydrated you become, the less blood flows to the stomach, and the less appealing food becomes. Your body weight is another factor. I would say for the pace necessary to get there anywhere from say, the banquet (75 hours) to the cutoff (100 hours,) a calorie intake of what you would require for hiking in the mountains 8 - 12 hour per day multiplied by 1.25 would be about right. You will be active longer in a typical day, but you won't be using as many big muscles. Be sure to stay hydrated and keep your electrolytes up and COOL OFF by immersing yourself in river water or pouring it over your head frequently, especially if you are a lard ass like me. Be sure to take stuff you can look in the eye even when marginally nauseous. And good luck. Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 16:30:48 (CDT) My partner and I are debating daily calorie intake during the race. Can someone offer some advice on daily calorie intake for the race? We're planning on finishing in the 85-95 hour range. Tim Clark <tclark@tlu.edu> - Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 16:09:55 (CDT) Best of luck to all the racer in this years TWS. We are looking forward to seeing everyone on the river. Be safe and smart. Leo and Evangline Ohlemacher, Team Ohles Pride #6922 Evangline <ohles_pride@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 15:44:06 (CDT) John: You are catching Robert in his wussy capacity as Chief Race Judge. In that capacity, he is nothing more than a 6 foot 5 inch Teddy Bear. You should have known him when the water was going up rapidly in '87 and he and his partner were going for the record against Tom Wilkinson and Kevin Bradley. As I recall, the water was just under the bridge at Gonzo. Literally, you could have eddied out behind the two monuments to the Battle of Gonzales up by the highway. There were eddy holes on the back side of pecan trees that would have swallowed a hypalon raft. People were freakin water skiing on the golf course. And what was Youens doing to "...get us all down the river...safely...?" I'll tell you what. He and Rocky were standing in front of the counter at Goynes' Canoe Livery arguing that the race should be run the next weekend! (Bugge and Shively were in strong agreement, just to show you what sage and wise company Robert was keeping.) You could not have found the river channel with a GPS and a helicopter. Ultimately, of course, the race was postponed until the weekend of July 4, and the water was still very high. Afterward, we found flat bottomed fishing boats 50 feet up in cypress trees. Then, Robert and Rocky reappear in Goynes's shop and Rocky is demanding that Tom post someone at the Gonzales "cut" to ensure that no other aluminum boats take it. Tom kept saying "Rocky, I don't want to hear you call that a "cut." There is no water flowing through it and it is illegal and would give someone a 15 minute advantage." Rocky looked down at his Timex, looked back at Tom and replied: "Actually, 22 minutes and 30 seconds." As I remember, Robert just stood there, looking like Johnny Cochran at the O.J. Trial. But that's another story. Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 13:13:07 (CDT) Robert, we hugely appreciate your time, efforts, preparations, and determination to get us all down the river...safely. John <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 08:35:15 (CDT) Glow Sticks. Low weight,cheap, Virtually Indistructable and can be seen for miles. Glow Sticks. Make it easier for the boat to find you in the bay in the dark if you get into trouble down there. We will find you anyway but why make it harder than necessary. Besides if you Pop A Flare all you want at that point is a Biger Boat and possibly a Beer. Hope it isn't needed. Glow Sticks. C.J. Hall <cjhall@swt.edu> - Monday, June 09, 2003 at 23:03:06 (CDT) Be sure to check the expiration dates on your flares. Mine were expired and the marine supply house where i get much of my stuff had some nearly expired/expired flares on the rack. Jay Daniel <jhdaniel@sbcglobal.net> - Monday, June 09, 2003 at 21:55:25 (CDT) HEY DAWGS! DOES IT REALY MATTER WHETHER THE JAMS OR TRIMMED OR NOT? HEY, WE HAVE A 20 OR 3O% CHANCE OF RAIN EVERY DAY. THE WAY I LOOK AT IT IS, ITS ALWAYS 50% CHANCE OF RAIN, IT EITHER WILL RAIN OR IT WONT. EVEYONE IS READY, OR U SHOULD NOT BE THERE. THE RIVER IS ALWAYS CHANGING, SO U WILL DEAL WITH IT. IF ITS TO EASY, U WILL NOT RESPECT THE CHALLENGE. GOOOD LUCK TO ALL U IDIOTS/RICHARD OUT Richard Miller <richetel@yahoo.com> - Monday, June 09, 2003 at 17:20:17 (CDT) The river fairies did do a bit of work but me thinks that one might assume that they slacked off and missed a few things. But, look closely and think outside the box to find the magic carpet. So where exactly did they trim? I ain't gonna tell ya even if I knew. nanny-nanny boo-boo and pass the pills. Hogelbarth <Hogelbarth@fact_checker.com> - Monday, June 09, 2003 at 16:26:01 (CDT) River update...Luling to Palmetto, we hit one log jam we had to portage over, and one we went under, with the stern-man getting his face stuck in a log...other than that, not bad...the one we protaged was just downstream of I-10. Weather.com has a 30% chance of t-storms in San Marcos for the next-week. Seadrift has a 30% chance starting this weekend, increasing to 50% next Tue. Guess I need to pack some rain gear. I'd also like to thank all the people on this board that have offered their advice and answered my questions. I really appreciate all the help! Matt... Matt Watson <watsonjm@tamu.edu> - Monday, June 09, 2003 at 15:29:36 (CDT) I'm confused. Is it gonna rain or not. confused <unsidedown@insideout> - Monday, June 09, 2003 at 14:16:54 (CDT) The boat is waxed, four days of food has been purchased, I am at work with nothing to do: EXCESSIVE RAINFALL DISCUSSION NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD 232 PM EDT MON JUN 09 2003 ...VALID 00Z TUE JUN 10 2003 - 00Z WED JUN 11 2003... ...REFERENCE AWIPS GRAPHIC UNDER...DAY 1 EXCESSIVE RAINFALL... THE LATEST WV IMAGERY SHOWS A DECENT MID/UPR LVL LOW OVR NRN MEX THAT CONTS TO PUSH EWD. CNCVTN IS INCRSG AHD OF THE MAIN VORT...ALNG WITH WEAKER VORTS THAT ARE EJECTING EWD AHD OF THE MAIN SYS. THIS ENERGY WL MOV OVR THE MORE UNSTBL/MOIST AIRMASS OVR WRN TX LATER THIS EVE AND SUPPORT WDSPRD CNVCTN THAT SHLD PUSH SLOLY EWD TNGT. PWS ARE FCST TO REMAIN ARND 1.50 INCHES WITH 8H DWPTS IN THE MID TEENS. SOME CELL MERGERS/OUTFLOW BNDRY INTERSECTIONS WL LEAD TO BRIEF INTENSE RNS CLS TO TWO INCHES WITHIN A COUPLE OF HRS. Matt Michaels <m.michaels@d2c.net> - Monday, June 09, 2003 at 13:48:29 (CDT) We did Luling to HWY 90 pm Sunday. Water is up with a nice current, but not so fast as to be dangerous. Encountered a couple of major log jams, but looks like the River Faries have taken care of all the small ones. As to those purists who complain about the River Faries cutting paths - what say if we stop that next year we also institute drug testing - not only for steroids and uppers, but Vivarin, ibuprophin, and Lamotil. Would anyone test clean? Seat side up and downstream. See ya Saturday. Boat 5557. Agin' Bulls. (Formerly Captains Outrageous). Bob Brown <rdbrown@tamu.edu> - Monday, June 09, 2003 at 11:31:53 (CDT) After a long ride on the river all you want is a long shower, a good meal, and those sore muscles worked out. Come by to book your one hour massage or have your team captain come by in advance with your approximate finish time and we will make sure you have an appointment. You will receive a free gift from us as a Thank You for your support. If you know what your finish time might be, send us an email or give us a call to book an approximate time. Rate is only $50.00 per hour. Cash or Check. We have been at the Finish Line for the last several years, and look forward to seeing you again this year! See you at the finish. Carole Penning, RMT Catherine Elder,RMT 712-622-HAND (4263) 713-622-4343 Carole Penning and Catherine Elder <CthrnEld@netscape.net> - Monday, June 09, 2003 at 07:57:33 (CDT) Hey Racers, I secured a ladder to the back side of Cuero Dam Saturday. Someone had left some carpet and marked a portage to the right of where I place the ladder. I took a look at it and it looks OK. I also placed flashers on Cuero Dam and about 25 yards up stream from the dam at what looks like a good place to get out. I placed the get out sign next to the upstream flasher. Next I went to check out a dangerous jam in a fast current section about 15 miles down stream of Gonzo 183. The jam was reported to me by a team that had a near tragic enocounter with the jam last Saturday night. I was able to cut a 15' wide opening right through the center of the jam. There was one staub I could not remove so I painted the whole staub reflective orange. It will be a good indicator of distance covered since it is at almost exactly 15 miles below Gonzo 183. Since I did not know if I was going to be able to remove the jam, I painted 10 M in about 2 feet tall letters on a tree in the river as a indicator of approach. It should be highly visible and is in fact at the 10 mile point. I talked to a Game Warden and he had just gone from Hochheim to Cheapside and reported the route clear enough that he traveled the route in his large power boat. The log jam on approach to Ottine Dam Portage has been removed and you can now take a straight shot to the portage on river left. Signs and flashers have been placed at Ottine and Gonzo Dams. If you were on the river and saw something that we need to mention at the race briefing please let me know. Thanks, Robert Youens Robert Youens <txsnapper@aol.com> - Sunday, June 08, 2003 at 12:42:05 (CDT) THIS IS AN UNABASHED PLUG FOR A VERY CLOSE FRIEND: An excellent masseuse, Mary Louise Benck, is planning on setting up at the finish line on Monday and Tuesday, weather permitting -- she is outstanding; very strong and knowledgable healing hands. Won't give her age, but she recently attended her 40th reunion -- she is all business, with an wonderful personality to match. She is bringing both her table and a massage chair which is convenient for shorter massages that work primarily the back, arms, neck and shoulders. She will give 15 min, 30 min, and 1 hour massages. Norm Thomas <nthomas90252@aol.com> - Saturday, June 07, 2003 at 22:31:49 (CDT) I had 6 inches of rain at my house in san marcos this week. I believe that we had something close to 80 mph winds. My insurance co. came out today and they are going to buy me a new roof and pay to cleanup the 3.5' diam. live oak that fell 6" from my racing canoe and brushed up against my workshop. The river came up pretty good in San Marcos for a little while. It should boost the river and aquifer enough to be at least as good as the 2001 level. The upcoming week should be interesting, if anything like the last. tom pope <tpope@co.hays.tx.us> - Saturday, June 07, 2003 at 01:02:45 (CDT) TO ALL TC'S AND SPECTATORS : If while watching boats go by the early low bridges ( Westerfield, Sculls etc.) and a vehicle is approaching, PLEASE NICELY try to encourage the drivers to hold up until they pass under. ( Offer a beer or nice cleavage shot(not you Russ!). I may be a fraidy cat on this but these are old bridges, will be loaded with people already,and being made into a concrete and F-350 sandwich adds to my pucker factor considerably. Undoubtably " fred" will have an anonymous derogatory opinion on this since having never been squashed in such a manner I am unqualified to speak. RUSS: ten inches should be no problem if the diameter is but 1/4 inch! But he does say it is quite resistive to stretch. M P Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Friday, June 06, 2003 at 17:53:25 (CDT) WEST: As to what length I want, I have wished all my life I had ten inches, but I gave up on that years ago. ANOTHER GEARLIST: For those who prefer WORD or might not be able to store EXCEL, I have word document created with tables and categories (some of it's overkill but I like to be thorough) David: Give me a call and tell me how to attach it here. RAINFALL AND WIND: A buddy of mine in San Mucous said they had 90 MPH winds before today and many trees down and about 3 inches of rain in some parts, but he was staring at the San Marcos (sounded like before the confluence with the Blanco) and it didn't look muddy or high. The rain that looked like it would hit this morning tailed out south of Austin. Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Friday, June 06, 2003 at 14:37:51 (CDT) West, instead of selling all that kevlar cord perhaps you should save it for your repair kit. 2300 feet ought to be enough to get you to 90A anyway. Just wrap the ends of that skiny-ass kanu like Thor Heyrdahl's reed boat Ra and you might make the banquet. And watch out for the munchkins. Glinda <goodfairy@oz.com> - Friday, June 06, 2003 at 12:04:17 (CDT) Robert, thanks for the converted inventory form. Imagine, a viable contribution from a Safari novice (of which I am one) - just kidding. Thanks to the civil, innovative and identified contributors to this forum. Congratulations on all your hard training and good luck in Safari. Lifes - 1. Completions - 0. Dave Bartell <dbart@lcc.net> - Friday, June 06, 2003 at 10:43:43 (CDT) Robert, thanks for converting the Check in List to Excel spreadsheet format. I just wanted to let everyone know that the PDF (which probably wouldn't float) check in form that I put on the Texas Water Safari site can be filled out online...you don't have to fill it on your computer (you don't have to chicken scratch your way through it). However, Robert's form will allow you to save it to excel format for re-use next year. I'll update the TWS PDF form so that it's easier to save, so you can use it next year. Robbie Cooper <scoop@austin.rr.com> - Friday, June 06, 2003 at 09:09:51 (CDT)
Robert <flawseeker@hotmail.com> - Friday, June 06, 2003 at 08:10:07 (CDT) I've been getting a lot of calls and e-mail for the kevcord. I'll bring pre-cut lengths to check-in. Just call me and tell me what length(s) you want. I'll be at boat number 7, tandem unlimited. Hunt me down and I'll have your order. Remember, it's best to have a razor blade to cut this cord. It's made of kevlar and needs a really sharp blade for a clean cut. Also, if you want to route this through plastic tubing, you need to use 3/8" I.D. tubing for easy sliding. --West West Hansen <hansen@grandecom.net> - Thursday, June 05, 2003 at 22:33:53 (CDT) If there are any other novices reading this...Last weekend my son and I rolled under the Martindale low-water crossing. The relaxing float 15 yd down stream got real exciting for me when my left sandal hooked a limb. I was very glad to have Silver Bullet at my side to keep my head up. Finally the strap broke and I was free! No more sandals for me on the upper section. We plan on using old tennis shoes with velcro added. Thanks for the tip vets. Roger Nelson <forgiven4ever@sbc.global.net> - Thursday, June 05, 2003 at 22:30:42 (CDT) HEY JOHN, I MAY HAVE POKED A LITTLE FUN AT U IN THE PAST, BUT ONE THING I ALWAYS RESPECT IS A PERSON WHO TRY'S/ HANGS IT OUT THERE FOR ALL TO SEE. IF U MAKE IT THIS YEAR, GREAT, IF U DON'T I HAVE A FUNNY FEELING U WILL BE THERE NIXT YR..HEY BSARTEL! URE JUST A YOUNG PUNK, AND I AIN'T WORRIED BOUT U.(DAWG) COME 'ON PEOPLE! FOCUS, SO TESE IDIOTWS (WANNA BE'S)CAN'T BOTHER U. IT'S BETTER TO HAVE TRIED AND FAIED, THAN TO NEVER HAVE TRIED AT ALL. GOOD LUCK TO ALL. Richard Miller <richetel@yahoo.com> - Thursday, June 05, 2003 at 18:05:28 (CDT) RICHARD! "JAKE LEG" IS JUST ANOTHER COWARD TAKING CHEAPSHOTS WITHOUT THE COURAGE TO IDENTIFY HIMSELF. AN ILLITERATE COWARD: WE BORED THE COMMUNITY A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WITH A DISCUSSION OF MY SAFARI RECORD WHICH I DESCRIBED AS "LOUSY." IT'S CLEAR JL CAN'T PADDLE, ELSE HE WOULD IDENTIFY HIMSELF SO WE CAN CALL HIM OUT ON THE RIVER. NO CHANCE HE COULD STAND UP TO BARTELL, OR ME: WE KNOW THE FEW WHO CAN BEAT BARTELL, AND THE SCORE WHO CAN BEAT ME. THESE ARE NOT PEOPLE WHO SIT AROUND FRETTING ABOUT OLD STOCKWELL'S FAILINGS. BUT, FOR FUN, MIKE'S "MY MAN!" "ANY SANDBAR, ANY TIME!!" yA'LL HAVE A GOOD SAFARI. RICHARD FEEL FREE TO YELL AT ME IF YOU THINK I NEED IT...10 DAYS!!!!!!!!!! Omar <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Thursday, June 05, 2003 at 16:37:32 (CDT) TWS is featuring in the paddling section of "Suffering Solo" - article in a new Adventure Sports magazine with a picture of James Quinn contemplating in the middle of Cottonseed Rapid (my shot from TWS 2001). I just got copy of the magazine. Marek <uliasz@frii.com> - Thursday, June 05, 2003 at 16:31:34 (CDT) HEY STOCKWELL AND BARTEL!!! DONT LET THAT JAKE LEG BOTHER U GUYS. THE BIG DANCE STARTS ON THE 14TH. HE CAN DANCE WITH YA'LL THEN. REMEMBER "IT DONT MEAN NOTHIN!" THE NO COUNT JAKE LEG (THAT WAS GOOD MIKE!)DOESNT HAVE THE GUTS TO PUT HIS NAME ON HIS POSTING. WHAT A WHIMP. I MAY CATCH HELL SOMETIMES FOR SOME OF MY REMARKS, BUT THERE IS NEVER A DOUBT WHO POSTED IT. HEY JOHN! MY MONEY IS ON U TO FINISH THIS YEAR. DAVE, RUN URE OWN RACE AND U WILL DO WELL. GOOD LUCK TO ALL. EVEN TO U JAKE LEG. RICHARD OUT. RICHARD MILLER <richetel@yahoo.com> - Thursday, June 05, 2003 at 12:10:52 (CDT) The good news for high water lovers (of which I am one) is that there is a big line of thundershowers over the entire upper watershed this morning. Heaviest rains have moved out of Blanco and Comal counties and are now covering Hays, moving into Caldwell, and headed south. Looks like the entire watershed will get a minimum of 1/2 to 1 inch today and maybe a lot more if the atmosphere stays unstable this afternoon and tomorrow. The bad news is that I understand the deadline has passed for abandoning my team captain responsibilities and entering myself. I figure that solo, with really high water, I could lie in the bottom of the boat like a beached whale, just drifting with the current, and make it in by the banquet. Nahhh. I'd probably wrap. Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Thursday, June 05, 2003 at 09:46:27 (CDT) If anybody is going to shoot video clips with a digital camera during the safari, I can try to do some editing work, combine with my shots, and prepare a short movie for the website. See examples of my paddling video clips including last eyar safari. I hope that Pat Gunn-Spencer will produce her video this year. Marek <uliasz@frii.com> - Thursday, June 05, 2003 at 09:40:08 (CDT) Jeremy: If you have any trouble finding Woodrow, I should have a seal-a-meal as well at checkin. You can find me by locating an aluminum boat with the number 111 standing next to two clueless looking individuals holding their bent-shaft paddles backwards. Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Thursday, June 05, 2003 at 08:02:21 (CDT) We don't give a rat's rear end what goodpaddle does or doesn't do but my partner and I would like to know who are all of these "national level" paddlers are that he is always writing about. Don't keep the good stuff to yourself. Please share goodpaddle. Curious <Tivoli@satwaterbarrierdam.com> - Thursday, June 05, 2003 at 00:39:59 (CDT) Fred: You anonymous jake-leg back biters are becoming quite boring. Any gravel bar, any time. Michael Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Thursday, June 05, 2003 at 00:33:34 (CDT) RUSS: Those shards of latin are remnants of some Don Rickles schtick " Don't let the bastards grind you down" and it was swinging bridge. Michael Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Wednesday, June 04, 2003 at 22:55:44 (CDT) For Sale: 1/8" thick Kevcord. This cord is not manufactured any longer. I found 2300 feet of it and am selling it for .75 per foot. It makes incredible rudder line since it has no stretch AT ALL and can be tied with a knot instead of dealing with metal cables. Great for a spare, since you can fix it by tying it on and do it in the dark. E-mail me or call me at 512-217-7320. --West West Hansen <hansen@grandecom.net> - Wednesday, June 04, 2003 at 22:31:42 (CDT) TO FOLKS READING DESCRIPTIONS OF RIVER CONDITIONS: I know most of you know this, and don't mean to be a preachy old fart, but recent rains over both watersheds and predicted rainfall possibilities over the next few days should cause you to interpret your training experiences so far (as well as the descriptions of others) as subject to change. Some have said that high winds on the upper (and maybe lower) river may well have caused additional trees to fall in. If we get a LOT of rain, don't depend on anything being the same. I have no doubt that many top paddlers will do some scouting after this weekend and officials will have them share much of it at the briefing. I can't stress strongly enough how valuable listening carefully to that can be. ROBBIE: That is absolutely excellent work getting the list out in that format so quickly. Teams can save so much time at checkin having it filled out in advance. However, I can't pass up noting that line 3 shows you up for the computer fanatic you obviously are: "USCG approved personal flotation device (PDF)." MICHAEL: Stick to English my friend. By the way, I'm sure you know the story of your brother and his partner (one time only, I'm sure) at either Victoria City Park or Swinging Bridge in '87. My team captain's daughter overheard the argument and asked her mother: "What does he mean by 'Double F%$& you?'" Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Wednesday, June 04, 2003 at 20:51:38 (CDT) They don't need to post for your pleasure FRED. Why not come out of the closet and challenge Stockwell and Bartel to a one-on-one if you have a beef? You afraid they might whup your puppy hind-end? About the 0-4 and 0-1. These fellows have the guts to put it on the line while taking massive abuse from a group of "elitist" paddlers that do nothing for the paddling community but give off bad vibs and even worse advice. Dread <DreadFred@lookinthemirror.com> - Wednesday, June 04, 2003 at 20:25:25 (CDT) Why didn't Stockwell and Bartell put the fact that they are O for Four and 0 for 1? Fred <fred@wussestrimtrees.com> - Wednesday, June 04, 2003 at 18:32:59 (CDT) Son of Ottine is still run able for all boats just pick your spot wisely... Center seems to work best for me but back end hits a little. On the Spray Skirt on a tin boat is not really need in 'most' bay conditions, we watched a number of tin boats finish last year (pretty rough) with out one but they had a bailer going the whole way, just thank God you have a high profile unlike the unlimiteds. Mark - Wednesday, June 04, 2003 at 18:02:19 (CDT) Marek: Ran Palmetto-Gonzales two weeks ago. Don't know how others classify "runnable" but first obstacle was tree across entire river, drag over left, but it may be cut away as some beer drinking "river fairies" were almost done with it. Two other log jams with easy portages left. Last log jam runnable just right of center, just requires a little extra paddle power to get through. Chris <Rightmind7@aol.com> - Wednesday, June 04, 2003 at 17:35:42 (CDT) Regarding sprayskirt. You can make one pretty easy with the blue tarps available anywhere. They are not the prettiest or the best. We used one last year. You will need to install the snaps on the boat, then cut the tarp in the shape you want, install the female snaps on the tarp. Cut holes for your bodies in the cover over the seats, you will need to sew on body skirts to tie around yourself. It took us about 3-4 hours. Regarding son of Ottine. We ran it 2 weeks ago in our c-2 and rubbed a little, but I would not have run it in the c-2 last sunday the 1st, but I did run it in a big plastic kayak. Looks like an easy portage on the left, but don't get sucked into the Millrace. We've had 3 inches of rain this week in San Marcos with more predicted, so it may get better. Tom Pope <tom_r_p@lycos.com> - Wednesday, June 04, 2003 at 12:30:36 (CDT) We will be leaving Colorado probably on Sunday and will arrive to San Marcos on Monday or Tuesday. I will try to run Palmetto-Gonzales and at least San Marcos-Stapples before the race. Are there any new and interesting obstacles this year on the San Marcos River? If I remember correctly, during last year safari, there was only one log jam below Palmetto. I don't count dragging the boat over or around a single tree as a logjam. What is the status of the Son of Ottine? Last year it wasn't runnable. Marek <uliasz@frii.com> - Wednesday, June 04, 2003 at 09:42:43 (CDT) Matt, Regarding spray skirt. I just have one safari under my belt but it was in an aluminum. Last year the bay was pretty rough and the skirt was very nice. They are not cheap however and if you choose not to have one, I would at least take some plastic of some sort along with duct tape. Who knows, we might get lucky and have a bay like we had on the 17th. Not! Asleep at the Keel 535 scott johnson <johnson_scott@ci.san-marcos.tx.us> - Wednesday, June 04, 2003 at 09:00:23 (CDT) Its probably too late to get a spray skirt, unless the bay is real bad you will not need it, have your buddy get a bilge pump installed and bring some clorox jugs for bailers, you should do fine. mike stinson <stinsonmike@hotmail.com> - Wednesday, June 04, 2003 at 08:46:51 (CDT) If the bay is nasty you will need a skirt or you will be doing one of two things: 1 - swimming 2 - sitting on the bank watching others paddle to the finish Why would you put 250 miles of paddling in jeopardy by not taking a spray skirt? Advice <SpraySkirt@duhhh.net> - Wednesday, June 04, 2003 at 08:21:34 (CDT) ABOUT THE GARS. I like the big fellas. Nothing wakes ya up like hitting one of those monsters sleeping on the surface with your paddle. You get a great shower and an adrenalin rush that lasts just long enough to make it to the next gar. Its those damn nocturnal elephants and giant clowns that really scare me. To all the paddlers, Hammer on and I'll see you at the Hocheim checkpoint because i am grounded this year. -Lynchburg rangers- Ole number 7 John Ledbetter <Johnmoretime@yahoo.com> - Wednesday, June 04, 2003 at 08:17:57 (CDT) Thanks for putting up the equiptment list...had a question for vet racers, on a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being absolutely necessary, what would you rank a spray skirt (given you are paddling an aluminum canoe). My buddy has decided he doesn't need one, but would like your advice. Thanks. Matt Watson <watsonjm@tamu.edu> - Tuesday, June 03, 2003 at 23:40:36 (CDT) RE: TWS Checklist Since many of you have asked about a check list, we have put the official TWS check list online. It's a PDF that you can fill out online, print, and bring with you to check in. After you fill it out, click File-->Save As from the main menu. Save the file somewhere on your computer. When next year rolls around, you can simply use the same list (add or delete items as necessary). Check www.texaswatersafari.org, and look under the Tools section for the TWS Equip. Checklist. Robbie Cooper <scoop@austin.rr.com> - Tuesday, June 03, 2003 at 21:53:19 (CDT) Jeremy, I have a vacum sealer w/ bags. I should be there @1300hrs fri. I'll have the white Subaru Forester w/ the yellow Prijon Barracuda on top. woodrow <hellbentcelt2@aol.com> - Tuesday, June 03, 2003 at 21:45:40 (CDT) Thanks, Jeff. Makes sense. I'll try again Todd <tterrell@hsc.usf.edu> - Tuesday, June 03, 2003 at 20:34:10 (CDT) I think the service he uses is adelphia. His address doesn't show the "e". Give it another try. Jeff <jj@visualcnc.com> - Tuesday, June 03, 2003 at 20:11:35 (CDT) Tried to send an email to Phil Gumbert re solo boat for sale. Got kicked back undeliverable. Please shoot me an email if the boat is still available. Thanks Todd <tterrell@hsc.usf.edu> - Tuesday, June 03, 2003 at 19:49:27 (CDT) Does any one have a "seal-a-meal" device that they can bring to check in next friday? Jeremy <bdanson@austin.rrrr.commmm> - Tuesday, June 03, 2003 at 17:38:01 (CDT) RE Mike Splash Gordon : They don't drop in on this board much, but the gents you mentioned are my younger faster brother Mark and his pard Pat. As a fellow soloist I feel your pain...I would have mangled my boat several times over in the past two years had it not been of the decked Bugge/ Daniel design. Your assessment is correct...they are most ready. So ready in fact that Mark has used his accumulated air miles to treat himself and Pat to a week in St. Barts rather than more dreary practice. You may send a case of Dos Equis spec lager to them there. ...Uncle Russ... Some of my Latin escapes me but the ditty ending in "illigitimi carborundum " can probably be appreciated . ...To the novice with the missing boat dream...last year was my first race, and so with this "seasoning " my boat is only missing its rudder on race day... and it keeps entering a long tunnel... Michael Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Tuesday, June 03, 2003 at 12:21:51 (CDT) 4-sale pre-spencer xstream single. spray skrit,food bags,2 sets of lights,2 styles of rudders. Has three safari finishes. $450.00 Phil Gumbert <mjsi@adlphia.net> - Tuesday, June 03, 2003 at 09:07:57 (CDT) CHECKIN LIST: I just talked with Spelce and he confirms that anything turned in at checkin with the required information on it will be acceptable. So if you want to prepare your list the day before, I would take it to checkin, put your boat number on each page, and attach it to the checkin sheet with all the required information, and write: "See Attached." on the body of the list. CELL PHONES: In the past, it is my understanding that, in addition to permanently sealing the phone, you had to remove the battery. That is no longer required. However, you do have to seal the phone or other transceiver in a a bag that is not resealable. That pretty much means a seal-a-meal or it's equivalent. Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Tuesday, June 03, 2003 at 09:05:37 (CDT) HOGELBARTH: you may well be right about caffedrine, but I got 468 hits on Google and do not find any reference to it's having been banned. As to "where for," the term is actually "wherefore" meaning "why" or "for what reason" as in "Wherefore am I wasting my time on this billboard?" Admittedly, the term is somewhat antiquated as, some would say am I. You are obviously familiar with the now most famous literary occurrence of this word when Shakespeare's Juliet cries out "Wherefore art thou Romeo?" (meaning of course, WHY did you have to be born into a family that is a bitter enemy of my own?" I would suspect that you and most of your generation would have been more comfortable with something along the lines of "Yo! Romeo. Get outta my face!" Oh well. As they will soon say again: "Sic transit gloria mundi." MATT WATSON: The checkin sheets are provided at checkin. I am going to recommend to the board that next year these be made available online so that folks can start their lists early. Probably the officials would accept a typed or handwritten list as long as it has your team names, team captain, boat number, and class written clearly at the top and your boat number on each page. But you might find an official who has to have it on the right form. (you have to remember that two of the race board are state employees.) DAVID: Yes, I did say "thence," used in it's primary meaning of "...from that place." An explanation to others: I have always tried to use one-sylable words with David wherever possible, but even many of those often prove to be just too damned hard. No doubt by the time his twins (and my beloved grandchildren,) have entered high school, young people will be provided electronic devices that will translate their speech into something I will understand. But I doubt it. Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Tuesday, June 03, 2003 at 07:56:14 (CDT) Russ is showing his age again: "Thence" this and "where for art thou" that. Caffedrine was FDA-banned years ago old fellow. Hogelbarth <Hogelbarth@fact_checker.com> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 23:49:53 (CDT) Anyone happen to know if Robert Palmer is still making RGP paddles ? Does he still have a website ? Thanks in advance. I want to thank the two gents that help me peel my Xtreme off the tree this past weekend upstream of Palmeto. Darn glad you guys were there! Boats at Spensers now getting the busted bulk head , 18" crack and several shorter cracks fixed.....bottom line..Bless ya'll!! My boat should be patched and ready for race day! Looks like ya'll are ready for the Safari...ya'll easily chased me down and once ya'll got me out of trouble ya'll were off . Wished I could have thanked ya personally. Please send me your names...I want to buy you each a Cold one!...no a case of Cold ones! Cheers to You! Splash Man Mike Gordon (Splash Man) <mgordon2@austin.rr.com> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 22:04:55 (CDT)  ya better be slatherin on that gar repellent- ya never know when one of these monsters is gonna attack your bow light in hallucination alley. click pic for BIGun........ bogeyman <thingsthatgobumpinthedark.org> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 21:14:49 (CDT) What's the deal with the equiptment list...is there a form somewhere or do I just write down what is going in the boat? Do I need to document, for example, the number of power bars? Matt Watson <watsonjm@tamu.edu> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 21:07:56 (CDT) Did Uncle Russ really use the word "thence"? David Roberts <webmaster@rivermadness.net> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 20:38:01 (CDT) Found 1 pair dark green shorts at Staples Sunday afternoon. To set up return mail me Gary R <grobwbs@txucom.net> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 20:32:56 (CDT) Question about cell phones? I want to take it on the race for emergency use but am not sure how to seal it in a non-resealable bag. Any suggestions. Jeremy <bdanson@austin.rrrr.commmm> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 19:03:24 (CDT) Re: Checkin: I am NOT a race official this year and will bow to Robert or any member of the board in case things have changed. That said, a little advice for checkin: (1) Get there early enough that you can have an official check your list and be ready for the race briefing. It is very important for relative newcomers to listen to the briefing as you can (a) buff up on the rules, and (b) pick up on recent developments relating to the race course. Also, it is nice not to have to do any rigging after the briefing but to go back to your hotel relaxed. (2) Think of the checkin as an opportunity to have someone double check to make sure you have everything there. If you have forgotten something, you don't absolutely have to show it to the judge. YOU MUST, HOWEVER, BE CERTAIN IT IS ON YOUR LIST. That is the main thing. Be certain that everything you have in the boat is on your list. Otherwise, an inspection may result in disqualification. If you show up on Saturday morning and have suddenly remembered to bring your patented rectal tree-branch-extractor with you, write your boat number down on a piece of paper together with the new gear/food/whatchamaycallit, and present it to an official for filing with your list. (3) The poster is correct about food being left in the boat. If you have used a sealameal and used it well, fire ants may get in your boat and may have to be washed out, but won't eat the plastic. Racooons and possums are a different matter and there is no way the folks guarding the boat can ensure they won't chow down on your super dooper pooper scooper drink mix or overdose on your caffedrine. On the other hand, I have glued my food onto the side of the boat the night before and never had a problem. Re: the rain: It looks on radar as if the heaviest of the rain went right down both watersheds (didn't look like it hit Kerville, but I could be wrong.) But the rest of the Guad and all of the San Marcos/Blanco, from above Wimberly on down. Thence through Caldwell and Gonzales where it became a little more disorganized and now (6:42 p.m.) it looks to be getting stronger over Dewitt County near Hochheim and Cuero and it looks destined to hit Victoria and on to the coast. There is good news and bad news for the rain worshippers: it was very intense with what appears to have been heavy rain, but it was moving extremely fast. Cheers. Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 18:45:50 (CDT) For those out of the area, there is a wonderful Baddie moving right up our favoriate rivers' watersheds. & water isn't that low, near the top of the lwb at Palmetto. Times were good in Sunday's Unlimited race. omar <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 17:23:51 (CDT) Someone out there must have a close connection with God. Thanks for the rain. It should help maintain river levels... MIKE C <CLARK0612@JUNO.COM> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 16:15:24 (CDT) Dave, Aquarena Springs will have SWT Officers to watch everyones stuff on Friday night. I wouldn't however leave my food inside my boat unless your into critter buffets. scott johnson <johnson_scott@ci.san-marcos.tx.us> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 15:28:20 (CDT) David I just wanted to give you some advice about check in on Friday from a novice standpoint. Last year was my first race. Take any advice the official will give you while you are going through your checklist with him or her. Last year my partner and I tried to bring everything but the kitchen sink. I am sure we were humorous to the official as he most politely tried to tell us we had way too much stuff. I realized his point about a 100 miles into the race. This year we are going much lighter. I would not worry about the check in process it is pretty relaxed. We got there at lunchtime last year and that was plenty of time to check in everything. If you can take the whole day off, it is pretty cool to hang out and chat with other racers and check out their set-ups. You can leave your boat and all your gear at the Pavilion; it will be safe over night. tim <twentrcek@dfwairport.com> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 14:09:53 (CDT) CHECK-IN? As a first timer I'm curious how the check-in works. Beside showing up with boat and gear on Friday, anything else we need to know. How long does it take (i.e. should I take all of Friday off of work or just half the day considering we live in Austin)? Is a place provided to leave the boat and gear overnight or do we pack it back up and take it with us? What if Friday night we wake to a panick and realize os S*&@# we forgot to add our paddles (or other inportant piece of equipment) to the list? Can anybody provide insight on this? On a side note, the other day I had a dream that right before the race our boat was stolen and we had to stand there and watch the start from the shore. That's just one of many Safari related dreams I haved recently. Can you say ANXIETY. I assume this is normal since my partner reports having similar dreams. - David Clark (0/0) David Clark <dclark18_REMOVE_THIS_TO_EMAIL@austin.rr.com> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 13:48:27 (CDT) Anne & Julie (the Anne and Julie who drove my partner and cracked boat from Fentress to Luling last Saturday) -- We stole your Kokatat vest. Sorry. Send me an email and I'll arrange to get it back to you. Jason Cade <jcade@tlu.edu> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 13:17:50 (CDT) 273 hours until start time tim <twentrcek@dfwairport.com> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 12:43:18 (CDT) Mike, I definitely fall into the novice category...I don't remember any real problems between city park and fentress...most problems I had were prairie lea 2 to luling 90...we ran into quite a few problems with the sweepers (much less this time than two weeks ago), and I dont remember a single jam that we protaged...we're running an aluminum boat and found our way through all the jams, though it would probably be easier on some to just portage. Matt Watson <watsonjm@tamu.edu> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 12:09:45 (CDT) Matt, I'm getting mixed reports between luling and palmetto. The more experienced racers say besides the normal strainers, there are two "minor" obstacles, a tree down and a small jam with an easy portage. The less experienced racers say 4 jams. No GPS data on any of these. If you want to sleep while you paddle, Gonzo 90 to the dam would be a good spot, just make sure your partner stays awake before the dam. City park to luling is open with normal strainers and only one log across the river just below the erosion control barriers, easy portage on left. mike stinson <stinsonmike@hotmail.com> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 11:47:06 (CDT) FOR SALE - a pair(2) 49¾" 18oz. Werner- bent shaft, fiberglass canoe paddles - Very Strong! in VeryGood condition (some little nicks in the edge of one of the blades) click on thumbnail for a larger photo $140 for the pair only (you have to buy both) ($110 each when new) paddles are in Houston. 
CaptJack <captjack@ev1.net> - Sunday, June 01, 2003 at 17:17:41 (CDT) We ran city park to luling 90 this weekend...same jams as we caught two weeks, no one has done much trimming. To Tom Goynes and the two other boats that passed us on a gravel bar halfway to fentress...we were pretty amazed...three of the four of us haven't seen real marathon canoe racing before, and you guys dropped our jaws. Does the river become less log-jammed below luling? My partner and I are wondering at what point in the river could one person sleep while the other paddles? Also, does anyone know a store in or around B/CS that sells ZRE paddles? Thanks Matt <watsonjm@tamu.edu> - Sunday, June 01, 2003 at 12:04:08 (CDT) I am using 216 cm paddle in my Spencer X-treme. A shorter paddle is easier on your shoulders in a long distance paddling. Marek <uliasz@frii.com> - Saturday, May 31, 2003 at 22:38:07 (CDT) Quick question for the solo paddlers: What length of paddle do you guys recomend. I know that it is alitle late in the game for this but I'm still debating on a paddle length for the TWS. I've been training with a 230 cm paddle and I recently bought a 220 which I used in the prelim. It worked OK but I noticed during the race that I was taking aleast two strokes to everyone of the racers around me. I realize that there are alot of variables but I'm trying to get a rough idea as to which direction to go. I'm guessing that a longer paddle would work better in the TWS but I'd like to get confirmation before I buy another one. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated... James Sutherland <JSUTHERLAND@DOW.COM> - Saturday, May 31, 2003 at 21:08:29 (CDT) RICHARD: REMEMBER LAST YEAR I CAUGHT A GAR IN MY LAP, FINALLY GOT IT DOWN TO THE FLOOR WHERE I KEPT MY FEET ON IT TO PREVENT IT FROM FINNING OR BITING ME WITH SANDLES ON, JUST BELOW NURSERY RIGHT AFTER WE PASSED YOU GUYS SLEEPING. IT DID NOT DIE FOR ABOUT 40 MINUTES WHEN WE FINALLY BROUGHT IT INTO VICTORIA. I WAS SO OUT OF IT THAT I FORGOT TO GIVE IT TO MY DAD FOR A LATE NIGHT DINNER. IT DOES TAKE A WHILE FOR A GAR TO DIE OUT OF THE WATER UNDER YOUR FEET. SCARED THE CRAP OUT OF ME WHEN IT LANDED ON MY LAP THOUGH. CHRIS Chris "Huff & Puff" <agiedc@itouch.net> - Friday, May 30, 2003 at 22:56:00 (CDT) HEY HUFF AND PUFF THE ONLY THING I EVER CAUGHT IN THE SAFARI, WAS A GAR IN MY LAP. MORE THAN ONCE. RICHARD MILLER <richetel@yahoo.com> - Friday, May 30, 2003 at 21:04:36 (CDT) Regarding the races this weekend: What time do they start? What section of river will Sundays race cover? gaston jones <gvj4@hotmail.com> - Friday, May 30, 2003 at 13:17:35 (CDT) DAMN, I DID'NT CATCH ONE DAMN CATFISH DURING THE WHOLE DAMN TRIP Chris Huff & Puff III <agiedc@itouch.net> - Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 22:23:15 (CDT) Reference: the road to the S.W. Barrier Linda mentioned: This road has a gravel portion with a center that is no problem for most cars and all trucks. If you happen to have a very small compact car, you could high center and may need to put your wheel on that center occasionally if you want to keep your oil pan. Same thing with regard to the road to the wooden bridge. Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 21:03:21 (CDT) The saltwater barrier will be the official checkpoint in the Texas Water Safari this year instead of the Tivoli Bridge. Maps to the saltwater barrier will be in all team packets and official packets. They will also be available at checkin on Friday, June 13. See ya'll there! Linda Cochran <lcochran@austin.rr.com> - Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 18:47:15 (CDT) Freddy don't surf! Lieutenant Colonel Bill Kilgore <AirCav@AN.com> - Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 17:25:32 (CDT) JUST A THOUGHT IF U FINISH THE SAFARI AND THE FIRST WORDS OUT OF URE MOUTH ARE,"DAMN, I DID'NT CATCH ONE DAMN CATFISH DURING THE WHOLE DAMN TRIP"...... YOU'RE PROBABLY A REDNECK. RICHARD MILLER <richetel@yahoo.com> - Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 15:39:03 (CDT) they're coming? With an outrigger? How come Freddy don't have a fan club and he's won 12 times? kamoofazoo <drudge@retort.com> - Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 14:52:24 (CDT) ANOTHER SAFARI THOUGHT: "God my butt hurts" -- "Anonymous (somewhere near Nusery) For all safari paddlers, in need of some "safari reality" the TCRA is putting on the state unlimited Championships this weekend. All classes raced in the safari are welcome. It will be an Ideal opportunity to test out your team and team captain plus gain more experience with other boats racing around you. The section being raced on is Staples to Palmetto and 90 to Palmetto on sunday. This will also be an excellent opportunity to work out how fast you are likely to run the safari and also test out boat and equipment in real race conditions before its too late. More details are on the TCRA website. Colin Colin & Julie Morgan-Grimshaw <cagandjepm@earthlink.net> - Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 09:18:26 (CDT) INTERESTING: 14-day forecast has a cool front mid-week before Safari... 84 degrees high on the 12th. Have to wait a coupla days to see what they predict for the 14th... then 2 weeks to see if they are right. Omar <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 08:53:01 (CDT) A SAFARI THOUGHT: "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat."--Theodore Roosevelt Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Wednesday, May 28, 2003 at 20:18:46 (CDT) ..heard they're coming...  reporter <who-dat?@news.com> - Wednesday, May 28, 2003 at 14:27:27 (CDT) My Dad and Brother are making a run on the upper river this weekend. I would like to run it with them only my partner won't be able to make it. I need another women to paddle down the river with me. We can use the C2 or aluminum, I can paddle either position; your choise. Holly Nelson <Txblueplaid@juno.com> - Wednesday, May 28, 2003 at 12:47:06 (CDT) Random Ramblings: Marek: thanks for pointing us to that article on Erin -- it was great; if any of you have not read it, please don't deprive yourself --- To all who post on river conditions: Thanks; as one who will get very little, if any, river time before the Safari (a new adventure around every bend) it helps us, who are no threat to the front runners, but still love the race --- And speaking of front runners, To all you honest to God, hard charging, outstanding paddlers who unselfishly share on the billboard (you know who you are): Thanks. Thanks, again. To Linda and crew who put this on every year: BIG THANKS (and a hug, too) -- To anybody getting all worked up over how you're going to do: you'll do fine; I am planning on winning the over fifty, balding but still thinks he's a big hunk of sexy, could stand to lose 20, okay 30 lbs, plastic sit on top, solo category. I'll take all comers. And finally, if you're inclined to take this little adventure too seriously: I'm heading up to San Antonio in a bit to BAMC to visit with a 23 year old Ranger who lost his sight in Iraq -- great kid/man, great family -- please remember them in your prayers (Feldbusch). Thanks. Norm Thomas <nthomas90252@aol.com> - Wednesday, May 28, 2003 at 09:23:37 (CDT) Jeremy, published earlier this season (and other seasons): the low-energy way past Cuero Dam is to go around it. Slide yr boat down into the sump. Paddle around. Drag it back to the water. (Disregard the rumors about a 30-foot anaconda in the sump that feeds on the ranchers cows. It has not been sited in recent years, and there is no record of any Safari paddlers disappearing at C.D.) Omar <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Wednesday, May 28, 2003 at 08:00:02 (CDT) Some old math... 270,000 paddle strokes to make the banquet. 33+ tons more lifting if yr paddle weighs 5 ounces more. Give or take a few thousand strokes, a few tons. Omar <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Wednesday, May 28, 2003 at 07:55:54 (CDT) The Mississippi River Challenge should end today. 18 days, lowering the record from 23+ days. omar <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Wednesday, May 28, 2003 at 07:54:05 (CDT) MR-11 Bulbs available at Breed Hardware. Lee deviney <txpaddler@aol.com> - Wednesday, May 28, 2003 at 00:12:37 (CDT) Russ: there is hope. Lose weight with Jenny Craig - It works! Personalized and flexible weight loss programs to meet your diet and fitness needs. ... Join Jenny Craig today! ... http://www.jennycraig.com Lee Deviney <txpaddler@aol.com> - Wednesday, May 28, 2003 at 00:11:34 (CDT) Robert, Thank you for your reply. This may not be the format of choice, but here only one person can speak at a time ! This race is about the competitors and the river, but we owe all officials our gratitude for their service. Michael Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 22:14:04 (CDT) "No slack, No Mercy, No looking Back" - a good article in HULL Speed: http://www.hullspeed.net/journal/feature_story_v2_i3.html Marek <uliasz@frii.com> - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 21:52:00 (CDT) Anybody have a good source for MR-11 bulbs in the Austin area? David Clark <MR-11 bulbs> - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 18:50:12 (CDT) Well put, Robert. Couldn't have said it better if I'd thought it up myself. One question: The year you yelled up at your team captain that you would whip his ass if he cleaned your water jug with bleach again: had you actually gotten out and whipped his ass, thereby encouraging him not to put bleach in your jug again, would that touching have constituted giving yourself assistance? Hmmmm. Lee: As I said, Beavers are faster given comparable personnel. Damn! there I go again. Mr. Simmons: No doubt you are already accomplished enough to have whipped my sorry butt on my best day out. And you don't need to be accomplished to merit flak. John Mark, Polecat, and John Dupont came in for their fair share.--Uncle Russ Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 18:37:11 (CDT) As Head Race Judge in this years TWS I would not typically address guestions in this format. I am planning to give ample time for questions at the pre-race briefing. But in an effort to keep the pre-race briefing "brief", I will address this concern. M Simmons Stated: I understand someone might be inclined to give their team a long "handshake " up the bank around a long portage, but that would constitute assistance. **** Will a current race official comment on this as the rules are currently written. **** There is no specific rule that says no hugging or kissing. Below is the rule often sited regarding these actions. Rule 9. Teams shall not receive help or assistance of any kind (except verbal) during the Safari. In the past, to eliminate confusion regarding what is assistance, the "no touch" idea came about. I discussed this with the board and a simple kiss or hug will not result in a penalty. If the someone were to help you out of your boat to give you a hug, that would be considered assistance and if protested would probably result in a penalty. When possible please avoid actions that could be confused as breaking the rules. Our roal as officials is to inforce the rules, but our goal as officials is to get as many people to the finish line as possible without allowing a team an unfair competitive advantage. Good luck with your race. Robert Youens Robert Youens <txsnapper@aol.com> - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 16:16:12 (CDT) Yo Uncle Russ : As Tricky Dick also said "You will not know the joy of standing on the highest mountain top unless you have felt the depths of the deepest valley." In the present World climate, how seriously should we take ourselves on a CANOEING bulletin board. I thought your "no name dope" was classic comedy - of course it's always funnier when directed at someone else.I hope to become an accomplished enough racer to one day merit some of your flak. If you see 889 during the race introduce yourself - I'll give you a hearty handshake. Besides , you have not really made the big time until Bob (BOFH) squelches your post . M P Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 15:58:55 (CDT) JEREMY WHAT I MEANT TO SAY IS, THERE HAS BEEN A LADDER AT THE CUERO DAM DURING THE RACE FOR THE LAST FEW YRS.. RICHARD MILLER <richetel@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 15:05:24 (CDT) Re: Cuero Dam ... The ladder is gone. Jeremy <bdanson@austin.rr.com> - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 14:04:31 (CDT) There has been a ladder there for the last few yrs. If not,walk on top of the ledge toward the river. When u get to the corner, there is some rebard sticking out. Its not great, but u can work ure way down. If u are in a two man or more boat, u could use ure boat as a ladder. Hopefully, the ladder will be there for u guys and gals. GOOD LUCK ALL RICHQARD(OUT) RICHARD MILLER <richetel@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 13:31:38 (CDT) Russ, I appreciate your humor but your bathroom scale does not! Lee Deviney <txpaddler@aol.com> - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 13:16:55 (CDT) Beaver aluminum canoes. They came in several lenghts including a C-2 at 18.5' and a 17' solo model. They were shaped like an old USCA cruiser with plumb stems. USCA once had a "super aluminum" class which was for Beaver and like tin can canoes. Johnny P and I noted a loophole in the Neches Wilderness race rules some years ago and raced an 18.5' Beaver in the aluminum class (as did THREE other teams who had Beavers). I don't think Frank appreciated our strict construction of the race's rules. As it turned out the Beaver doesn't turn and was not the boat for the Neches River. The Arkies took first in a 17' Voyager and we had to settle for 2nd place money. Lee Deviney <txpaddler@aol.com> - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 13:16:09 (CDT) Does anyone have any suggestions for getting over Cuero dam? After lowering the boat over, we realized there was no way down except for jumping. A 10 foot jump over a dam is bad enough when you are fresh, but I don't look forward to it come race time. Jeremy <bdanson@austin.rr.com> - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 12:00:59 (CDT) Here are the final times for the 1st annual Jonestown-Starnes Island Race that was held on May 17th 1st solo - 1hr10min - Philippe Blouin 1st tandem - 1hr13min - West Hansen & Jeff Glock 2nd solo - 1hr19min - Mark Poindexter 1st open - 1hr22min - Cindy Meurer & Lee Deviney 2nd tandem 1hr30min DeForrest J Tiffany & Robert Cespi(sp?) 3rd solo(TIE) - 1hr37min - Steve Frick 3rd solo(TIE) - 1hr37min - Doug Casey 3rd tandem - 1hr39min - Wade Vincent & Vardy Vincent 4th solo - 1hr49min - Justin B McGuire 5th solo - 1hr59min - Dushyanth Bharadwat 6th solo - 3hr3min - Mike Brooks (equipment failure) We had a blast and are looking forward to a bigger race next year. Pictures of the race will be on the Jonestown's Chamber of Commerce website in a day or two. (TWS-1/1 solo) James Quinn <Jdq18695@aol.com> - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 11:03:51 (CDT) Palmetto to Gonzo, jam at 5.5 miles and 11.6 miles portage left or walk across, Jam below cone street work your way through on right other than that wide open. mike stinson <stinsonmike@hotmail.com> - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 08:57:08 (CDT) Also re Beaver Boats: Tom Goynes, who I believe lurks on this board, will correct me if I am wrong, but I think the Beaver was 18 feet long and would have fit into the Standard Class as he originally intended it. If over 18, it clearly would not have. In either case, given the fact that there are now dimensions defined for the class, things might have changed. Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 07:56:42 (CDT) Clarification and Apology: Folks, As the late, great, Richard Nixon used to say, I'd like to make one thing perfectly clear. I was only joking! After my recent spate of posts badmouthing the likes of Allen Spelce, Bob Spain, Lee Deviney, Robert Youens, West Hansen, and last (and certainly least,) my son David, (I never mentioned John Bugge by name,) I have received e-mails indicating that there are still folks around who are mercifully unfamiliar with the old Palmetto Hotline and who are thus ladies and gentlemen enough to believe that no human being enjoys seeing himself used and degraded in print. (Those who do remember may also recall that, in addition to harrassing my betters, I was equally capable of abusing myself.) In any case, I have abjectly apologized to those folks and, should any of you share their reaction to those posts, please accept my apologies as well. BEAVER BOATS: I have never paddled one but have raced against them a couple of times. I was not aware of the light metal Tom mentions, but that may well be true. They do have a much finer entry than other aluminum boats although not quite as much as a C2, and do not have as great a width as other aluminums. They are decidely faster than an alumacraft given comparable personnel.-- Uncle Russ Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 07:50:37 (CDT) After the Sea Drift race I noticed several more deep scratches in our Highly Characterized aluminum craft. Wishing to confirm my suspicions that this really was not from the aqua/marine life dental work but rather a light brush against some grumpy old boater, I asked my sternie. He replied it came from some shiney objects hanging from trees like christmas ornaments dragging alone the boat. Huh! I thought that was some of our TEXAS spider webs. I was wrong. After discussing this with an admired Safai Vet, Mr. richard Miller said one of those things actually stopped his boat cold! Now that's a strong web that must have at least 3tons of tinsel strength. What else is out there! Is there any other stories about these ornaments with fish hanging on them. Are there any trot line fairies out there? Should a novice weare armor, tear away jerseys or just follow the grumpy old men boats. Any advise will be appreciated by me and others that were too shy to ask. Thanks. roger Nelson/silverbullet/270/novice <forgiven4ever@sbcglobal.net> - Monday, May 26, 2003 at 21:47:44 (CDT) Regarding Beaver Boats: I've never seen one, but what I have heard they are, from someone who owns one, is a C-2 cruiser type boat, but it is made of very light aluminum. About as thick as a beer can. I think they make a distinction in the rules so that these boats won't be competing against conventional aluminum boats. tom pope <tom_r_p@lycos.com> - Monday, May 26, 2003 at 21:05:37 (CDT) Looking for a 17' square stern grumman canoe in or around Montana nance <nravenspeaker@msn.com> - Monday, May 26, 2003 at 21:02:58 (CDT) I've been digging around a bit on this board and I have a question: What the heck is a "beaver boat". I know it's a loaded question and I'm already imagining some of your answers. Thanks. Todd Terrell <tterrell@hsc.usf.edu> - Monday, May 26, 2003 at 18:46:24 (CDT) Pre-race statistics for the the 2003 TWS are posted on at www.texaswatersafari.org (under Race Information-->Texas Water Safari-->Stats). There are 117 boats registered, with the largest class being the Solo class (34 soloists entered). 79 of the 216 participants are within 30-39 years old, and 65 racers are 40-49 years old. Only one racer over the age of 70, but 7 racers under the age of 17. The starting positions will be posted later this morning. Robbie Cooper <scoop@austin.rr.com> - Sunday, May 25, 2003 at 13:04:03 (CDT) Dave Bartell et al : I am not yet worthy to enjoy the placid waters and scenic vistas of the Hocheim run ( and it would take me too far from Luling) . I made WAY too many boo boos and need more remedial upper river running. I want to repeat City Park to Luling 90 or 80 on Mon. If you are amenable to a change of venue or if others are doing the top section -I'll be your huckleberry. Michael 8302576244 M P Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Sunday, May 25, 2003 at 11:39:29 (CDT) Now David... I see you were raised with the same values and ethics I was ...Always speak the truth and never let a lie get in the way of a perfectly good story. Remember - I provided no direct assistance I merely facillitated a ( massive ) water transfer . If your account was told "gospel" you may recall it was not the 18 man boat in Gonzales I was chasing but 18 virgins in Luling ( before they were defrocked in the Thump Queen initiation rituals). At any rate it gave me the gumption to tell my Mam and Pap that I was going to San Marcos - I wanted to learn the ways of the river and be a Safari man, Whyyy they looked at me like they was gut shot. M P Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Sunday, May 25, 2003 at 11:22:50 (CDT) Robert: We only went as far as Prairie Lee 2. In that stretch the water is signficantly down from a couple months ago. There were a couple places where we attached steel-spiked paddle cleats to the ends of our Zav's and wheels to the bottom of our canoe in order to make it through the shallow parts. But even with these adaptations there were a couple places where it just made more sense to attach the boat to ropes and swing it from tree to tree. In anycase, I don't think it's as low as it was last year this time. Who knows what it'll be by the time of the race though. With the water as low as it is, it might as well be a different river from a couple months ago. Of course for me, it's a different river every week since I have a hard time remembering anything past a couple days! From what I can tell it's shaping up to be a nice first day... Gonzo 183 to Hocheim. Tomorrow, Monday the 26th. Anyone interested in a shuttle please let me know. On the matter of gar repellant. If you have a new boat built for next year you can add some repellant to the epoxy mix and that will make your boat invulnerable to gar attacks fo years. Same concept as adding a mold and mildew deterent to house paint. Dave Bartell <dbart@lcc.net> - Sunday, May 25, 2003 at 09:59:48 (CDT) David Robert <flawseeker@hotmail.com> - Sunday, May 25, 2003 at 08:02:52 (CDT) Well well well... Team Rivermadness owes a big THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU! to Michael Simmons for his help on the river today!!! We did Staples to Prairie Lee 2 and got pinned against a downed tree maybe about 3/4 - 1 mile below the dam. Jeff and I were in the process of figuring out just how bad this situation was shaping-up to be (the boat was almost fully submerged and pinned against the length of the tree in fast-moving water) when Michael comes paddling up. My first thought was, "Well d@mn! It's a Safari paddler!" My second thought was, "Thank God! It's a Safari Paddler!" Michael was great. He didn't even get out of the boat. He just calmly paddled over to us and lifted the high end of the boat out of the water with his right hand while keeping his own boat steady by paddling with the left. After he dislodged the boat, he paddled around the down tree and caught our boat and gave it a gentle shove up onto the gravel bar. Then he started paddling off. I yelled, "Wait!!! Wait!!! Who are you? He replied, "I'm Michael Simmons... I don't have time to chat... I've got to go catch that 18-man boat at Gonzales...." And that was the last we saw of him. Thanks Michael... You really saved the day!
I definitely don't plan on going solo this year. In fact the Pogues and I are taking the year off! I'm looking to solo in the next year or two, but I plan on getting alot of practice first!!! Thanks for the suggestions so far...any more suggestions on where to buy a fast solo boat? And what do y'all think is the best type of boat to use for a solo race? Michael Olsen <Michael.olsen@ci.austin.tx.us> - Saturday, May 24, 2003 at 16:48:49 (CDT) CaptJack: Would you please tell how you insert pics into billboard? Thank you. And, GREAT pics of bugs, snakes. Chris Chris <agiedc@itouch.net> - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 23:13:33 (CDT) I've never seen a gator while paddling the lower section of the river in the TWS. However, I have seen MANY a dinosaur, a few Indians and a shrimp boat pass by me while I was looking for my seat belt. On a serious note: I train on a river near my house that's loaded with gators. Most of the time they rocket off the sandbars and disappear when they are startled, however, depending on the time of year they can exhibit aggressive behavior in narrow sections of the river. I've had buddies get their kayaks rocked by the bad boys as they blow beneath the hull of the boats. While training with my son I smacked a large gator with my paddle blade as he lurked right beneath the surface. Upon contact the water exploded like a water ride at Six Flags. I thought my son –paddling in the stern—was going to take to the air in an effort to get out of the gators way! Night training on the same river gets real interesting. Negotiating log jams in waist deep waters darkened by tannic acid after seeing the "red eyes" in the same area tends to raise your "pucker" factor a few notches. Especially when you feel something bump into your legs only to realize it was a submerged log… or was it? My take on gators: I'm no authority on gators, but I do spend countless hours paddling and portaging in their front yards and at times trying to sneak as close as I can to see how freaked out they get when suddenly awaken after soaking up the Florida sunshine on a cozy little sandbar;>) Unless fed by humans and/or provoked they tend to give you plenty of ground. If it's that time of the year (mating, with babies, protecting a nest) leave them the heck alone. James H. "devo" DeVoglaer <j.devoman@verizon.net> - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 22:05:04 (CDT) I'm looking for a shuttle for tomorrow. I'm running from Luling Dam (it) to Gonzo 90 or from Palmetto to Gonzo 183. I've got a truck that can carry a big boat, if needed. --West West Hansen <hansen@grandecom.net> - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 21:34:06 (CDT) If anybody needs a driver for their car, I am avaliable. I look really good behind the wheel of a hummer or bmw. My cell is 817-614-1993. I'll be at check in on friday afternoon. My father won't be at seadrift till monday (if he's lucky). Contact me or talk to me on friday. jennifer bugge <bugge695cs.com> - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 20:29:35 (CDT) Hey- "tasty morsel" the person you want to talk to 'bout them Gators is the "DevoMan". He wrote a great story about his little jaunt in the Okefenokee Challenge last year. He had an interesting time with some territorial tail slappers commin' down the Suwannee. from the story- "Once back in the "groove" of the race, I methodically paddled the section avoiding contact with a very heavy and unusually aggressive alligator population. The alligators were everywhere and responded to my presence with very aggressive behavior, slapping their tails on the water, swimming towards the boat and charging into the water towards me! At one point I had three large alligators charge down a sloped sandbar, entering the water at a high rate of speed and swimming directly towards me. Shocked that I was on a collision course with three large carnivores in the dark of the night I kicked my efforts in gear and rocketed past the danger zone." You should really read the whole story- incredible!!! Speaking of James? are you and LittleDevo going to late register? You can't let Bugge and his daughter take the Parent/Child trophy.... CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netX> - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 20:10:18 (CDT) David: You got me, I was wrong... We I read only TC can touch the canoe, I was think of me in the canoe... Best of Luck and go ahead and give out free hungs at every check point... Good Luck to you, might even shake the officals hand while your at it... Frank - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 17:38:54 (CDT) Thank You Capt Jack for the informational study. It has been vey informative and helpful. Jon Schoepflin <jon.schoepflin@nextel.com> - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 14:03:05 (CDT) Anal scale divided or undivided: The "cloacal" opening is covered with a scale, the "anal", which may be single or divided into 2 parts. The anal plate on a snake is the last "body scale" on the underside or belly. One good identification characteristic is to determine if the snakes' anal plate has one scale or is it divided into two scales. You can not use the anal plate to tell the difference between venomous and non-venomous snakes. You can use the tail scales to determine if a snake is venomous. The pit vipers (venomous) have a single row of scales under the belly to the Cloaca. Near the end of the tail, the single row will change into a double row. All non-venomous snakes have single tail scales. In this illustration the snake on the left has the "split" tail scales (venomous) and the snake on the right has the single tail scales (non-venomous).  ..do you plan on turning the snake over to see?... This folks is a "Coral Snake"!!!! - "Red & Yellow Kill A Fellow"  And this is the "Scarlet Kingsnake" (non venomous) "Red on black is a friend of Jack" And this folks ends today's Junior Woodchuck critter identification class, hope ya get it right....CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netX> - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 13:19:43 (CDT) I've always had a horrible memory about which snakes are dangerous and which aren't. Therefore, I have to depend on several unproven hillbilly methods which I can use on the fly to determine if the snake is venomous or not. One easy way is to grab the snake and smell its breath. A sweet smelling breath means good snake and a bad odor means bad snake. Very easy to remember. My brother taught me that trick. I’m told by our #3 man this year that if you sneak up on the snake and lift its tail, you can look at its 'vent' (poop hole) and if it has single scales after the vent its venomous. Double scales its non-venomous. I may have that backwards. Matt Huff & Puff #316 <redfox_1969@hotmail.com> - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 10:27:13 (CDT) Mississippi River Challenge team is 409 miles ahead of the 1984 record pace on day 13. Have been riding a crest. In the comparable recent days the 1984 team had been down, about 110 mpd, but then they picked up to 175mpd. And, the present team is facing stormy weather this weekend. In sum, this team is likely to break the record from 23 days maybe down to 20, possibly lower.??? !!! Omar <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 10:10:18 (CDT) Re: Jon - You're right- most of the snakes that Safari racers may encounter in the river will be water snakes. Most will probably be "Yellow-bellied" water snakes. They like to act aggressive like a Cottonmouth and will charge and open their jaw but they are not poisonous. In the adrenaline rush of the moment you may not be paying a lot of attention. Make sure to look and see if he has the horizontal Bandit's mask "through" his eyes as I've shown in the photos posted, earlier below. As said earlier, that is the fastest way to determine if it's a Cottonmouth. As you can see in the photos, it would be easy to mistake a Cottonmouth for a Yellow-Belly. Here are some photos of the Yellow-bellied water snake, click on the thumbnail photo to see a larger image.  Now spiders - that can be just as intimidating a topic. The only "dangerous" poisonous spiders that we really have to worry about in Texas are the "Black Widow". They are are shy and secretive and found in seldom-disturbed areas. The mature female has a characteristic hourglass-shaped, reddish orange marking on the underside of the abdomen. Black widow spiders are predaceous, devouring small arthropods trapped in their webs. Their bite is relatively painless at first, but may be followed in about an hour by intense pain and swelling. The venom causes nausea, cramps, lack of coordination, and difficulty breathing by interference in nervous functions. Death has occurred in individuals hypersensitive to the venom. (credit: Extension Entomology, Texas A&M University)Click to enlarge  And the "Brown Recluse"(Fiddle Back spider) The Recluse is considered the most dangerous of the two. The Brown Recluse can be mistaken for a Hobo spider. The Hobo can bite and leave a pretty good mark but nothing like what a Recluse bite can do. (My uncle lost his middle finger while gardening his tomatos from a Recluse bite)The 1st picture is a Brown Recluse (note- the upside down "fiddle" on it's back), the 2nd is the Hobo spider - Click to enlarge.   Now that everyone is thoroughly freaked out, chances of a BlackWidow biting you in the race is about zilch. BrownRecluse maybe, but doubtful. The worst hazard from fauna, in my opinion, is "FireAnts" in the log jams, especially at night on the stretch between Palmetto and Gonzales. Remember to look where you are stepping and putting your hands. The other "dangerous high risk" is stepping on a StingRay in the bay if you get out and start walking through the shallows, ask West..Happy Dreams :) CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netX> - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 09:33:56 (CDT) Here is the Melvin Milquetoast version. Dave: my point exactly - it is not mentioned in the rules yet people get rabid over this issue every year. I seek to have it addressed, debunked, clarified, etc NOW rather than in the heat of battle. I choose this format rather than the OFFICIAL one ,BOFH, because this one allows us all to be educated . I just dislike unclear, inconsistent ambiguity - like making an issue out of a rule if it applies to a leading team but not if it involves a middle of the packer like myself - or vice versa. Or a board chock full of anonymous posts when they "are not allowed" yet bleeping another signed one because it contains a movie quote and self - depreciating humor. Russ , I appreciate your attempt to defray this... This aint no MENSA board, but so far it looks like you are the brains of the outfit. M P Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 09:31:15 (CDT) Alot of folks are going to be on the river this weekend. Postings about river conditions/hazards next week would be appreciated. mike stinson <stinsonmike@hotmail.com> - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 08:45:21 (CDT) Frank, you scared me for a moment. I thought I might have missed something! I took a look under the team captain rules and found the emboldened text. I'm gonna go ahead and paste it in here:
It is very important for team captains to remember that the only direct assistance (other than verbal instruction and/or encouragement) that they may give their team is to provide them with water and ice. The team captain is the only person that may give his/her team water, and only a team captain may touch or reach in the boat and remove empty water containers and replace them with full, nonedible containers.If this is the correct reference, then I guess I don't see what you are talking about. This covers what the team captain can and can't do. It makes no mention of touching someone on the bank. I suppose the part about "direct assistance" might be left up to interpretation. Is a hug assistance? Maybe I just take things too literally... I believe that we have a lot less to fear of snakes than we do of spiders. In either case, the risk of getting bit by something that is going to kill you is not that great anyhow. There are snakes that have very similar appearance to Cottonmouths and Coral Snakes that are non-poisonous. I myself have a healty dislike for the Brown Recluse spider and believe that all spiders "must" be a brown recluse and it is an autofunction to kill them all. In reality, I probably have not ever seen one. Capt Jack... Any chance you could post some examples of the "look alike snakes" so that we dont encourage people to think of snakes that way I do spiders. For that matter some postings of Spiders would not be a bad idea either. This year will be my 7th safari and I can only recall only hearing of one major injury that had nothing to do with wildlife. Every year I end up with a plethora of ant and insect, possibly spider bites, but none are fatal or even dangerous. Everytime I have seen a snake it is a good thing as it is something different to look at. Jon Schoepflin <jon.schoepflin@nextel.com> - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 07:56:28 (CDT) Tell you what; if David tried to hug my twins in the middle of the Safari we'd have to pull the rig over and have a chat. I'm as liberal as the next guy, but you've got to draw the line somewhere. David, I'm supportive of you grabbing your twins as often as possible and giving them a firm nuzzle and gently caress. I, myself, have been concerned about my twins during the race and have frequently requested that they be slathered with the proper amount of sunscreen and baby oil. Typically, they've become very shy during the Safari and tend to retreat into a safer, more secure environment. However, I bring them out for all to see once I hit the seawall and show them off as much as possible. They typically take an hour or two before they emerge enough to be ready for some rough housing and play with my beautiful bride, but somehow after sticking with me throughout the long ordeal they've still got pounds of energy. If my bride isn't around, then I have to play with them all by myself, which isn't that easy when I'm so worn out after the race. But, we're very close and I do love them, so I'll muster what reserves I have left to give them the attention they so deserve. West Hansen <hansen@grandecom.net> - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 00:24:19 (CDT) All 4 poisonous snakes that are indigenous to Texas can be encountered along the river/s of the Safari race course. The most likely would be a Cottonmouth. The Cottonmouth, like a Rattlesnake and a Copperhead is a pit-viper with a triangular shaped head and and all three have oval shaped pupils in their eyes (note- they are not the only triangular shaped skulls of NorthAmerican snakes and not the only ones with oval pupils, they are the only three that are poisonous). The 4th poisonous snake is the Coral snake. It has a normoal round, small head with round pupil eyes. The Coral snake is akin to the Cobra snake. Remember that if the yellow & red colored bands are next to each other (red & yellow kill a fella) it is a poisonous Coral. The most obvious thing to notice about a Cottonmouth (WaterMoccasin is a common nickname) is the dark band that runs horizontally through the eyes, like a bandits mask. Click on the thumbnail image to see a larger image   CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netX> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 19:49:59 (CDT) I have owned a few pit vipers as "pets" and particularly ones that have frequent human exposure, they will only strike at food. For the most part it is the same in the wild, striking at something other than food is usually a last resort. Watching where you step and making ample noise (vibrations) will give them time to retreat. There is always the exception, my paddling partners know I like to closely inspect wildlife on the river and it is difficult to run down snakes, they do not want anything to do with humans. I did have one encounter when the cottonmouth I was pursuing not only didn't evade, it came at our boat with a fair amount of aggression. It was early spring and I think this is their mating period and suspect this was simply innate territorial behavior. I had never seen a 200+ bowman levitate before this incident. Logjams are the most likely place to encounter snakes esp. at night. As the safari yarn is told, most paddlers behind the lead boats have nothing to worry about as they have all been scared away. Uh, or is it that by the time they encounter you they are really pissed off....I can't remember. Ken K <pmf@y.c> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 18:43:14 (CDT) Look into the snakes eyes,if his(or her)pupils are concave(like a canoe)it is poisonous,if pupils are round(like humans)it's non-poisonous.also a diamond shaped head is another sign of a poisonous snake,....of course if you're close enough to see it's eyes it's probably to late!but it's nice to know if you were bitten by a poisonous snake or not. Good luck to all! Doug #62 Doug Rhude <riverrat62@msn.com> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 17:28:12 (CDT) "Long range" gummint weather forecast has a chance of rain at checkin, clouds Sat., rain Sun. But, they've been mostly wrong this season. john <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 17:18:48 (CDT) Couple of herpetologists on tv the other night were demonstrating how reluctant snakes are to bite. Remarkably so. Cottonmouths show their mouths to intimidate but their teeth are short and fragile and they need them to hunt. Very reluctant to bite. Same same rattlesnakes, rattling and trying to get away. john <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 16:53:13 (CDT) Michael: I hear you my friend. Opinions are like body parts that everyone has but keeps covered up. I'm not sure what you would consider an "official comment" but I will take a limited crack at it: As I remember, the rules as they are written are pretty much what David says. The only rules I have ever known about are those in the pamphlet. I have served as chief race judge on two occasions, and in my view, the printed rules are very much left to the interpretation of the official on the scene, subject to the judgment of the chief judge, all of which are appealable to the Board. One thing you can be sure of (unless things have changed in the past couple of years): the board is the final authority. Let's take an example: David has achieved a miracle and is leading the novice class by 30 seconds at Tivoli. In full view of God, a Safari Official, the second novice team, and clergymen from every major faith on Earth, he hugs his children. He then jumps back in the boat and finishes (again,) 30 seconds ahead of his opponent. There are two possibilities: (1) The offical either (a) disqualifies his team or (b) laughs and leaves it alone. (2) the second novice team protests the race and puts up the required protest fee (I think that is still the rule?) In the former situation, if noone protests and a judge does not rule on what she or he has seen, then offically it never happened. If he disqualifies the team or adds a time penalty, then David may, as I remember it, appeal to the board. In the second scenario, if a protest is filed, the board decides. Now, don't take all that as gospel because it has been a while and I'm an old man, but to the best of my memory that is how I was prepared to deal with teams, (especially those mean ones right up together at the front,) should the need arise. So I think in reality, it would be on a case by case basis and would depend to a great extent on whether the chief judge or the board members had been able to sleep after their finish and have a good bowel movement. An example: in 1987, my partner left his paddle on the concrete slab at Fentress. He yelled at our team captain to throw it to him, which she did. This occurred in front of a judge and the teams of two of our opponents. We worried all the way to Seadrift that we would be disqualified. In fact, noone gave a damn what we did and everybody beat us like a red-headed step child. Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 16:32:13 (CDT) Jeremy I am not a herpetologist however, You can usually tell poisonous snakes and non-poisonous snakes by the way they swim. The poisonous snakes like cottonmouths swim on top of the water with their head slightly above the surface. I believe this is due to the fact that when they bite prey they inject poison and wait for the prey to float up to the surface. The non-poisonous snakes have to chase prey and are good at submerging to catch it. These are just country boy observations. I had at least a dozen cottonmouth experiences over the last year and did not get bitten. Two of those encounters were within striking distance. I think the last thing the snake wants to do is waste poison on something it can't eat. The field guide to Texas Snakes states that only 7% Texas snake bites involves Cottonmouths and less than one person a year dies from those bites. tim <twentrcek@dfwairport.com> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 13:49:24 (CDT) Burdett and Sons in College Station sells camelback bite valves for 5$ if you live in the area. matt <watsonjm@tamu.edu> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 13:37:03 (CDT) Thanks for the support....it`s great to win first place (a new experience for me) but what in the HELL is so dumb about that question....??.......hmmmm?? women`s supplies......what did they recieve.....?? Tell me it`s not what I think it is... doug <dmackay@grindingsource.com> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 13:05:52 (CDT) Fred, I agree. Rules are rules. In the Safari official rules (you can read them at http://www.tisd.net/~txws/race_info_tws.htm) the only rule I can find that even remotely might call into question a hug from your kids is: "9. Teams shall not receive help or assistance of any kind (except verbal) during the Safari." Now in my case, I'm not much of a hugger. My kids seem to be. If anything a hug from the little ones is slowing me down. Nevertheless, I realize this can be a problem. After all we all know that many teams have benefitted illegally from 3 year-old twins secretly passing Power Bars and electrolytes during that "innocent" hug! David Alan, We are using those bite valves. They are the typical valve from a camelback. They have a 90 degree bend in them and have a shut off valve so no water leaks in or out. They come in real handy because you dont have to worry about syphonin water. They fit into a 3/8" O.D. tube. We got ours at REI for about $7.00 ea, but Im sure you can get them anywhere they sell camelbacks. MIKE C <clark0612@juno.com> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 12:06:30 (CDT) Oh the thoughts and remembrances buzzing in my head right ow are too good to give away for free on this billboard. I'll consult with the current River Guru. The good stuff can, or SHOULD, be found in the "Palmetto Hotline" a Texas Canoe Racing Association newsletter exclusive. Get yours and do the right thing by joing the TCRA. It's simple, easy and cheap. Go to www.txcanoeracing.org Lee Deviney <txpaddler@aol.com> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 12:02:03 (CDT) I saw some folks on the last two races with some interesting bite valves on the end of their drink tubes. These looked like they were shaped in @ 90 degree angle so you could just hang it out of the side of your mouth. Anyone know where I can get some of these? Thanks. Alan <apickett@soe.sony.com> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 12:01:57 (CDT) Russ, I have to ask, without naming names,what supplies did any women`s team recieve during the safari...?? and was it OK`ed by any race officials....?? doug <dmackay@grindingsource.com> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 11:14:59 (CDT) If you take a swing at a snake that is streaking across the water with your paddle and it comes after you. It is likely that you have encountered a water moccasin. Like wise if you slap the water with your paddle at a cow standing near bye and it does not move. That there is a poor mans cow. If the cow bolts as you yell out, "Yah, Get on, Moooooo" Then you have encountered a rich mans cow. If you are paddling and notice some monkeys swinging in a near bye tree, you have paddled far enough to be down river. But not far enough to know what the monkeys are saying to you..... Jon Schoepflin <jon.schoepflin@nextel.com> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 10:52:51 (CDT) Lets get on the subject of snakes. What type of snakes are usually found along the river and how can you tell if they are poisonous or not (without getting bit of course)? Jeremy <bdanson@austin.rr.com> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 09:49:06 (CDT) You tell him, Fred. Personally, I long for the days when the race went to Corpus Christi and porta-potties were off limits and no women's team could take on additional supplies (don't ask) and teams were required to drink river water like skunks and feral hogs. Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 09:41:52 (CDT) Rules are rules... This isn't some Mom and Pop race... Don't go down the river thinking your going to get to hug every body and still get to finish. The can't touch/hug is all part of it... Don't like it, don't do it... Fred <FredT@Fortune.com> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 08:29:42 (CDT) David: Sounds like you may need to re-assess your priorities. Serious Safari paddlers soon realize that it's only one short step from feelings of parental love to a complete breakdown of the competitive spirit.>p< Woodrow: It's either really funny or really sad. With David, West, and me it depends on what our day has been like. With Deviney it depends on whether he is on his medication. --Uncle Russ Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 08:22:58 (CDT) All I know is that somewhere on day 2 during last year's race I got out of the boat and gave my little twins a hug and someone warned me off. If I had been disqualified for that I think someone would have needed to chain me to the boat! David Roberts <webmaster@rivermadness.net> - Wednesday, May 21, 2003 at 21:23:14 (CDT) Mr. M. Simmons: So Mark is your brother? I don't think I ever got to meet you. If I did, senility has set in for sure. I am by no means a current race official, but the "no touch" rule has been repeated for years as gospel. I doubt that even Spelce would not disqualify a team for a casual touch, although he might take a dim view of heavy petting. I remember seeing Mike Riley's Team Captain--in 1989, I believe it was--actually chain and padlock him into his boat for a picture at Tivoli. I don't think anyone would have been brave enough to disqualify him, though. I recommended that he be required to cross the bay that way, but who listens to me? So if Riley can have chain delivered after the start of the race, I would argue that a simple handshake is nothing. But again, I'm not an official. You surprise me with your knowledge of Texas history. That term "gentleman from Odessa," is almost lost in antiquity, I thought. I'll be an SOB if I can figure out where it started. But no, it is not the same as a Hungarian. That term refers to gentlemen for Indiana with a lot to brag about. (can you imagine what sane posters are thinking about this conversation?)--Uncle Russ Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Wednesday, May 21, 2003 at 21:05:13 (CDT) MAN! THIS @#$% IS FUNNY!!! Who needs Leno when you can read this!!! woodrow <hellbentcelt2@aol.com> - Wednesday, May 21, 2003 at 18:28:00 (CDT) Excuse my pertinence but: Over the eons we have enforced an implied "no touch em " rule during TWS. eg. Last year as I was pitted in Tivoli I wished to give my brother a congratulatory handshake on his c1 (and nearly 1st solo)win. Mark stated "Better not they are real strict on the rules " What rule ? They cover holding/touching the boat, giving assistance, and illuminating the boat. An argument might be justified if the rules prohibited "aid and comfort" , but I see no conflict in the above scenario. I understand someone might be inclined to give their team a long "handshake " up the bank around a long portage, but that would constitute assistance. **** Will a current race official comment on this as the rules are currently written. **** Uncle Russ: So is the term "Gentleman from Hungary" akin to a "gentleman from Odessa" ? M P Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Wednesday, May 21, 2003 at 15:54:01 (CDT) First of all, to my buddy Scott. Make it two shenene's and a straw. Tomorrow, we can give you a little preview of whats to come, all you need to do is bring 1 shenene, iced please. Second of all for all you "we love log jams and dont believe in removing logjams and want to eat %^&&**( for fun, paddle a damn JOHN BOAT, blindfold your eyes and use one of those great durable colemen paddle for the RACE. For those of you that want the challenge of paddling an ever changing river as fast as one can and enjoying the comraderie of others trying to do the same, LET THE TRIMMING BEGIN!!! Thanks to the Firies of the River, and I mean fairies in the magical sense since I would hate to imply the other meaning to someone with a chainsaw. P.S. Dont worry despite all of our attempts to make the jams go away we will never be able to beat the River but hopefully we can beat our previous time, and thats the beauty of the Water Safari. ROLAND GUERRERO <GUERRERO@THRIFTY.NET> - Wednesday, May 21, 2003 at 15:49:51 (CDT) Ahh, the discussion is alive and bristling with tension, must be getting close to June. It is comforting to know that by banquet time all will have kissed and made up. Linda has made special arrangements this year to have a bonfire gathering after the awards so we can all sit around, hold hands, sing songs, and share our true inner feelings with one another. Dr Phil <help@drp.com> - Wednesday, May 21, 2003 at 13:07:47 (CDT) Hey Jonathan, Thanks for the stuff. scott johnson <johnson_scott@ci.san-marcos.tx.us> - Wednesday, May 21, 2003 at 08:44:41 (CDT) FOR SALE....... New Spencer Extreme, not decked, very light weight, yes on carbon slider seat/rudder/pedals - no skirt but Goynes or Collins can make one in time. $2400 Tom,I really expected Roland to reply. Is he paying you protection money? I had to mess with him a little because I saw that he was messing with my boys Darryll and Jonathan. And we only got 2nd. We got lucky with that good breeze at our back. What are yall having to give for that Shenene anyway? I might take you up on that offer. scott johnson <johnson_scott@ci.san-marcos.tx.us> - Wednesday, May 21, 2003 at 08:10:16 (CDT) Oh Scott, you must be feeling Cocky after winning a first place in your division. #99, well, that boat number is probably already reserved for you. As for us, we are boat number 5 as usual. And on the subject of Shanene beer, I think I'll go by some, so I can sell it to you and you can give it back to me in Seadrift. We'll be getting mighty thirsty waiting in Seadrift for 15 hours for you to finish. Tom <Tom_r_p@lycos.com> - Wednesday, May 21, 2003 at 01:29:38 (CDT) Thanks for the reality check Uncle Russ. I'm done Gary Robinson <grobwbs@txucom.net> - Tuesday, May 20, 2003 at 22:16:24 (CDT) Count me in as a member of those not giving a rat's ass whether the river fairies do their work or not. I guess my take is that the minor obstacles are just that. The big picture is just getting out there and paddling your ass off. If you come upon something that slows you down, then go over, under or around it, then keep paddling until you see a big honkin' pavilion. West Hansen <hansen@grandecom.net> - Tuesday, May 20, 2003 at 22:11:47 (CDT) 4th School of Principle: Had contracted Gib a year or 2 ago to put in plastic boat ramps, Kool Aid stands ever' 10 miles, showers, and a/c rest stations. John <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, May 20, 2003 at 17:02:24 (CDT) Subject: Trimming the river: It has been said that the invention of the printing press paved the way for the Spanish Inquisition by the dual means of (a) instilling dangerous heresies in the masses and (b) threatening the True Church by promulgating the oft-repeated, but patently false notion that the earth rotates around the sun. The same obviously cannot be said for the invention of the Internet Bulletin Board which appears only to inflame old, outmoded, meaningless discussions. So let it be with the arguments about the ethical considerations of clearing out the river prior to the start of the TWS. One camp, seemingly the victim of testosterone poisoning, maintains that trimmers are insufferable wimps who should be shot on sight. Another group, justifies the trimming by one means or another. I have to say that I identify to some extent with the poster who points out that pulling out stobs for safety is a bit overinflated. This poster obviously has a bit of the poisoning himself, but there is some merit to the notion that safety in the Water Safari is a bit akin to rules in a knife fight. Then there is the third group: those who, to put it gently, don't give a rats ass. (And I'm not talking here about individuals like West Hansen or Allen Spelce, who don't give a rats ass about anything other than how they look in their Safari outfits or in their magazine photos.) This camp, in which I find myself, takes the position that, while one could easily make a rule forbidding defication in the river, one certainly would not look forward to being placed in charge of enforcing the rule. I teamed on a couple of occasions with a certain fairly famous sternman who was always at the forefront of complaining about those who trim the jams. Although I have no photographic proof, I could almost assure you that he was not himself unfamiliar with the use of a chainsaw during the first and second weeks of June...but that's another story. Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Tuesday, May 20, 2003 at 15:47:34 (CDT) 106 boats already. Hey Roland, you and Tom can't decide on a number? How about 99, your approximate time to finish. I'm tasting that Shanene already! Ann or Julie, if ya'll see this, give me a shout. scott johnson <johnson_scott@ci.san-marcos.tx.us> - Tuesday, May 20, 2003 at 09:46:47 (CDT) The Texas Canoe Racing Association (TCRA) points are calculated through the Dupone Swingin Bridge to Seadrift Canoe Race. You can check them out by goin to www.txcanoeracing.org. The points are located in the files section of the Egroup Peter Churchman <pc42707@swt.edu> - Tuesday, May 20, 2003 at 00:17:25 (CDT) Mike, too late be in the running for a good solo run this year! Solo U has a ton of good paddlers that have been training since Feb and Grady got the C1 class in his sights... Solo take a lot more work than any other class. The race is less than a month a way. Now getting that off my chest, Capt Jack is right, Bugge has a sweet C1 for rent and I hav'nt seen it out yet so it could be yours for the taking. Just make sure you get the insurance with that! Unless you have some real time in the solo u boats you'll be lucky to make to Staples. Mark <SlowAndSteady@hotmail.com> - Tuesday, May 20, 2003 at 00:08:18 (CDT) Now the "angle" is safety. Are you nuts? Paddle day and night to the point of exhaustion,negotiate dangerous dams, hallucinations, poisonous snakes, heat stroke, dehydration, stingrays, suicidal gar, alligators etc. and your big concern is a "stick-em". Exactly how many lives have been lost to a "stick-em" in the last 40years. Are you using scare mongering to mobilize the masses? Whats next, war? Anyway I believe the TWS has a safety commitee that is more than capable of addressing any safety concerns and taking the appropriate action so that individuals like yourself don't have to feel responsible for the fate of those poor defenceless novice paddlers in their "tupperware tubs". Come on, when was the last time you heard anyone say at a pre race meeting "look out for the stick-ems they'll kill ya". To the no mame dope, portages don't make the safari tough, it is tough regardless. The competitors signing up for the 40 mile portage knew about it in advance. Competitors signing up for the TWS know in advance the course and its challenges, don't like it? don't sign up! Looking back through the posts it is obvious there are plenty of offers of gas money and moral support but no evidence of any actual laborers, this leads to the conclusion that tree trimmers are indeed fairies. When you get to a jam treat it as an opportunity to gain ground on a competitor. Go over, around or across it as quick as you can and paddle on, leave the tree trimmer wannabes to cry about how unfair life is. Gary Robinson <grobwbs@txucom.net> - Tuesday, May 20, 2003 at 00:02:04 (CDT) I have a Jesen 18 that hasn't seen water in some time (since the last Jr). I lost my partner this year and have been going solo. Since my partner is now out of state (got a boat with a motor on it), its now just gathering dust. Its the ultra light (38 pounds) setup and has all the fixings (custom spray skirt, electric bailer, foot bailer(bow), bow & stern sliding seats, stern foot brace, couple of water jugs, and is Safari rigged with closed cell foam. She a fast boat and should be used as a race boat but is stable and can also be used in as rec boat as well. I would love to see her in another Safari since she took first Standard in last years race... If you ever done the safari in an tin can you will feel the difference, I'm asking $ 1,400 for the boat and gear that comes with her.... Paul Ohlemacher "Ohle's Pride" Paul Ohlemacher <P_Ohle@yahoo.com> - Monday, May 19, 2003 at 23:58:56 (CDT) Dear Perromas, or do you mean piranha? or maybe aka Robinson? EM <emfmeyer@ktc.com> - Monday, May 19, 2003 at 21:59:06 (CDT) Re: Mike Olsen- Where do I look if I want to buy a fast, solo canoe for the Safari? Mike- If you want to race solo this year and you want to get your late registration postmarked by this Saturday, You should probably call John Bugge and see if he has any solo boats left that are available to rent. CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netX> - Monday, May 19, 2003 at 21:58:42 (CDT) For all you non-tree trimm'n types that like the portages cause it makes the race tough, why didn't ya'll join the wimps in florida when they did a little race with a 40-mile portage? Oh, I see. It was more than you could do in a minute or two to stretch your legs. CryingaboutNutt'n <trimmer@hotmail.com> - Monday, May 19, 2003 at 20:35:29 (CDT) Roland, if you want the help of those inclined to chain saw or chop through some of the messes I wouldn't call them fairies. A fairie with a chain saw - the stuff nightmares are made of. BTW, how was Son of O.? Dave Bartell <dbart@lcc.net> - Monday, May 19, 2003 at 18:35:10 (CDT) Our night run has been postponed until this Saturday. Batteries did not arrive in time so we decided to see the bay instead. If anyone is interested in joining us for a night run we will be departing Palmetto between 8:30 and 9:00 pm this Saturday. We will probably run the same stretch that afternoon as well. Jeremy <bdanson@austin.rr.com> - Monday, May 19, 2003 at 18:30:18 (CDT) Many Jams? Four? Ohhhh, C-2's forget it? I run in a C2 and it IS easy to forget as I don't spent longer than a minute at any one of these little weenie jams, I think it makes good timing to stretch ones legs. I am sure a certain visually impaired safari historian can speak about "real" logjams....the last one I saw was in '95, and maybe |
