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well I have started my training for next yrs TWS. I did the first section from City Park to Staples Dam, It was great a great run. Only hit half as many trees this time! Any training suggestions would be great, Also me and my Yellow O.K.Sprinter will kick ass next year!!! Thanks again to everyone, a great bunch of people!! For Sale - Dagger Solo Canoe. I used this canoe to train with when I was away from my partner and our tandem canoe. The almost half of my training was done on this canoe... Great little training boat, I took out the cane seat and replaced it with a web seat (you'll thank me later). I'm letting her go for $350. This includes the foam pads and straps; she can fit on top of any car... Paul Ohlemacher <P_Ohle@yahoo.com> - Monday, June 25, 2001 at 17:08:03 (CDT) The Rowing Club of The Woodlands, TX has for sale: Trailer for 6-10 canoes/kayaks, approximately 31' long, 2" ball hitch, surge brakes, $1200 OBO. Please call after 6pm 281-296-8882 or 281-298-7694 Diane Hillman <dianehillman@cs.com> - Monday, June 25, 2001 at 16:10:16 (CDT) The TWS Party is at Spencer Canoes/Shady Grove Campground on July 21st, the third Saturday in July, sometime around mid-afternoon. Mike Riley is organizing a golf shoot-out or something dangerous in Gonzo early that Saturday morning and he has all the details on that part of the fun. Supper is a pot-luck affair so bring enough for me (kidding) since I don't cook any better than I paddle (not kidding). I'm looking forward to hearing a lot of good stories. See you all there. Pat <pgunnsco@thegateway.net> - Friday, June 22, 2001 at 10:02:18 (CDT) Want to buy a copy of the documentary video made from 2000 Safari -- NOT the Spencer race video; already got that one :> Can anybody tell me a website or phone number where I can order one? Crossed paths with the guy who made it at Gonzo checkpoint this yr but never saw him again to buy one. Thanks Laura Fatter <lefatter1@mmm.com> - Friday, June 22, 2001 at 09:05:04 (CDT) SELLING!!! I am selling a tandem unlimited wood strip boat with kevlar exterior, slider seats, rudder pedals, electric pump, not skirted or snapped. Completely ready to paddle. Built in 1997 for the Safari by Steppe/Bain. Stored indoors. Design is similar to a Spencer Extreme. Easily singled or doubled. Ready to rig for Safari. Weighs approximately 45 pounds. Never wrapped or wrecked. I bought it for $1,900 from Steppe. Might be willing to negotiate slightly. You can reach me by e-mail. I will be in and out the next week or two, but if you e-mail me, I will get back to you. Paul Solomon Solozone@aol.com Paul Solomon <Solozone@aol.com> - Thursday, June 21, 2001 at 21:29:51 (CDT) Marek, The last year the Safari started in Aquarena Springs was 98' Some engineers noticed some problems with the earthen part of the dam and said the racers couldn't portage over Spring Lake dam anymore. First year at the City Park was 99'. CaptJack Krohn <captjack@ev1.net> - Thursday, June 21, 2001 at 16:36:28 (CDT) When the Safari start was moved from Aquarena Springs to City Park? Marek Uliasz <uliasz@frii.com> - Thursday, June 21, 2001 at 14:26:04 (CDT) Does anyone know WHEN & WHERE the H20 Safari Par-tay is taking place? The Hoglegs would hate to miss it! Vance Jones <gvj4@hotmail.com> - Thursday, June 21, 2001 at 11:07:20 (CDT) The good lord gave us the strength to make it through the TWS now I am asking for the strength to say "NO!" to any crazy urge their might be to do it again. You solo people are awesome (and nuts) completing this on your own. Team Neveready is happy to say we finished the race and achieved our many goals we set. Goals which started out at "win novice" to something more realistic like, survive! Palmetto Low Water Crossing humbled us in a training run early on. I drove my partner to hallucinating by making up goals. Some as pathetic as "O.K., lets see if we can make it as far as that log over there?" Thanks to all we encountered in this insanity. The blue boat #421, the yellow kayak bros., Howard (Mr. C-1) and Gib (another Stud solo'er) and especially "Das Boot" you guys are great (and morons) for wanting to do it again next year. We also want to thank Robert Youens for his help training for this event. We would have sunk before Rio Vista Dam if it were not for him:) For anyone thinking about doing the TWS for your first time I suggest finding a guy like Robert and asking a lot of questions. Also, actually practice. We live in Houston and practicing on the river was a pain. Clear Creek and Buffalo Bayou are not even close substitutions. We ran the entire San Marcos in approx 25 mile increments, the "pre-lem" plus the last 13.5 miles which is the final insult that is the stupidity of doing the TWS. I am joking about the nuts, stupid, and crazy comments. Everyone who started this race sould be proud for even attempting it. We had a great time and will remember it forever. I just do not want to go through it again. THANKS AGAIN FOR A GREAT MEMORY! TWS RULES! Team Neveready Greg Gilmore <greg@dawghouse3.com> - Thursday, June 21, 2001 at 10:15:55 (CDT) Was someone from Yoakum looking for me and called my father. He wrote it down right before they cleaned the house... The out come was a lost phone number... PS, I feel sorry for anyone using a GPS going to Swing Bridge... Paul Ohlemacher <P_Ohle@yahoo.com> - Thursday, June 21, 2001 at 09:17:02 (CDT) Kevin, In regards to practice runs from SanMarcos to Luling: There really isn't any primitive camping along the river. It's all private property on both sides. You can camp at Pecan Park Campground between SanMarcos & Martindale. You could stay at Spencer's Canoes & Campground on the south side of Martindale on FM1979, or you could stay at Fentress Leisure Camp & RV Park in Fentress just south of Hwy.20. Those three would give you the most facilities. All are nice streaches of the river. I recommend that you leave a car at your destination for shuttle. If you need a shuttle you can call the Goynes at PecanPark @ 512-392-6171. Good luck with your practice runs. The more often you run these sections the easier they will become. The main portages are RioVista Dam, Thompson's Island Dam, Cummings Dam, Martindale Dam, Staples Dam and Zedler Dam in Luling if you get out at the City Park. The only ClassII rapids are Cottonseed. You can get a map of the river sections you want to run from either PecanPark, TG Livery, or Spencer's Canoes. Good Luck, CaptJack CaptJack Krohn <captjack@ev1.net> - Wednesday, June 20, 2001 at 20:33:26 (CDT) Hello all, I am starting my training for next year with a trip from San Marcos to Luling with some friends. We have done some other rivers, but not the San Marcos. Are the portages very difficult? Are the rapids severe? Are there any campsites or clearings to camp on along this portion of the route? We would rather have a primitive site. Could some of you that have trekked this section send me an email? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Kevin Brownell <spoetzl1@hotmail.com> - Wednesday, June 20, 2001 at 16:24:01 (CDT) Howdy! I am wanting to compete in the 2002 safari and was wondering if you knew ,or could get me in touch with some one who knows, what the best type of solo kayak to get whould be. I would hate to get the wrong type and end up recking it in the first few hours of the race. I live in San Marcos, so getting water time is no problem. Also, I'm 6'2" so all of the little kayaks are a little too tight for me. Anyway, thank you for your time and I hope that you are having a great summer. Colby Tate <colbyclay@yahoo.com> - Wednesday, June 20, 2001 at 11:15:06 (CDT) my two cents, after reading the bulletin board and watching the documentary (see it, if you haven't, plus pat's).... 1) the safari is one of the last "pure" adventures, no fancy gimmicks, just raw, and wild, and untamed...please be real careful with any tinkerin'... 2)i have no idea what it's like up at the front of the starting line....i will never be there....i do know that i started back next to the mynar boat, and watched with awe as they exploded at the start and worked their way out of sight...one of the most fun thirty seconds of my life... 3) i was rammed and knocked over by some boat in the first couple of miles on the san marcos, but i know they really didn't know what they were doing, (they thought they were in a RACE), that it would be a total waste of energy to get upset, and so i just got back in and paddled on....i don't think they made it past the first day...and it was only the first of many capsizes for me....c'est la vie... 4) upon finishing, i realized that the plaque and patches, (of which i now have a few) were nice, but paled in insignificance to the deep inner spiritual work that had happened (and always happens) and the relationships that had been formed (some new, some revisited).... just so you know i've got a little macho in there somewhere...RANGERS LEAD THE WAY! Norm Thomas <norm@hilliardandmunoz.com> - Wednesday, June 20, 2001 at 09:14:07 (CDT) Hey guys, some very good points you have made concerning the start. I have always been more to the thinking that if it's not broke, don't fix it. Like government, too many rules can spoil the fun. Still the TWS is growing at an astounding rate! It is something that we need to think more about as the number of entrants increases. Always be careful. Ted Slaughter <Tedtbsss@aol.com> - Tuesday, June 19, 2001 at 23:04:00 (CDT) Thank You Paul for these great shots. I remember passing through there asking if I would see them on the internet. So Thanks again.. Great Website.. http://geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/9073/tws2000/photoindex.htm Tim Tim <thezel@satx.rr.com> - Tuesday, June 19, 2001 at 21:29:41 (CDT) How does one get to the Paul Johnston Website? Richard Miller <richetel@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, June 19, 2001 at 19:47:03 (CDT) I just wanted to say THANKS to Paul Johnston for the Web Site with tons of pictures from the Safari... Every one in the office here is getting a big kick out seeing all the different teams. The pictures of CottonSeed are outstanding... Paul Ohlemacher - Tuesday, June 19, 2001 at 16:31:30 (CDT) I understand the concern some people have about the race start. But this is the Texas Water Safari a Texas tradition since 1963. It has already been altered because we cant start in the springs anymore.I think the only serious injury I ever heard about was not at the start anyhow. If it was easy anyone would do it. Lets not change the rules at all.. Let the strong prevail.. FUMAR CHOCHAR MOPAR #9 Jon Schoepflin <jon.schoepflin@nextel.com> - Tuesday, June 19, 2001 at 11:55:01 (CDT) A simple solution to all of the problems. Make it a Solo Unlimited only race. That would solve the problem with the big boats running over the little boats and would eliminate the wimps and bring the real racers to the front. Mano e Mano CaptJack Krohn <captjack@ev1.net> - Tuesday, June 19, 2001 at 09:39:12 (CDT) Thomas, I like the all start at once thing. After all it is a 260 mile RACE and your start position is based on your pre-lim time, plus you have the option to drop your starting position and move to the back of the pack if you wish. To make things even more interesting, I'm thinking LeMans style start, now that would make espn, and possibly world's funniest videos, but disapointingly probably wouldn't be very safe, unless we started the run from Aquarena springs. :) Sure the RACE is getting bigger but why do all the rules that made this RACE what it is have to change? 2 minute intervals seems too sterile for the worlds toughest boat RACE where the strategy is a sprint to get under the railroad bridge, or hang back and pass everyone later. Roy =:-) Roy Lewis <wwildchild@aol.com> - Tuesday, June 19, 2001 at 08:55:09 (CDT) To Capt Jack: I'll post TCRA bylaws tcra@yahoogroups.com under "files". This has nothing to do with TWS rules which may be similar but are different. Lee Lee deviney <txpaddler@aol.com> - Monday, June 18, 2001 at 23:08:52 (CDT) REVISION OF RULES - I would like to agree on revision of some of the rules concerning the race. The safari has and is growing and so should the rules. For instant the start - it's is a mad house (fun but a mad house) how about starting each line of boats at 2 minute intervals, or start each class of boat together. This would reduce race colisions and heated anger between racers. A computer spread sheet could easily keep track of time for the finish. Also how about seperate divisions for boats with 5 or more people in them. And how about a rule of mixed, something like to be a mixed team "the team has to consist of one third the oppoisite sex". Lastly how about moving the awards ceremony up to 6:00 pm, an evening ceremony. This would give alot more finishers opportunty to attend the awards which they deserve just for finishing. Just ideas that the officals should think about. Thomas Lee Mendenhall <the.mendenhalls@prodigy.net> - Monday, June 18, 2001 at 19:07:43 (CDT) Robert, Lee, et al, I looked around the TCRA website and couldn't find rules that stated right-of-way under racing condition? Where would they be? CaptJack Krohn <captjack@ev1.net> - Monday, June 18, 2001 at 14:36:30 (CDT) I enjoyed doing safari solo this year. It was a community effort getting me on and down the river and I want to thank everyone involved. You know who you are, but, (at the risk of forgetting anyone), the list includes Roger, Rusty, Cindy, Andrew, Rich, John, Jack, Paul, Ginsee, Bill, my mom and sisters, my kids, my neighbors, the members of 2X4 (2000), and on and on. Every word of encouragement before and during the race was taken to heart and appreciated. Thanks also to everyone who was at the finish line, and a big thank-you to my "Team Cindy", who couldn't be beat. To all the people I paddled with along the way, it was fun. I hope to see everyone at the party in July. Ginger Ginger Turner <gingerct@juno.com> - Monday, June 18, 2001 at 14:34:22 (CDT) In the real world of vessels under way the larger vessel has the right-of-way. It is the responsibility of the smaller vessel to maintain clearence of collision. It is the responsibility of the larger vessel to sound his horn to let any smaller vessel, that is not aware of the larger vessles presence, to stand clear! The 1st and formost rule is: He who is Biggest Has The Right-of-Way. The exception to this rule is that sailboats have right-of-way over power boats and sailboats on starboard tack have right-of-way over sailboats on port tack. Ask any sailor if he would challenge a larger vessel just because he has right-of-way, not on your life (boat). For more details concerning right-of-way please refer to the USCG Collision Regulations (the hardest part of any Captain's test for license). Capt.Jack Krohn - 100ton USCG license CaptJack Krohn <captjack@ev1.net> - Monday, June 18, 2001 at 14:24:24 (CDT) To Javier Garza and any other wannabees: we crashed and burned about 3-4 miles above Thomaston on a log jam. The river was flowing straight and there was a gravel bar ahead of us and a turn to the right. We made the turn and got swept up in swift water and saw a low hanging branch ahead of us. We got knocked out of the boat and floated about 20 yards where our boat went under a log jam, cracking both gunwales and knocking a hole in the side. We were able to get on the jam and salvaged our bow light and paddles and some of our food. Feeling under the jam and pushing on the boat we did'nt see anyway to get it out without some major help. We accepted help to swim across the river to the gravel bar without getting swept downriver. If doing it over, I would make sure I get a light on what is around the bend in the river and pay more attention listening to what is up ahead. I would take the time to pull up to the gravel bar to scout for potential problems instead of trying to stay on a certain pace. Also, fight to the very end. Our boat came out the log jam and with a little work and lots of duct tape we could have probably limped it in to the finish. Hats off to the Zeek's in 2000 for their perseverance. Darryl Jiral - Monday, June 18, 2001 at 14:16:46 (CDT) Inability To Control Boat: I feel that teams in the TWS should be responsible for controlling their boat. A team that is not in control of their boat and causes contact or damage to another boat should be held responsible for the contact or damage just as if it were intentional. Under the current lack of an appropriate rule, it is OK to run over a slower boat and to attempt to pass in a turn as long as you are out of control and it is not intentional Any Comment Robert Youens <txsnappe@aol.com> - Monday, June 18, 2001 at 13:59:30 (CDT) Right of Way: I have noticed that there are no specific rules regarding who has the right of way while advancing down the river. I recommend that the TWS consider using the Texas Canoe Racing Associations rules concerning right of way. Any Comments Robert Youens Robert Youens <txsnapper@aol.com> - Monday, June 18, 2001 at 13:48:53 (CDT) Any Comments: I feel that monster boats and boats with 3 or more contestants should start 30 minutes prior to the remaining boats. 1. It would eliminate the risk of collision between heavy weight, high speed boats and the slower boats in the crowd. 2. It would allow the other racers to be spectator at the big boat start. As the TWS grows, it becomes obvious that stating in waves will become necessary. Robert Youens Robert Youens <txsnapper@aol.com> - Monday, June 18, 2001 at 13:44:18 (CDT) PARTY? What Party? when? Where? I'd hate to miss it! Doug Rhude <riverrat62@msn.com> - Monday, June 18, 2001 at 12:01:01 (CDT) I didn't fire no flares #62 Doug Rhude Great Race had a blast! Thanks to all for the support. see ya' next year! Doug Rhude <riverrat62@msn.com> - Monday, June 18, 2001 at 10:34:44 (CDT) I am looking for a Partner for next year. I know the river well. Raised in Seadrift, Live In San Marcos. The Finish line is My Parents Front Yard. I have made the run 5 times. But not in the race. I want to race in a 2 man Alunimun Canoe. Want to finish in 60 to 80 Hours. Yes I have every intention of Eating Well... If anyone is interested email me at cjhall@itouch.net C.J. Hall <cjhall@itouch.net> - Sunday, June 17, 2001 at 22:24:00 (CDT) This is a good article. http://www.austin360.com/local/partners/aas/metro/061701/17safari.html Tim Hezel <thezel@satx.rr.com> - Sunday, June 17, 2001 at 13:37:57 (CDT) Do whatever it takes to get a copy of Sunday's, June 17th, issue of the Austin American-Statesman. It is the best story on the Water Safari I've read in a bunch of years. Great pictures by Sung Park and excellent writing by Patrick Beach. More pictures and the article can also be found at www.statesman.com. Pat Pat Gunn-Spencer <pgunnsco@thegateway.net> - Sunday, June 17, 2001 at 12:51:53 (CDT) Front page picture of Safari in the Austin American Statesman, full page artical also Sunday June 17th Clay Holland <Choll36042@aol.com> - Sunday, June 17, 2001 at 09:19:12 (CDT) I'm looking for a used solo boat. I'm going to run the race again in a couple of years (and finish this time) and plan on being a canoe bum in the interim. If you have a boat that you're considering parting with, please drop me a line. Congradulations to everybody who raced this year (sorry Paul about the bad bay info). Spencer Klotzman <spencer.s.klotzman@vanderbilt.edu> - Saturday, June 16, 2001 at 22:32:37 (CDT) Greetings from the far north. As a first time paddler in the TWS, I would like to thank all those who made the trip possible for Mike and myself. I could not have had a better, more experienced group of paddlers to lead me down the river or a more supportive pit crew. It is truely incredible to be able to say that I have paddled from the head waters of a river all the way to the end, and enjoyed doing it! I will never forget the highs and lows of the race. It's amazing to think that with only two practices, our team was able to be so cohesive and supportive throughout the entire race. I can not recall any disagreements or even short tempers along route. That is truely amazing considering the short amount of time that we had to get to know each other. This is surely a factor of the experience and proficientcy of the Texas paddlers within out boat. Thanks also to our Team captain and all his supporters. It was the most comforting site to see the group waiting for us around the bend, even if all we received were a few words of encouragement and a wave as we paddled by. When we did stop, I can not tell you how excited I was to be handed a jug and an icecube necklace! This experience is unmatched to any other adventure/race that I have had. It would not have happened if not for the short voice mail of John and Helen Dunn that we heard one early spring. Thanks for thinking of us. Memories are forever. Thanks for making mine so wonderful! Fiona Vincent Fiona Vincent <vincent@cableregina.com> - Saturday, June 16, 2001 at 22:22:11 (CDT) Well I guess that everybody knows by now that there is no such thing as Gar repellent. Howerever I do have some logjam repellent available. I have it in 3, 5,and 7 horsepower, with 12, 14 and 18 inch bars. If it looks like lots of jams next year see me about application of this wonderful thing that you can use to make yours and mine a much easier safari. Ted Slaughter <Tedtbsss@aol.com> - Saturday, June 16, 2001 at 12:19:10 (CDT) My husband and his partner Roland Guerrero finished the Water Safari this year...in 74.51 hours! It was their first attempt and we are proud of them. I would like to thank all the officials, volunteers, etc. We had a great time and I now know where to go if I want to see a bunch of good lookin' men in tights! The Cuero bridge at midnight was an adventure and nothing compares to the feeling I had when we saw the tiny blue dot coming across the bay just before noon on Tuesday. Ken Thigpen said to me " here comes Tom Pope!". It was the first time my husband has been on time for a meal in years (smile). Is there a water safari party/reunion? Thanks to everyone and whoever it was that made the road-kill stew...it was delicious...thanks! Julie Pope Julie Pope <jpope@centurytel.net> - Saturday, June 16, 2001 at 11:31:29 (CDT) RE: Roy Lewis, 6-15-01, Roy, I remember when I used to try to sleep at checkpoints. No one could have gotten madder than I did. Then I realized that the TWS is a spectator race where everyone has a right be there and have fun being there. After several years I found that the peaceful sounds of water passing a gravel bar (or mudbank) made for a much better place to sleep. I would hate to have to do the TWS without all those great people on the bank at all hours of of the day and night cheering us on. Ted Slaughter Ted Slaughter <Tedtbsss@aol.com> - Saturday, June 16, 2001 at 08:10:13 (CDT) Looking for used We-no-nah cruiser, 18'6" or Sundowner; good condition. Wes Slaughter <wesley1@ipa.net> - Friday, June 15, 2001 at 22:54:32 (CDT) Sounds to me like "Concerned" is a mere coward, who's ashamed of his/her name and likes to take unwarranted untruthful swipes at hard working volunteer officials. I personally know several volunteer officials who've stayed up endless days, paddled miles on the river and braved rough bay waters to insure that some unprepared fools can play Indiana Jones each year. These volunteer officials would never have had the energy or lack of concern to have laughed at a concerned family member. Crawl back under your rock, "Concerned". --WEST HANSEN West Hansen <west@jump.net> - Friday, June 15, 2001 at 22:48:56 (CDT) Hey TOM We go back a long ways. I'd cover your back and I know you'd cover mine anytime or anywhere. A race DON'T MEAN NOTHIHN', compared to someone in trouble . Ther's no ? of the choice. Hey you and Your BOW MACHINE did an awesome job. SEE YA AT THE SAFARI PARTY. RICHARD MILLER richard miller <richetel@yahoo.com> - Friday, June 15, 2001 at 20:17:30 (CDT) Marek and I got back to Colorado on Thursday afternoon, having driven over 3,000 miles during the week! It was certainly worth it, though. I had the time of my life meeting folks, and seeing the race and the beautiful Texas countryside. My especial congratulations to team Watkins (Stephan, Eric and T.C. Theresa), and to Thomas Mendenhall and his wonderful parents and daughter who I was fortunate to get to know a little bit. We'll be there next year, with Marek in the race this time. (Shame on you ;-) who suggested we send Marek UPSTREAM, to convince the racers they were going the wrong way! What a bunch of jokers.) Re: the comments by "concerned" I don't think you need to pay attention to them. He or she is clearly a troll (a person posting messages to get a reaction) so just don't worry about his/her comments. I was so impressed with the wonderful kind and helpful attitude of everyone we met. I really feel fortunate to have been able to participate in my small way this year, and look forward (I think) to being a TC next year. Connie Uliasz <connie@atmos.colostate.edu> - Friday, June 15, 2001 at 20:01:57 (CDT) I am confident that no one has ever been (or will ever be) disqualified for helping another team that has asked for help (and is obviously in need of help). On the other hand I would hope that any team that refuses to help another team that is in serious trouble (and it's obvious that they are in trouble) would be DQed. Obviously, the key word here is obvious. If someone has asked for help and it is your opinion that he or she isn't really in serious danger, then you may choose to continue toward Seadrift. But you better be real sure... And I don't care if the guy is five miles out of your way, and it's going to mean that you miss the banquet (or even the 100 hour limit) if you can see that he needs help you help him. To do otherwise is not just poor sportsmanship, it's sub human. Tom Goynes <goynes@centurytel.net> - Friday, June 15, 2001 at 19:19:08 (CDT) I, too, find this story a little far fetched. I could believe a flare being fired and not seen, but the reaction you describe by the officials is extremely hard to believe. Much harder to believe than gar repellant. Why shouldn't anyone believe you are from the same ilk? Some facts: NO solo boats dropped out after Victoria, so the boat in question must have finished. If he/she were crossing the bay Tuesday night(between 6pm and 6am) the boat must have finished between approx. 86 hours and the 100 hour cut-off. That leaves 8 solos: (PEAVY, DANIEL) (RHUDE, DOUG) (MITCHELL, WILLIAM) (MITCHELL, MATTHEW) (BENT, BRIAN) (SLAUGHTER, WES) (KEIRNAN, MICHAEL) (PARKER, JEFF). Four finished in the same 15 minute time period...I doubt they were crossing alone (2 Mitchells, Bent, Slaughter). If anyone knows if any of the remain four fired (or didn't fire) a flare, post it here. Kevin Ellis <Trainwreck20@hotmail.com> - Friday, June 15, 2001 at 16:35:50 (CDT) Javier, my guess is if you help someone out you would not be disqualified. I guess that because my dad and I did not bring a cell phone, but wanted to know if we could have asked someone to phone for us if we needed help without the other boat being disqualified too. We asked an official before the race and they said only we would be disqualified in such a case. So some amount of common sense apparently rules. As to the dude firing flares in the bay Tuesday night, we finished at 6pm Tuesday evening but didn't see any flares. So it must have been after we finished. However, I don't know that I agree a tired racer in dubious mental condition in a canoe or kayak in 30MPH winds on an open bay should be criticized too harshly for not racing to the aid of another racer who could have been a couple miles away. For example in the conditions my dad and I faced Tuesday afternoon, and with our skill and condition, two miles travel would have taken about 1/2 an hour. On the other hand, I don't think it's the official's responsiblity to provide taxi service to tired racers either. David Kloesel <david_kloesel@hotmail.com> - Friday, June 15, 2001 at 16:13:17 (CDT) Dear Concerned, I can see your concern, but I am not sure why you will not post with your name. It might add to the credibility of your statements and is requested of anyone posting to this bulletin board. If you are interested in improving the TWS your comments should be directed to the TWS board directly and not posted sans name. Potential participants need to be aware that your really on your own out there. Adventure races that provide helicopter support and field hospitals cost thousands of dollars to enter and millions of dollars in sponsorships and are run on courses that cover a smaller area. For $150 bucks your getting a real adventure which comes with a substantial risk, particularly for the unprepared. mike stinson mike stinson <stinsonmike@hotmail.com> - Friday, June 15, 2001 at 16:01:14 (CDT) I don`t believe that you were in the bay to see any flares! I have looked at the sign-up sheet and the results list and there were no entrants named CONCERNED! If you were in the safari and you have legitimate issues about it then have enough NAD to sign a post on this billboard! Doug <dmackay@grindingsource.com> - Friday, June 15, 2001 at 15:40:57 (CDT) RE: Three way split in the river. The river flows only one direction, all of the flow in this basin will eventually end up in the same place. The three way intersection you reference is really only a new cut across a bend in the river, most of the flow is taking the short route, a savings of less than a mile total distance. Some day the old channel will just be a big oxbow lake of deadwater much like the one above 236. Like Mr. Goynes mentions, this is the stuff YOU need to find out during training, not on game day. But when in doubt go with the flow....... Ken K. <perromasfuerte@yahoo.com> - Friday, June 15, 2001 at 12:35:24 (CDT) tom, in the situation you address, is the attending boat also dq'd for helping out? ie, dq if you do, dq if you don't? do the rules cover this? javier garza <ajgarza@2fords.net> - Friday, June 15, 2001 at 12:33:20 (CDT) Dear Concerned, First of all, you need to read through the rules a little more thoroughly. When someone fires off a flare it means they are in a life threatening situation; they have, therefore, made the decision to withdraw from the race and need immediate help. If you saw the flares, and you did not immediately go to the solo paddlers aid, you should be disqualified for not rendering aid. Also understand, that the officials at the finish line cannot see every flare that is fired. Hopefully the team's captain might see it, or another team (as in this case - although it didn't seem to inspire you to help the guy) or even a passing barge or fishing boat. The race officials do an amazing job with a small number of volunteers and are to be commended. Finally, it is not the responsibility of the officials to let you know about every split in the river. That is what practice is for. Tom Goynes <goynes@centurytel.net> - Friday, June 15, 2001 at 11:50:17 (CDT) How about a Kayak catagory next year race officals? You have C-2, Classic Aluminim, Tandem unlimited. How about Kayak 1, Kayak 2, Recreational Kayak catagories? It is a very challenging catagory. Although most have rudders, they also have decks which increases their weight and holds in some serious heat. Think about Officials please. Thomas L. Mendenhall <the.mendenhalls@prodigy.net> - Friday, June 15, 2001 at 10:51:19 (CDT) I wanted to say that the Safari was a blast. Having never participated in one before, I wasn't sure what to expect. I had a wonderful experience and met a lot of wonderful people. I will definitely do it again. I'm going to sit out next years race, since I promised my wife I would. But hopefully the following year, I might give it a run solo. Thanks to all the race officials for their hard work and to all the volunteers that gave their time and support, which helped more than they can know. Our goals going into the race were to be safe, have fun, and finish the race. We did all three, so I am a very pleased individual right now. Thanks to everyone involved for making the safari something that I will remember for the rest of my life. Jeff Jouett Jeff Jouett <jj@visualcnc.com> - Friday, June 15, 2001 at 10:48:56 (CDT) As a solo kayaker I am interested in performance of kayaks in the safari. I had opportunity to watch more closely a progress of few kayakers: Thomas Mendenhall #1986, Jack Krohn #49, and James Quinn #32. Could somebody identify other solo kayakers in the race? Unfortunately, I didn't include this information in my notes. I remember the kayak #13 at the start. Who paddled a white surf ski? There was another surf ski at the start. Yellow speedster? Marek Uliasz <uliasz@frii.com> - Friday, June 15, 2001 at 10:25:28 (CDT) We, i.e., Marek and Connie, just returned back to Colorado from Texas yesterday. In preparation to the TWS 2002, we visited all access and check points along the race course. I paddled in my wooden kayak about 1/3 of the course: very upper San Marcos and Guadelupe: Gonzo-Hocheim and Cuero-Victoria. It's a great race and great paddling community! We have learned a lot. Commuting between northern CO and southern TX for training and racing will be tough but we are looking forward to it. Marek Marek Uliasz <uliasz@frii.com> - Friday, June 15, 2001 at 10:17:50 (CDT) Thomas M, I agree with you on that car alarm, it woke me up too, and why does everyone have to talk at 100 decibles about car insurance, thier last accident, etc.. at the checkpoints when everyone is trying to sleep at 2am? But I'll never forget the look on your face on Monday in the heat of the day when I opened up my cooler and pulled out a Klondike Bar, and asked you what YOU would do for a Klondike bar. Roy =:-) Roy Lewis <wwildchild@aol.com> - Friday, June 15, 2001 at 08:49:52 (CDT) NORM, I wished we could have seen you.... How did it all work out? New adventures to tell bud? Stace and I have been wondering what your story is... Jon Schoepflin - Friday, June 15, 2001 at 00:38:59 (CDT) Well we did it, our first safari and we kicked it in the butt. I can hardly wait till next year's race. I will be entering Solo class in #2001'S Old boat that Spence built and won solo class. Nor Tho as (button broken sorry) GAVE us his racer, God Bless you. You are a great guy and it was a honor to have paddled with you. Sorry we didn't leave with you at Cheapside HOGLEG, DaD and I had lots of words and it set us back 4 hours. We finished 5 in the blue Ox blowing away boats of all classes and we could have done better. WATCH OUT NEXT YEAR SOLO CLASS. #2001,HOGLEG,please contact us at STEPHENWATKINS1@aol.co Eric Watkins <STEPHENWATKINS1@aol.co> - Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 19:30:56 (CDT) To all team captains - You all did a wonderful job more than wonderful, Awesome. However, I don't know who it was at Dupont Checkpoint but. Should anyone activate their car alarm again when I'm trying to sleep after paddling 227 miles, I WILL personally tie them to the front of my Battle Cruiser boat and use them for Gar/Alligator/ Log Jam repellent !!! (Expecially in the state of mind I was at that point) Thomas Mendenahll <the.mendenhalls@prodigy.net> - Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 18:39:45 (CDT) This is a copy of a diary written by our middle daughter, Kathryn, 10 years old, who took it upon herself to write during the race (We did ask if we could publish it and she said sure). She accompanied David L Mendenhall, my dad and team captain, and mom on the Texas Water Safari this year. Nobody else suggested it and we were amazed that she wrote so much (she wrote over thirty page when we typed it out it was over 7 pages). We may have a writer in our midst. Here it is: The grammar is unchanged, a few spelling corrections were made and pointed out. We hope you enjoy it as we did. http://pages.prodigy.net/the.mendenhalls/kathryn.htm Thomas Mendenhall (Boat 1986) <the.mendenhalls@prodigy.net> - Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 18:27:05 (CDT) Always learn something new on the safari----this time I learned tai-chi paddling on the bay......slow, smooth, beautiful strokes that cut the wind and water at all angles....for about six hours-------wish i'd had some water out there-----tip..make sure your water jugs don't float up and drain on the way to the bay...thank you to whoever picked up my boat....went back for it wed and it was gone...thought i saw it on a truck with a long boat, figured someone was doing cleanup.....TO STEVE and ERIC...sorry i was a little late getting in, it was just too mystical on the bay, looked for you to give the boat to you--when whoever has it posts its whereabouts on the bulletin board, feel free to go pick it up.......hope to be able to make it to the party this year at spencer's....ain't we lucky ones? Norm Thomas <hilliardandmunoz.com> - Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 18:25:41 (CDT) Can someone tell me how to get a hold of Wes Sheward? Email or phone would be great. Thanks. Steve Daniel <sdaniel@zydecodevelopment.com> - Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 15:33:37 (CDT) First and foremost, thanks to everyone associated with TWS. I belong to several groups and I am also a huge outdoor nut. From the river runners to the supporters, hats off. Even a friend, I brought along wanted to get involved just from meeting you, esp. Pat, Thomas, Ginger, Sammy, Johnny, to mention a few. Going to race next year and I am looking for a 3/4 person Spencer and a solo Wenonah for training. Thanks and congrats to everyone that has the guts to belong in this event. Henry Dornak <Hedornak@aol.com> - Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 11:29:49 (CDT) My partner Roland and I had the experience of a lifetime. Thanks to all of the good people involved in the race, Volunteers, racers, spectators. Having good competitors on the river sure is encouraging. Thanks for the company and inspiration to Norm, Don't Know Jack, Ginger, Battlecruiser, team 4500, and more. Tom Pope <awn-siter@lycos.com> USA - Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 11:25:49 (CDT) Well,TEAM HOGLEG their was one good thing about RUFUS THE DIVING DOG POOPING IN the RIVER at Gonzalez. My partner was napping in the river next to Rufus when he did his deed. It got my partner up and back in action, when about 50 people starting saying "oooh gross, the dog is pooping in the river". Tom Pope <awn-siter@lycos.com> - Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 10:57:05 (CDT) Well, did anybody get attacked by gar on the Safari? I mean, how could the gar resist with so many people in the water? The New York Times has an article on the front page of the 6/13 edition that pretty much says Lyme disease is much more rare than most people think, and it is treated by two doses of antibiotics. The huge regime of drugs that it is rumor to require are for a different ailment that appears somewhat like Lyme disease. Sounds like someone trying to sell snake oil around here............. Kevin Ellis <Trainwreck20@hotmail.com> - Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 08:46:14 (CDT) Lost: At the Palmetto bridge a broken ZRE paddle, It was gerry rigged with a broom stick handle and lots of duct tape it has my last name (GOMEZ) written on the handle. Thanks, Arnold Gomez <gomezarnold@hotmail.com> - Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 07:31:41 (CDT) Wow! Boat 1866 actually did it! Having survived my first experience as a team captain, wanted to thank the TWS staff and the rest of the racers/team members for making it the most amazing few days of my life! And if anybody needs a captain for next year, call me anytime and I'll help ya find one... Dave Orloff <the.orloffs@worldnet.att.net> - Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 04:47:34 (CDT) any thomaston sweeper victims or victors out there care to post details of the experience, how it happened, how you got out, got past it, how you might've gotten past it, etc.? some of us tws wannabes would appreciate the insights. thanks, and river hats off all around to this event and its participants. javier garza <ajgarza@2fords.net> - Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 22:51:35 (CDT) Anyone seen a black nylon folding chair left at DuPont or Tivoli? If so, let me know. Thanks. --West West Hansen <west@jump.net> - Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 22:44:10 (CDT) SORRY !!! Still finding parts of my mind can't count straight yet Team Battle Crusier came in 8th solo. Never take credit you don't deserve. 8th place solo finsher thats me Thomas L. Mendenhall <the.Mendenhalls@prodigy.net> - Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 22:28:27 (CDT) TEAM BATTLE CRUISER FINISHED 6th Place Solo at 77 hr 33 minutes hot dog. I finished the race in 97 and 2000, both times seemed easier because of the high water but more log jams. Well next year my 11 yr old daughter (will be 11 next yr) has convenced me to let her race also. So I will be in me 3 person kayak. Which means I will not be racing my solo. I will be willing to rent my solo (3 time finisher (twice 4th solo once 6th place solo) boat fully equipped with proven lighting system and drinking system but no paddle for next year's race. For Details email me. GREAT RACE TO ALL THE VOLUNTEERS AND OFFICALS THANK YOU!!! Thomas L. Mendenhall <the.mendenhalls@prodigy.net> - Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 22:24:19 (CDT) How many other boats were washed up in the sweeper that took us out of the race above Thomaston? People were coming up to me telling me about some other boats that were there, but they weren't when we were there. Who were they and how many? Holly Holly Nelson <IloveTexas@juno.com> - Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 20:53:10 (CDT) FOUND: HARMONY, Black and Blue kayaking vest. email me: wwilchild@aol.com Roy =:-) Roy Lewis <wwildchild@aol.com> - Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 20:10:07 (CDT) Hoyt and Grant #1620 finished! Last year at Luling park their boat decided to wrap itself around a stump. Hoyt claims he said "go right" Grant swares by his good seat cushin he heard go left. Well you finished this year. Now go take a bath, my bait bucket said you stink. Paul Beck <thin_gallery@hotmail.com> - Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 17:59:03 (CDT) Planning for next year.... Anyone out there have a used Alumacraft for sale ? Bob Brooks <kayaker@tamu.edu> - Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 17:44:50 (CDT) Great work to the TWS staff. Their extra attention to river detail and safety make this race smooth and safe. This really gives the teams confidence knowing they are well looked after. As a team captain I always knew, help is available for my team if needed and fast. My team TEAM HOGLEG #138 , in their second race finished 12 hours faster than they did in the high water conditions of last years race. great race dudes. Your captain was damn proud to be apart of it. I was very impressed with all the other competitors and their support teams, really good people involved in the sport. Our co-captain, RUFUS THE DIVING DOG SAYS "SORRY FOR POOPING IN the RIVER DURING THE RACE". Special thanks to Team #421 for their inspiration and damn fast paddling, setting a good pace for us on sat. Also, to team #9 they were solid competitors, nufrespect nufinspiration to them AND their teamcaptains. peaceout. david David Jans "Team HogLeg" #138 <dj@ocvauto.com> - Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 16:04:15 (CDT) I'll be running the safari in 2002. I'll be putting a boat together later in the year but for now would like to find something cheap just to get some time in the river. If anyone has a canoe (San Marcos / Austin area) that they would like to divest themselves of at a reasonable price, please give me a shout. Also, did those guys keep their ties on the whole way? scott johnson <johnson_scott@ci.san-marcos.tx.us> - Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 15:40:27 (CDT) Well, congratulations are in order for all the finishers, as well as the almost finishers who got taken out above Thomaston Crossing. If I recall, all three of y'all were on about a 60 hour pace through Cuero 236. Glad you got out OK, must be a bit of a wake-up in the middle of the night. It was quite different standing on the shore watching the race rather than participating. I enjoyed being able to watch every boat that made it to Cuero go by and see how everyone was doing, but it sure makes you want to participate. Think I will have to start getting ready for next year........... Kevin Ellis <Trainwreck20@hotmail.com> - Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 14:56:45 (CDT) Congratulations to the finishers of the Safari. I and my sister were taken out by the sweeper above Thompson, we survived, however we lost some gear, mainly a Petzl head lamp Zoom model, it had a block of foam glued to the battery pack to float it and our boat numer was written on the light (357) If any one found it please e-mail me. Boat #3711 Fuz Buster, we floated down to Thompson to take our boat out, on our way down we found some of your water jugs, contact us on getting your jugs back to you. Andrew Nelson #357 <andrew.n@juno.com> - Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 14:33:08 (CDT) What a blast. My first effort - at age 56. I missed my time at checkpoint 2 by 5 min - 9:05 pm - and was I ever glad to be disqualified. Don't know how you folks do it. Maybe you practice first. Just resting up didn't work. I figure Saturday was my first day of training for next year. Also, I got rolled under a log (boat and all) and lost my water. Need to learn a little finesse to avoid that next time. Wanted to throw my arms away Saturday night. Sunday I learned what a few gulps of the Guadalupe does to your innards. But - nice people, fun event, and beautiful scenery. My favorite was passing some pot-bellied, beer-drinking bubbas at a fish camp and they yelled, "Hey - that dude paddling is older than we are." Made my day. Congrats to all and thanks to the organizers and volunteers! Bob Brown # 13 <rdbrown@tamu.edu> - Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 13:23:04 (CDT) Mark, Mike Kiernan FINISHED (Way to Go MIKE!) Wednesday morning after getting caught in the bay by the high winds Tuesday night. I think he will have quite a story to tell you later along with several other boats that were out in the bay 10+ hours. As a note I would like to point out that sitting at Tivoli, I noticed alot of racers that dumped anything and everything for the last leg to seadrift, this included thermal blankets, Duct tape, lights, all thier food, spare paddles, first aid kits (except for one bandage to constitute the required kit) etc. The race is not over yet! If your stuck in the bay for 15 hours one little item like a thermal blanket that has the wieght of a gram or two could be the difference between finishing and popping a flare. Roy =:-) PS: Congrats Ohle's pride, but next time buy your team captain lots of cigaretts so she doesn't have to beg at ALL the checkpoints (just kidding, I only saw Evangline beg at two, but she gets very cranky without her cigarette fix). =;-) Roy Lewis <wwildchild@aol.com> - Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 13:02:00 (CDT) LOST!! 2 chairs at Seadrift under the pavillion. One red, one green. If found please let me know! I was just so glad to be leaving I forgot to check around for all of our stuff! We live in Austin but will travel to wherever they are. Thanks Tina Tina <TinaDrake@msn.com> - Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 12:20:22 (CDT) Ginger came in tuesday afternoon. NOt sure of exact time, but she came in smiling! You go girl! Josie <josiew@tca.net> College Station, tx USA - Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 10:48:21 (CDT) Any word on how Mike Kiernan did? We were with him off and on through Thomaston bridge, but then did not see him again. Hope he is o.k. and that he finished. Mark Mark Elvig <elvig@ev1.net> - Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 10:37:46 (CDT) Congradulations everyone! Did Norm make it in alright? FUMAR CHOCHAR MOPAR. If anyone finds a plastic bag with a tilly hat a pair of shoes and shorts and also this years safari shirt please let me know. In my post safari state I left those things by the hotel. thanks much pai ya. Jon Schoepflin <Jon.Schoepflin@Nextel.com> - Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 10:01:09 (CDT) Jack Monaco,, Aiieeeee We did it. Looks like we held fourth place strong. Cant call right now Condor hit the drain, needs a little air time brother. Girls are hot Maxwell Pilgrim - Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 09:57:44 (CDT) LOST LOST LOST my mind., somwhere between San Marcos and Seadrift. CONGRATS TO ALL FINISHERS. TO THOSE WHO DIDN'T, TRY TRY AGAIN. richard miller <richetel@yahoo.com> - Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 09:57:40 (CDT) Does anybody know why Phil Gumbert pulled out at Cuero 236? Not another electric fence I hope. Jeff v. Jeff V <verryp@yahoo.com> - Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 08:46:22 (CDT) Congratulations to everyone that finished the race. I have been tracking the progress of my friends Paul Solomon and Jeff Jouett. They finished the race this morning (Wednesday) at 1:18 AM. Apparently there were several boats that got to the bay last night just as the winds started to blow harder. Way to stick it out and make it to the finish line. I hope that the others made it in safely also. I am looking forward to hearing all of the wonderful and tragic river stories. Christian Christian Nelson <christian_nelson@chemtrace.com> - Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 08:20:21 (CDT) Somewhere along the river I Donated a Gel Seat to the river God. Anyone who finds it, consider it a gift. I did not notice much differance with or without it, except hte added weight... Clay Holland <Choll36042@aol.com > - Wednesday, June 13, 2001 at 06:01:58 (CDT) i was at seadrift this year watching the boats come would love a chane to run the river anyone need a new team member let me know i really want a chance to challenge myself skip ellis <driver50@awesomenet .net > - Tuesday, June 12, 2001 at 23:24:27 (CDT) Missing Paddle Just wondering if anyone found a graphite paddle with a metalic sticker advertising John Bugge Plumbing Business on it. Our boat Aluminum #113 turned into a submarine at the log jam above Thomasten Bridge (Mile 178?). Andrew and Holly's boat # 357 Novice and support team saved our butts by helping us get the boat out. The only thing we lost was our paddle, so I hoping someone turned it in to race officials. Thanks Stephen Mooney <moonman_1@hotmail.com> - Tuesday, June 12, 2001 at 14:21:39 (CDT) He is listed as DQed at Palmetto on the 'Results' section. Kevin Ellis <Trainwreck20@Hotmail.com> - Tuesday, June 12, 2001 at 14:09:52 (CDT) Has any one heard anything about the progress on Owen West or his where abouts????? Please reply Linda Hart <tequia172000@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, June 12, 2001 at 13:40:50 (CDT) Check this link out Mr. Rank 420- there are some great shots on there... http://geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/9073/tws2000/photoindex.htm The photographer posted the link to his pics further below on the billboard. Don't forget your Gar repellent next year either... Jack Monaco <jmsuperstar@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, June 12, 2001 at 12:29:22 (CDT) Oh yeah, my partner lost his wood and graph 'voyaguer' paddle at palmetto during the race, if anyone found it he sure would like it back, we'll pay shipping and throw in a nifty t-shirt as a poor mans reward. John Rank <CCFiberMan@Aol.com> - Tuesday, June 12, 2001 at 12:09:38 (CDT) This was my first year in the TWS, but not my last. Although we did not finish this year, we learned a LOT. Take real food, drink mix, a bandana and goggles, among other things. The guys with the coffee and warm spam had it goin' on. I was amazed how much fun can be had within the pain and exhaustion. Thanks to our sponsors and everyone who cheered and offered encouragement, crowds and racers alike. Also, anyone who has pictures of boat 420 please let me know, I would be willing to buy copies. John Rank <CCFiberMan@Aol.com> - Tuesday, June 12, 2001 at 11:53:00 (CDT) FUMAR COCHAR MOPAR!!!! Way to go fellas! Nice work number 9! No rest for the weary! Jon, everyone is bidding mad love for you guys! Jack Monaco <jmsuperstar@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, June 12, 2001 at 09:44:54 (CDT) Good job Shea-Dog. Way to shave the time down. Good job to you too, Jack. It must be hard to see such a gruesome sight at each checkpoint. Jeff V <verryp@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, June 12, 2001 at 08:22:55 (CDT) I just posted another update on the finishers (8:00 Tuesday morning). This should be accurate (hopefully) as of about 6:30 this morning. This will be the last update until sometime tonight. I'm heading down to the awards banquet ! Bob Brooks <kayaker@tamu.edu> - Tuesday, June 12, 2001 at 08:17:03 (CDT) Ginger where are you? Let me know when you come in. I know your out on the course but where? It might help to have the live cam show a list of people that have finished the race or dropped out. It could be updated when a boat comes in. I have been watching and I still don't know if Ginger is in. 6-8 hours between updates is a little much. Rich Hodgkins <Canoe@interaccess.com> - Tuesday, June 12, 2001 at 00:11:42 (CDT) I love the SafariCam, but is there a way to make the image larger, and do the prople on the beach know it is ther and where it is? (Is ther a sign telling them that it is the SafariCam?) Thanks Harvey Babb, it has been great being able to see the action from the comfort of my air-conditioning! - Monday, June 11, 2001 at 23:43:49 (CDT) Yeah, when are more results and splits going to be posted? All us guys who couldn't be there are wondering where everyone is..... Deb <thezel@satx.rr.com> - Monday, June 11, 2001 at 22:12:42 (CDT) Whwn will more results be posted? Thanks Terry Waite <tswaite@pacbell.net> - Monday, June 11, 2001 at 16:44:58 (CDT) Go Shea-dog! Mike we are thinking of you so much. Wish we were there with you on the river this year. Call us when you finish! Kirstin & Charlie Kirstin Brekken Shea <kbs@tamu.edu> - Monday, June 11, 2001 at 15:20:35 (CDT) this was my first attempt at the TWS missed the the second cut-off time by 15min but in the 12hrs I did run, I got a new respect for the sport and the poeple who compete in it, for me its time to regroup spend hrs and days on the river and be back next year!!!! The advice and encourgement I got from others made a big differance. One thing I did learn is figure all supplies you will need or want....then, remember you will have to carry it also!!!! I unloaded approx 20lbs before the first check point!!!!!!!!!! Again thanks for everyones help and support....Clay 5512 Clay Holland <Choll36042@aol.com > - Monday, June 11, 2001 at 10:53:32 (CDT) Finish Strong Eric and Carey! All are fine in Houston. Survived the floods with no damages. Call me when you finish. Dale Ruthven <dale.ruthven@anixter.com> - Monday, June 11, 2001 at 10:39:20 (CDT) Photographs of the 2001 TWS and 2000 TWS showing the staging area, starting line and Cottonseed Rapids are now available for viewing at: http://geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/9073/tws2000/photoindex.htm Enjoy, Paul Johnston KA5FYI Paul Johnston <kfyi@aol.com> - Sunday, June 10, 2001 at 15:41:43 (CDT) GOOD LUCK CLAY May you finish the race and know you've done it. Everyone here in PA is rooting for ya. LOVE SIS - all the way in PA. Diana Holland <Hollanddiana@aol.com> - Friday, June 08, 2001 at 19:56:08 (CDT) Please support Tom Goynes in his Texas Water Safari adventure and raising research funds for Kennedys Disease, A form of Muscular Dystrophy. Go here for the complete story. http://www.sanmarcosrecord.com/sports/ Terry Waite <tswaite@pacbell.net> - Friday, June 08, 2001 at 19:39:27 (CDT) A broadly held and legitimate concern: The Mynar and Bugge monster boats are starting well behind "a hundred" other boats. A 1600 boat travelling 8-10 mph is a potentially lethal missle, difficult to turn and to stop. We have a precedent when a comparable rowing hull ran over and killed the paddler of a small boat. Last year 2 smaller boats were sternhooked and damaged, and had to make repairs, in the start. The Mynars have a reputation for picking their way through the start. Bugge, who is otherwise a gentleman and certainly a leader of our community, ran over one small boat and rammed a second one, putting it out of the race, in the recent "Gnarly." We could well have damaged boats and injured/maimed paddlers in what should otherwise be our "best-ever" Safari. Many believe that, because of this clear risk to other paddlers, the monster boats should all be started first/second row. This resolves this safety issue and will make no difference in the 260 mile finish. Because of this very real danger, many TC's and spectators will have still and video cameras to record the start. Paddlers will also take notes after the start of any incidents on the river. Sternhooking and ramming/damaging other boats are violations of Safari rules and grounds for dq and should be reported to appropriate officials. Have a wonderful safe race, all. John Stockwell <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Friday, June 08, 2001 at 07:19:06 (CDT) It's been more years than I thought since we were doing the Safari and I've taken up diving which doesn't hurt as much. Big diving event this weekend as well, so we won't be at Aquarena... but I just want to say "Hi" to old buddies, wish everyone a safe and successful race, and say it's good to see the Safari thriving. Rod Ellis <freman2@aol.com> - Friday, June 08, 2001 at 07:19:00 (CDT) You know what they say about guys with big numbers on there boat..... Good luck to all in this years race..... Greg Klausmeyer <hammer1@pdq.net> - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 15:43:07 (CDT) It's too late to complain, but that great picture reminded me of the two weeks I spent last year trying to identify all the people in boats that had small numbers or NO numbers. With over a hundred entered this year, I won't have a prayer of figuring it out so.... I have threatened to just make 'em up! If your number isn't the size of a small country or was put on at the last minute and washes off before one of the vidoegraphers gets a good shot of you, don't be surprised to read yours as Bigge Booty (sorry, I mean, Bigge Boaty), Lilly Liver, Garr Repellante, Slippe Knott, or Hitte A. Bigrock. Thanks for trying hard. See you soon and have a great race! Pat Pat <pgunnsco@thegateway.net> - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 13:06:18 (CDT) BushDive Productions is proud to announce the premier, Thursday, June 7th at 6:30pm of "The World's Toughest Boat Race To Document". The showing will be at the Green Parrot, on the square, downtown SanMarcos. We want to thank everyone who cooperated in this production. A second showing will be held on Friday at the same location, also at 6:30. Good luck to everyone this year. Brian Mayr <bamayr@hotmail.com> - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 12:38:54 (CDT) Two more days and the river going to look like this again!!!
- Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 11:51:59 (CDT) cold water is it? Well then West you shall have it and we'll wait until you drag your bum into Seadrift where I'll hold hostage the beer you crave until you can provide a reasonable explantion for your desire to have Stockwell's tax dollars spent by Hillary Clinton to fund safe sex devices for gar fish, medicaid for bohemians and stipends for enviro-wackos in west BF Sri Lanka. While I'm on the subject, If you happen to see Stockwell passing by you'll either be 1) off schedule and 2) having an indecent fantasy that is best cured by remembering what he looks like in that hat. Get some sleep. Lee <txpaddler@aol.com> - Thursday, June 07, 2001 at 01:33:45 (CDT) I tried the REI gar repellent last weekend. I got a horrible rash on my personels. Does anybody know where I can get some that Enviro? Don Backer <dbacker123@earthlink.com> - Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 23:05:40 (CDT) I rubbed Freedumb Gar Repellent over my entire body, and not one gar jumped in the boat or attacked me. Man, that stuff works good. Vance <gvj4@hotmail.com> - Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 18:22:06 (CDT) If you don't like the Freedom mix try the Dr. Bronner all natural peppermint gar-reep-ell. Won't irritate the skin like the other gar repellants and works like a charm. I had an instance just last week below swing bridge when nature called...was dangling my participle over the gunnel when I noticed a particularly large gar preparing to strike. As his ugly protuberance broke the surface of the water, he caught a whiff of that gawd awful peppermint and swam off with a whimper. "I'm not talkin' bout yer college courses, I am talkin' bout garrin'!" Wayne Keishnik <cabesadecasa@austin360.com> - Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 16:47:57 (CDT) How picky are the Judges on your check in list? Do have to list every little item or can you just list items in a board category like repair kit or first aid kit? Paul Ohlemacher ?Ohle?s Pride? Paul Ohlemacher - Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 16:25:13 (CDT) I went to REI and all they had was the Freedom stuff that nobody seems to like. Where else can I find some garr reppelent? Sara Micheals <saratmichealstx@yahoo.com> - Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 14:30:26 (CDT) West, I believe our Team Captain can take yours 3 out of 5 in a Gar eating contest. He also imported the finest natural spring water for our team { TEAM GRUMPY OLD MEN } Watch for NAUGHERS hiding just under the surface, waiting to getcha. I've found, a good coat of INDUSTRAIL STRENGTH NAUGHER WAX will help you slid right over them bad boys.It just so happens that I have an extra can that I could let go real cheap. Good Luck on your quest to beat the SUPER TANKERS. Keep the slick side down and the open side up. See ya at the race dude. Richard Miller <richetel@yahoo.com> - Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 09:24:06 (CDT) I would like to make contact with anyone that knows Donna (Hendrickson) Oliver. She would be 70 years old, graduated from Bremerton HS, WA in 1948. Married Bill Oliver who has since died. Know of one child, Mike Oliver. I went to school with her in 9th and 10th grades. Jeannine Buechner <gmajean30@yahoo.com> - Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 09:03:46 (CDT) Whether it works or not, I'm one to always hedge my bets and give something a try a time or three. I'll hunt some of that Gar repellent down at check in and give it a shot. While we're on the subject, has anyone got any info about sting ray repellent or Gator-be-gone? How about a Monster boat antibiotic? BTW: Team Swan Slayer has the best dag-dabbed captain known to the english speaking world. While he may smell bad and look worse, he's been known to knock down whole trees to get to the bank in time to schlep us undeserved swines with the purest and coldest water on earth, while issuing sneers and life threatening statements to cowering support crews attached to our competition. Plus, he's a closet tree hugging, tax and spend, welfare friendly liberal in need of a group hug. Feel the love. --West West Hansen <west@jump.net> - Wednesday, June 06, 2001 at 00:53:04 (CDT) this is not the place for your bickering just advice and opinions not a slam fest it's to close to the race to focus on anything but info and fun!! If any body want's to send any product to test, send me the info off line and our Adventure Racing Teams will test it and give you a the real scoop on these products. Doug Pruitt <MusclePerformance@hotmail.com> - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 22:34:10 (CDT) Dr. Jane Doeth, We have had representatives of our organization involved in numerous extended exposure, ultra marathon events. Specifically the Yukon River Quest and the Texas Water Safari. I can tell you first hand that the signs and symptoms you've described are very real!!! These types of ailments pose a significant threat to paddlers that chose to ignore such precautionary measures as Gar repellant. However, I would like to offer a word of warning... Mixing the standard Gar repellant with some brands of UV block have been found to have potentiation. Potentiation is the enhancement of one drug by another. Plainly stated, the side effects of the "standard" Gar juice could could be untoward. That is why we developed our enviromentaly friendly product. All ingrediants are natural and we maintain a 100% satisfaction rate. Sincerely, John Eod CEO EnviroDerm John Eod <enviroderm@hotmail.com> - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 19:56:40 (CDT) Dear Mr. Balley, I am sorry that you had a negative experience with our GAR REPELL product. Although coincidental, our product line seems to be receiving some negative press at the Texas Water Safari. Freedom Products has been making quality repellent and outdoor skin care products for over thirty years. We tailor our products for outdoorsmen such as you. Our products are designed and tested to be effective but also long lasting and comfortable. Freedom products would like to send you a case of our varied repellent and skin care products so you can once again enjoy the high quality of our line. Please email directly with your address and we will promptly overnight deliver your case of Freedom products. To you and all of your fellow racers, enjoy the race and Freedom. Phillips, Wilson <freedomproducts@hotmail.com> - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 19:29:06 (CDT) WEST I HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT HOW BOATS FINISHING AND LINING UP AT THE START HAVE ANY THING TO DO WITH OUR PRESIDENT SAVING US FROM THE NVA, OR OIL PRICES , OR ANY OTHER POLITICS. I THINK , MAYBE, YOU WERE DRINKING TOO MANY BEERS AND NOT EATING ENOUGH BURGERS WHEN YOU POSTED YOUR MESSAGE. ONE OTHER THING, I'M SURE GLAD I DON'T HAVE YOUR TEAM CAPTAIN. I PART WITH SOME WORDS OF WISDOM YOU MIGHT APPRECIATE. I'LL ALWAYS BE NUMBER 1 TO MYSELF. HAVE A SAFE RACE DUDE AND MAY YOU ACCOMPLISH ALL YOUR GOALS. Richard Miller <richetel@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 18:51:25 (CDT) I used the Freedom stuff and it sucked. It washes off in about an hour. What is the point of having something in the water if it washes off? Freedom is a waste of 3 dolars. Dave <daveballey@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 17:34:51 (CDT) I went to REI to get some gar repellent. The only type they had was REI brand. WHere else can I get some? Bill Boss <williamrboss@ix.netcom.com> - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 17:31:54 (CDT) Word is the Coast Guard maybe out looking for overloaded, illegal boats in the bay, better brush up on your Coast Guard regs (side running lights etc) all you long boats. mike stinson <stinsonmike@hotmail.com> - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 17:09:00 (CDT) None of thet Gar repellant is going to work on what I seen.......down below Victoria.....It was ...It was...GARZILLA.....AIEEEEEEEE! John Ledbetter <Johnmoretime@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 16:58:58 (CDT) Gar repellent? Against a gar bite? scratch from fins or scales? eating gar balls? Has anyone in the history of the Safari ever been bitten by a gar? I know of broken ribs... I've crawled around bayous my whole life and can't remember anyone ever being bitten by a gar? I used to bowhunt them quite a bit and can't ever remember even being nicked by their teeth. I guess the new fear is GarAIDS... I think I'll worry about the fire ants... Suck it up and PADDLE CaptJack Krohn <captjack@ev1.net> - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 15:13:29 (CDT) The issue of Lyme disease passed on by Gar is no laughing matter. Despite the issues raised in the March 2000 article in Yale University's newsletter, more people were infected with Lyme disease by Gar than ticks in both 1999 and 2000. It is estimated than over 90% of Gar are now carriers of Lyme disease. I have completed the TWS twice and know how aggressive Gar can be. They actively strike at lights. A small investment in repellent is worth not having a 20 wk antibiotic plan that is almost worse that the disease. Dr Mark Manning <DrMManning@hotmail.com> - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 14:41:47 (CDT) John L, I hope the team captain of your boat the lynchburg Rangers plans on handing out lots of "samples" at the checkpoints to the spectators and team captains. It would be sad for your team to paddle 260 miles and not truly get the "word" out about saving the Jack Daniels distillery. Also I've never tried the Green label Jack Daniels, will both black and green labels be available at the checkpoints or are you going to alternate?? rick waters - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 14:13:12 (CDT) gar repellent? turkey repellent. what's available for these goats down near tivoli? http://www.geocities.com/team_kloesel/16goats.jpg david kloesel <david_kloesel@hotmail.com> - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 14:10:48 (CDT) Who ever heard of Gar Repellent? The best defense against a GAR fish is just a smack with the paddle. This method is also effective when dealing with water turkeys. Often during the safari you can also use the same method (a paddle smack) to determine if the herbavores encountered along the journey belong to a rich or poor man. If the herbavore cowers at the sound of a paddle smack against the water, it is a rich man's cow. If the cow shows little or no sign of disturbance it is likely that this animal aint going nowhere and most likely belongs to a poor man. Maxwell Pilgrim <MP1@hotmail.com> - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 13:51:19 (CDT) I take exception to Dr. Doeth's assertion that our line of repellant products, particularly the Gar version, are a low value because of a reduced concentration of the active ingredient. Anyone who has studied the literature understands that concentrations above 14.5% offer no increased efficacy, they present only increased incidences of local irritation and higher cost to the consumer. So, by all means, if you want to pay more money to get a skin rash, be my guest. Dr. Doeth has a twisted sense of 'value' I think. I might also note that our product comes in an aloe base that helps condition the skin as well, unlike competing products. So take your pick. And, please, Dr. Doeth, do you homework before you slander a product in a public forum. Phillips, Wilson <FreedomProducts@hotmail.com> - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 11:59:30 (CDT) Due to the large number of boats in the Safari this year, The Lynchburg Rangers ( dedicated to the preservation of Jack Daniels distillery inc. boat # 1866 ) have revised our start line stratagy. We think we are still within the rules using this new method. At the sound of the starting gun, we intend to jump up and portage across the flotilla to the front therby avoiding the massive jam at the first bridge. Does anyone see a possible conflict with the rules on this one? John Ledbetter <johnmoretime@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 10:41:20 (CDT) Lee, slo down a tic. Some of us did fight (unlike u and recent 2 presidents) to defend West's right to be concerned about fuel and the environment. (And your right to call West names, in however poor taste.) Let's all have a great race, in our wonderful country where we have the margins, those who haven't been laid off in the cutbacks, to indulge in such challenges. Have a wonderful wonderful race, all. J 3-wars Stockwell <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 08:32:50 (CDT) Good news. A wonderful TC promptly steppef forward for Tore. john stockwell <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 08:22:55 (CDT) In a recent follow up to the article Could Ticks Transmit the West Nile-like Virus? on the ADLF (American Lyme Disease Foundation) web site, http://www.aldf.com/, Dr. Joseph Piesman discussed how a species of fish can now be a carrier of Lyme disease. Dr Peisman shows that Gar that eat ticks carrying the Lyme disease could end up becoming secondary carriers. He goes on the state that the chain is similar to how ticks become secondary carriers when they feed on dead birds that have been infected by mosquitoes carrying the West Nile Virus. Dr Piesman goes on to say that the best treatment is prevention. ?The cost of Gar repellent far out ways the signs and symptoms that follow.? His statements harshly condemned the attempts of the Yale University to down play the infection rates in the US caused by Gar. Signs and Symptoms include: Early Stage: joint pains, chills, fever, and fatigue Interim Stage: severe fatigue, a stiff, aching neck, and peripheral nervous system (PNS) involvement such as tingling or numbness in the extremities or facial palsy (paralysis) can occur. Later Stage: severe headaches, painful arthritis and swelling of joints, cardiac abnormalities, and central nervous system (CNS) involvement leading to cognitive (mental) disorders. After reading this article and several more like it, I became concerned when I found out that my husband was planning to race in the Texas Water Safari again. I did some research to find out what brand of Gar repellent has the best efficacy. Most brands all had the same active ingredient in different level of concentration. REI has the highest the concentrated, 99%, but the bottle had several health warnings on it. Freedom has a lower level of concentration and is also the worse value. Techno has the best dollar for dollar value. EnviraDerm has an ?environmentally friendly? active ingredient that does not have any health warnings associated with it. I do not know how well it works. I hope this information helps out the other wives and TCs. If anyone has any other information please email me and pass on your information. Dr Jane Doeth <DrJaneDoeth@hotmail.com> - Tuesday, June 05, 2001 at 08:22:29 (CDT) Dear West: would you like to have some nice salt water to drink at Cheapside? Now do you think you can save your errant commie pinko prattle about our fine President and veteran of the armed services until after the race? You're just jealous because he got to fly jets. Keeping those three supertankers behind you is your business this week. Speaking of things oil & gas related, I plan to burn one hell of a lot of dino-juice in YOUR 454 ci. powered one-ton 4-door pick'em up truck. Kiss a tree for me eco-baby. Hugs and kisses, Your Team Captain Lee <txpaddler@aol.com> - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 22:48:30 (CDT) Since an official finish is noted when the bow of a boat hits the finish line in Seadrift, does it stand to reason that the bow of the boat is needed to be positioned behind it's designated starting position, or should we count an official finish when the stern of a boat passes the finish line in Seadrift, thereby allowing boats to line up anywhere along their designated positions, or should we require all teams to carry a set of clubs and complete 18 holes along the route and trust our fearless leader (who bravely defended Texas from the North Viet Cong) to lead us out of this tragic energy crisis by assuring the poor oil companies make a bootie full of dough from a wasteland formerly known as ANWAR..., but I digress... Good luck everybody and if you're no longer having fun, then QUIT and go get a burger and a beer. --West West Hansen <west@jump.net> - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 22:22:51 (CDT) Hopefully no one will need this tip: But, a) I have seen some duct tape patches that really didn't work very well and b) have managed to repair 2 boats (one my own, one a friend's) sufficiently that the patches were bone-dry and sufficiently strong as to be semi-permanent... and were left on for months until it was convenient to redo the boat formally. In about one hour, with one roll of duct tape, you should be able to restore a solo or tandem that has been broken completely in two sufficiently confidently to finish. The key is crosshatching the duct tape, putting on 3 layers. First, match the halves or pull the broken parts together to restore the boat's contour as best you can. Put maybe 4-6 short pieces of duct tape on to keep it in place while you work on it. Then lay strips of tape on the outside latitudinally (to the hull) and overlapping across the wound to seal it. Use quite a bit of tape. Go well beyond the wound or breaks. Then lay overlapping strips longitudinally so they cover the entire wound/breaks, extending well beyond it. Then lay on another layer of latitudinal strips, beginning aft of the break, overlapping, that run from gunnel to gunnel, folding over the gunnels. You will be amazed at how tough these are... you can jump logs (carefully) and hit gravel bars w/o ripping them off. Several layers of duct tape that run lengthways, molded over the gunnels, are surprisingly effective at restoring the gunnels. You can of course goop the broken gunnels with 5 min epoxy first. Interestingly, this does not add to the weight of the boat... you already had the duct tape and epoxy on board. It will interfere a little to the boat's efficiency but not enough to prohibit a good pace. In one of the boats I was able to devise a keelson of an oak branch. The result was rock solid... later I ran the bay, Rio Vista, and Cottonseed 2x before I finally fixed the boat properly. Good luck, all. When quitting is not an option. john stockwell <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 21:48:24 (CDT) I mean with OUT the expense of seat slides. philip fry - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 17:35:26 (CDT) Does anyone have ideas for trimming an alluminum canoe with the expense of seat slides. And could you explaint he concept. Philip Fry <fryphilip@hotmail.com> - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 17:34:08 (CDT) A ladder has magically appeared at Cuero Dam. I wonder how it got there? Possibly a ladder fairy left it there. There was also a piece of carpet, neatly rolled, and laying at the base of the wall.. Maybe its a magic carpet the fairy flew in on.. I hope its still there next Sunday morning. Also, if you know any RAIN DANCES or RAIN GODS, you might dance or ask for a few showers. The river is dropping fast. I part with these words of wisdom. You learn you can do your best even when it's hard, even when your tired and hurting. It feels good to shw some courage. MAY GOOD LUCK BE WITH ALL US CRAZY PEOPLE. See ya next Sat. morn. Richard Miller <richetel@yahoo.com> - Sunday, June 03, 2001 at 10:05:35 (CDT) just got through reading the statistics for this year and visualized the crowd that willl be there friday with the number of entries......thought back to 1978 when i entered in our aluminum canoe with our rucksack full of chef boyardee ravioli, must have weighed at least fifty pounds....remembered how scared and excited i was, thinking about winning....we were first at the start because back then position was by when you signed up....and after the gun went off we were fifty yards behind everyone after about twenty strokes...how do you guys do that?... ....remembered the frustration of tipping in cottenseed rapids in front of all those people, the two day hallucinations, no water from above cuero to victoria.....and the amazing feeling of finishing and the warm welcome from tom goynes who was officiating that year, i think...i think 13-15 finished that year....anyway, i realize it is going to be real busy this friday, so i thought this would be a good way to thank all you volunteers in advance, starting with you, linda....it just wouldn't happen without you.........next, to all you amazing real racers who i will never see until you step up on stage at the tail end of the awards ceremony: congratulations, i admire and respect you .....to any rookie, good luck, i hope your experience is truly rewarding.......to you team captains and river bank cheering people, God bless you everyone, your support is beautiful......to all you who have passed the tradition down in your families, keep it up, it's a great thing........what a wonderful thing we are going to be blessed to be able to do in just a week!......and finally, whoever did the prayer last year at the start did a great jo Norm Thomas <norm@hilliardandmunoz.com> - Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 16:29:09 (CDT) Just to set the record straight, Sandy and I will be paddling and Paula will be on the bank. We've done the family thing once and that, I think, was sufficient. If anyone wants to contribute to a good cause get in touch with me or Susanne Waite. Tom Goynes <goynes@centurytel.net> - Friday, June 01, 2001 at 21:51:22 (CDT) Go Tom, Sandy and Paula Goynes!!! Tom, Sandy and Paula are paddling not only as athletes and for a personal challenge, but also for Kennedy's Disease. Kennedy's Disease is, currently a non-curable and non-treatable, progressive neuro-muscular disease. Tom is paddling with sponsors routing him on, pledging varying amounts per mile, to help to Kennedy's Disease Association in their goals to raise funds for research, education of the public and medical communities and supporting those living with Kennedy's Disease. If you would like to make a pledge or donation to support Tom, please email us or visit www.kennedysdisease.org Susanne Waite <Tswaite@pacbell.net> - Friday, June 01, 2001 at 18:04:21 (CDT) Roy , I agree only because I think it would take more time to be reading the gps and therfore take up paddle strokes. What I think we should have is some guys to stay infront of you with flypaper on them to take up some of those Dive bomb moths eh? Jon Schoepflin - Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 17:30:42 (CDT) Arnold, I emailed the waypoints to you, however as I noted I don't understand why anyone would want to waste their time playing around with a gps, and extra batteries, except perhaps to navigate the bay or alligator lake at night. I know it's currently legal for the TWS and I could see how it would be nice to look at the speed, and river distance to the next checkpoint if you had a track loaded, but I was curious if others feel like I do that perhaps they should be banned in the future? Roy =:-) Roy Lewis <wwildchild@aol.com> - Thursday, May 31, 2001 at 14:34:45 (CDT) We made a run from luling 90 to palmetto on Monday this week. We only had to portage on one or two log jams. When you get to the back water from the luling dam there is a sharp turn to the left and the river appears to end? Actually the river was running under a 20 to 30 foot long floating crud jam on the left that we were able to paddle through. Some of the big fast boats may ram all the crud out of this during the race. Be careful at the palmetto low water bridge. At the current river level you can't run over it or under it. It may be safest to hop out of your boat and lead it tight against the right bank. Don't let it get sideways to the bridge or you may never see it again. tom pope <awn-siter@lycos.com> - Wednesday, May 30, 2001 at 23:56:46 (CDT) We made a night run last Sat. The same 2 nasty little log jams were all we found. We ran from Palmetto to Gonzo gravel bar. The 2 jams are about 20 min. or so above Gonzo 90 bridge. Richard Miller <richetel@yahoo.com> - Wednesday, May 30, 2001 at 19:18:49 (CDT) We made a night run last Sat. The same 2 nasty little log jams were all we found. Richard Miller <richetel@yahoo.com> - Wednesday, May 30, 2001 at 19:11:23 (CDT) Any word on Log Jams? I've seen three so far: one before Luling Dam and two Jams (back to back) after Slayden about 7 or 8 miles down river... Paul Ohlemacher - Wednesday, May 30, 2001 at 16:26:24 (CDT) Does anyone have the waypoints for all the checkpoints along the route? Arnold Gomez <gomezarnold@hotmail.com> - Tuesday, May 29, 2001 at 12:31:26 (CDT) I've got to back Roy Lewis, altho his success with the little kayak might not apply to everyone, hence also Lee. I drafted Roy for awhile below Palmetto. His kayak turned much better than it tracked, every few beats he would have to add extra strokes and muscle it back in line. This would discourage most. But, his engines rev notalittle faster, irrespressible spirit, salty songs pasted on the deck to sing as he flew along!Fun, tough dude, will finish in anything he chooses to paddle. john stockwell <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 22:27:48 (CDT) My dad and I did a training run this weekend from Westerfield Crossing to Staples and from Palmetto to Slayden Cemetery Road. Just a few observations that may assist others who have not had a chance to run those sections. The river was running under Westerfield at a level that left five "rings" on the bridge supports visible. That will be a good gauge to see if the river is significantly higher or lower in two weeks. The section to Cottonseed is unremarkable although there were some tall standing waves at Old Mill Rapids and Broken Bone Rapids. We approached Cottonseed and stayed to the right as we turned the corner immediately at the rapids. We even got into a small eddy and were able to slow before hitting the rapids. We then went straight ahead through the "V" a little on the right side if anything. There was a slightly submerged rock in front of the "V" and an exposed rock to its right. We split those and then headed left of the exposed rock in front of us (they form a small triangle). No problem and very little effort to keep the boat on line. I would suggest this line in similar water levels. After Cottonseed there were no problems to Martindale Dam. Just below Martindale Dam is a low water crossing. We were able to clear below the bridge but the water is rushing very fast and there is not a lot of clearance. You are going to have to kneel or duck down to get under the bridge and look out for some obstructions immediately below the bridge and get around them to the left. FM 1979 (the tall MArtindale Bridge) is blocked except for a channel on the far left. It is clear after that to Staples Dam. At Palmetto, the river (at 2:00 p.m.)was just a couple of inches above the top of the bridge. Therefore, the bridge at this river level will have to be portaged (oh what fun that is at night). Below the bridge, there is a tree down after the first two big bends, but it is passable under the tree trunk on the far right. After this, there is a section of the river following a sharp left turn (about 45 minutes for the average paddler) littered with obstacles. It is not necessary to get out of the boat but please take caution to go through this section (^1/4 mile - ^1/2 mile long). After that one section, it is clear to Slayden Bridge. One other observation, I went by Luling City Park (Zedler Dam) and there is a big obstruction just downstream of the dam. There is a lot of current and most of it carries you right. However, there is a big tree down across the right side and the truck was half submerged meaning there was at least one foot of trunk above the water line. As of this river level, you cannot go right and with the rapid current it will be very dangerous if you do. It is possible to stay to the far left (watch the current pushing right) and get under the branches without getting out of the boat or portage if necessary. Just be careful. That is all I have seen. Hope it helps and good luck in the race. Mark Elvig <elvig@ev1.net> - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 20:46:43 (CDT) Right on Richard! (monday, may 28). I have always said it is better to die living! Ted Slaughter <TEDTBSSS@AOL.COM> - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 20:07:00 (CDT) Far better to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even thjough checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much, nor suffer much, because they live in the grey twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat Richard Miller <richetel@yahoo.com> - Monday, May 28, 2001 at 10:41:52 (CDT) I am interested in a used Wenonah Advantage or Voyager in kevlar ultralight. Any leads out there? Good luck in the race! Dave Bartell <dbart@lcc.net> - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 15:56:45 (CDT) Hello Everyone, A lot has been said about kayaks on the safari. Well I've done the Safari in 97, 99, and 2000. Coming in 4th, not finishing and coming in 4th place again in the solo unlimited division. All with the same 58 pound sea kayak. It's heavy, takes alot of punishment, but fast. The portages are a killer, specially at night on a high bank, alone. If you deside to do the Safari in a kayak, solo, be in good mind, be determined, prepared and prepared for anything, for it is not for the weak minded, weak body, weak anything. Oh did I say I weight only 160 lbs after a very very good meal. Still wish they would have a Trophy for kayaks or first thru fifth in each catagory. Well see you at the race. I'll be there in my Safari Battle Cruiser. Thomas M. Thomas Mendenhall <the.mendenhalls@prodigy.net> - Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 12:49:00 (CDT) I am using a ten watt/12 volt light. I will either use two six volt alkaline batteries or one 12 volt alkaline battery. Any ideas on how many hours of use I can expect to get?? tom pope <awn-siter@lycos.com> - Saturday, May 26, 2001 at 01:42:15 (CDT) Thanks to all for the informative responses and encouragement. It seems the difference between finishing and finishing early might be using a long, fast, narrow, lightweight custom boat designed for the Safari. Perhaps one who entered to finish in a "short, heavy, slow" plastic kayak would be more interested in personal satisfaction rather than competition to be "the winner". I note that Thomas M., for one, finished in quite a respectable time last year, in a kayak heavier than mine. Of course, some might scoff at the chances for someone in such a boat who also remembers hearing about the first water safari as a high school kid in the early sixties, and wanting to try it someday. Time will tell. I know a lot more now than when I asked, and I appreciate it. mike Michael Peck <pecks@wimberley-tx.com> - Friday, May 25, 2001 at 10:25:27 (CDT) Hey, my goal right now is just to get to the starting line! This boat rigging is tough stuff! Ginger PS I found a team captain. Ginger Turner <gingerct@juno.com> - Wednesday, May 23, 2001 at 17:05:23 (CDT) Paul, your first goal should be to be safe. In mountain climbing we have a saying, "there are bold climbers and there are old climbers, but there are no old bold climbers." The same could be said for TWS racers. Over time no one finishes all the TWS's they enter, but finish or not those will be some of the best times you will ever have. Be safe and have fun dude. And remember that a team an hour ahead of you could be sick as dogs tommorrow. mike stinson <stinsonmike@hotmail.com> - Wednesday, May 23, 2001 at 14:29:22 (CDT) Hello, I'm in desperate need of a captain. Is there anyone who would be interested? My wife, Joy, normally does it but she has a commitment on Sunday night. Joy is willing to handle the duties through Sunday noon. The last couple of years I finished in the 75 hour range (uugg!!). I expect to be on that lightning pace again this year. I need a captain from Sunday until Tuesday. I will reimburse all expenses. I would appreciated any interested inquiry. Thanks in advance. My home phone is 713-669-0964. Michael Keirnan <mikek@themerchantnet.com> - Wednesday, May 23, 2001 at 14:07:44 (CDT) Goals are a funny thing... I first started out in January with the Goal of winning my class and setting records. I was in shape (could run a sub 5 minute mile) and I had six months to train. I had a realized that my goals may not be realistic goal when started to train on the San Marcos with an solo unlimited (a true safari boat) that could leave us a will and did but luckily John would wait for us at key locations. Couple of weeks later and after a full day of paddling we took out of Luling Dam and watched Team Green Wolf run thru that portage and back into the river less than a minute. I was/am very impressed. They also beat us by an hour in a 32-mile race, which we paddled strong (my opinion). Since have started looking for new goals. My Main Goal is to finish this Race, which is hard for me to say, ?My Goal is just to finish the Race?. Being competitive person and not use to anything less than first place, only having four boats in my class (Standard), I would now take forth place smiling ear to ear. I have mini goals, like getting to Palmetto before 9. After that I am thinking I just look forward to getting to Gonzales, then Hochheim, then Cuero, and so on. But most of all My Goal is not have a DNF next to my name. Paul Ohlemacher "Ohle's Pride" Paul Ohlemacher - Wednesday, May 23, 2001 at 10:51:46 (CDT) To all TWS contestants. If you set a goal for yourself and are able to achieve it, you have won your race. Your goal can be to come in first, to improve your performance, or just finish the race---it's up to you. GOOD LUCK on your quest. Richard Miller <richetel@yahoo.com> - Wednesday, May 23, 2001 at 09:59:28 (CDT) Drear Roy, read again what I wrote. My comments were reasonable, qualified and good sound advice that I stick by. Congratulations to you for beating the odds. Lee Lee Deviney <txpaddler@aol.com> - Wednesday, May 23, 2001 at 00:22:53 (CDT) any word out there for current river conditions between dupont and tivoli checkpoints? i am planning to run this tomorrow, thought i'd check the billboard for current data. thanks. javier garza <ajgarza@2fords.net> - Tuesday, May 22, 2001 at 20:08:09 (CDT) And the seagulls they'll be smiling.And the rocks on the sand Will proudly stand,The hour that the ship comes in. And the words that are used For to get the ship confused Will not be understood as they're spoken.For the chains of the sea Will have busted in the night And will be buried at the bottom of the ocean Maxell Pilgrim <noemail@noemail.com> - Tuesday, May 22, 2001 at 12:19:28 (CDT) DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO REACH CHRISTIAN NELSON? I have read Christian Nelson's Last to start, Last to finish write up about TWS 2000 and have found it very helpful. I tried sending him an email at nelson@dtm-corp.com but it was returned, does anyone know if that email address is no longer valid? If anyone can please tell me how I can reach Christian Nelson that would be very helpful. Thank you. Joseph Olson <joe@universalexplorer.com> - Tuesday, May 22, 2001 at 11:30:33 (CDT) TEXAS WATER SAFARI PARTNER NEEDED ASAP! Here is my "sad, too bad" story. In March, I and a partner decided to participate in TWS 2001, as a novice team. Leasing an Alumacraft in May only to have my partner unable to participate due to a back injury. My dilemma was temporarily solved when a new partner was found. After six weeks of good training runs, including The Texas River Marathon and capturing 3rd place novice award at "the bay" race and much preparation I thought my team was ready. My teammate backed out and now I am in need of a partner for the 2001 Texas Water Safari. Anyone in a similiar situation, or interested in participating this year, please call me at (210) 240.8975. Chris Hutchings (210) 240.8975 mobile Chris Hutchings <evgr@earthlink.net> - Tuesday, May 22, 2001 at 08:35:11 (CDT) I'm looking for a fairly lightweight double blade paddle to use as a spare during the safari. Does anyone have one laying around that they need to sell for under $40? tom pope <awn-siter@lycos.com> - Tuesday, May 22, 2001 at 00:50:45 (CDT) Roy, I don't blame you for being irked at the start, but those obnoxious comments that you'd NEVER finish the race in your little red kayak were probably made either by non-Safari paddlers trying to impress someone with their wealth of bad manners and ignorance or people who hadn't followed many Water Safaris. Marie McKay finished the race two or three times in a little red kayak that looked a lot like yours only shorter, and she didn't always have high water and youth on her side. For her fifth finish, she switched to a recreational canoe maybe 16'6" long. She thought she'd died and gone to heaven the race was so much easier. There are always boats and paddlers that finish who look like they won't make it out of the park...but they are the exceptions and there were definitely a lot more exceptions in 2000 than in previous years...hence the highest finish rate ever. The advice offered gave a better shot at a finish under most conditions for most paddlers by telling Mike if he had ANY choice other than his short kayak, grab his second choice with gusto and never look back! Anyone who's been around awhile will tell anyone else who asks that finishing it in a short kayak is just about the least promising, most punishing way to finish that anyone can dream up, but it is possible. The success rate increases slightly if the paddlers who try it are young, insanely committed, have high water....or.... are just as tough and determined as sweet little Marie McKay. Pat Pat Gunn-Spencer <pgunnsco@thegateway.net> - Monday, May 21, 2001 at 23:58:14 (CDT) Hi, Boater Dude, No, it's not too late to change your class even if you've already signed up...But you lose your place in the starting line-up regardless of whether you were assigned your spot according to your finish in the prelim race or by your postmark. Being moved further back in the line-up is not the end of the world in a race this long, but you do need to do it soon. Contact the same people who registered you and ask them what to do. Pat Pat <pgunnsco@thegateway.net> - Monday, May 21, 2001 at 23:05:35 (CDT) Oh the time will come up, and the winds will stop. and the breeze will cease to be breezin' like the stillness in of the wind, before the huricane roles in, the hour that the ships come in..... and the seas will rise, they'll be water to our eyes, and the sharks will Bee Gin they're feeding.. and the crowd will sound while the waves do pound, and the Seaaaaa Drifftt Weeellllll beeeeee seeeeeee in. Maxwell Pilgrim <MP1@config.com> - Monday, May 21, 2001 at 13:41:04 (CDT) Roy, Thank goodness for high water. There were quite a few boats that would not have been able to finish at a normal or low water level. After looking at your split times, i wonder. I think Lee was simply stating that recreational,touring,sea kayaks or canoes don't fair well in a normal to low water TWS. I don't know how many times you have ran or finished the TWS , but you did finish last year. Good job and hope to see you on the river. Richard Miller <richetel@yahoo.com> - Monday, May 21, 2001 at 13:29:34 (CDT) Lee, See now that's the kind of comment that irked me even the day before last years TWS. I heard things like "That's a recreational kayak, it'll never finish." I believe there were AT LEAST two kayaks that I would consider to be recreational last year that finished in the top 4 of men solos. Out of 21 solos that started there was that cute red 13' fiberglass decked Seda Dart in 3rd place(68:37) and a seakayak paddled by Thomas M. in 4th place (72:25) solo unlimited (I can't quite remember what Norm T was paddling in 2nd place). It's good to make new-commers aware of the realities of what the true risks are, but I hope that on check-in day people don't go up to someone's boat, and infront of the paddler of that boat say things like, oh there is no way this boat will finish, like they did to me. People told me that flat out last year and I heard people say the same thing about a two man alluminum canoe that had everything from gormet dehydrated meals to a propane espresso maker. I hear the dehydrated food was really bad since they forgot thier propane :). But the fact is they finished. And somewhere around 5am Tusday morning last year I got to put my 13' red kayak up on the shoreline with the rest of the finishers. Roy =:-) #69 Roy Lewis <wwildchild@aol.com> - Monday, May 21, 2001 at 12:07:40 (CDT) To Mike, the boats you mention are receational kayaks. It is possible but highly doubtful that you can finish the Safari in a recreational boat. The Safari requires specialized racing canoes (or kayaks) but canoes are preferred for comfort and safety. If you are interested in the Safari, I suggest you come to the check-in Friday June 8 to see equipment and then watch as much of the race as you can. Then buy an aluminum canoe for you first Safari effort. Comparing the Safari to paddling down the Blanco in a polyethelyne (plastic) kayak is the equivalent of entering a diesel pick-up truck in the Indianapolis 500, you might finish but everyone else will have packed up and gone home. Lee Deviney occasional safari racer Lee Deviney <txpaddler@aol.com> - Monday, May 21, 2001 at 00:37:13 (CDT) Any advice out there for spouses/kids of Safari'ers? Just want to watch. Comfortable places to sleep along the route, etc.? My husband has a team captain and thank god it's not me! Julie Pope <jpope@centurytel.net> - Saturday, May 19, 2001 at 14:10:21 (CDT) Et Al::Though I'm somewhat new to kayaking,I have put in quite a few miles now, on the upper Blanco and Guadalupe, and plan to start doing the lower river soon, and I wonder what types of boats have carried the tws winners in solo. I wish that info was on the website, which types of boats were ridden, and carried, by each finisher, along with the times, etc. I have a Castine by Old Town, with spray skirt, a bit heavy to carry loaded, but a comfortable and fast boat for my size (180lb), and I am wondering if it would work well in the TWS conditions? Or do the faster runners use lighter-weight single-walled boats, like the Perception sierra? How much boat carrying is involved? Lights, batteries, food, and water must equal quite a few pounds. How much? What about snakebite....I see biting snakes a lot along jams, and that's in daytime...? Who can give me that info, it would sure be appreciated. mike Will M. Peck <pecks@wimberley-tx.com> - Friday, May 18, 2001 at 23:19:10 (CDT) OK, the queen of proscratination is coming clean. I don't yet have a team captain. All my thinking about it has not made one appear. So, I'm appealing to the goodness of folks out there hoping someone might know someone who knows someone.....who would want to help with a solo woman's effort. The pay is great (undying devotion and appreciation) and the hours are not bad either (well, it is 24 hours a day but only for 3-4 days.) I hope to finish by the banquet but, as we all know, there are no guarantees. Email me and I'll tell you more. Thanks, Ginger Ginger Turner <gingerct@juno.com> - Friday, May 18, 2001 at 22:18:14 (CDT) Water. There are some good tips by Cindy Meurer concerning water in "General tips & suggestions" section of this webpages. "You will consume approximately 1 quart of water every hour during the day." As a non-American I need to figure out what really is 1 quart. 1/4 of gallon, about 1/2 liter? :-) Marek Uliasz <uliasz@frii.com> - Friday, May 18, 2001 at 11:29:44 (CDT) Concerned Guy With 8 or 9 people, those boats will look like centipedes when everyone jumps out and starts running with the boat. I wish I was a spectator this year. The only glimpse i am going to get of the Titans will be a breif look at the start. John Ledbetter <johnmoretime@yahoo.com> - Friday, May 18, 2001 at 09:06:56 (CDT) Paddling Pain / Injuries? Acupuncture, Acupressure, Electro-Magnetic, Muscle Work, E-Stim, Herbal Med., Homeopathic Outcall Available Safari Discounts Jason K. Jones <jjones@acupuncture.com> Austin, TX - Friday, May 18, 2001 at 09:04:39 (CDT) I'm running the safari for the first time this year. My partner and I ran the Texas marathon and learned quite a few lessons. One thing I'm wondering about is how much water to take between the checkpoints. We carried way to much in the practice race and it slowed us down. Our canoe has four holders for 1/2 gallon jugs. Is two gallons enough to carry? Any advice from all of you seasoned veterans would be greatly appreciated. Any advice on rigging the drink tubes would help too. I was planning on using velcro on the tube and on our shirts. Thanks in advance- The Newbie Rob Leef <Robdog1123@aol.com> - Thursday, May 17, 2001 at 23:27:38 (CDT) Regarding river shoes. They can come off in muck so I tie them to my ankle with some string. I tie the string in a knot so that it will not come loose. Make sure to wear polyprosocks with them and bring some extra string in case you have to cut the first string off. Academy sells cheap shoes that will last about one TWS season. mike stinson <stinsonmike@hotmail.com> - Thursday, May 17, 2001 at 12:28:48 (CDT) Ok I have seen several posts inquiring about solo sleeping. I only have one safari start/finish under my belt (2000), but at the check-in several people laughed at the string hammock I had as part of my inventory. That was THE best piece of inventory I had. I only used it once, but despite all the rain, fireants, and mud, I was off the ground and I had the best 3 hours of sleep in my life. I took someones suggestion and planned my sleep so I would wake up to sunrise. I went to sleep about 3am durring the second night and woke up to the sunrise, and a police officer (different story). Before the sleep I was nodding off, and barely able to keep my boat stable in turbulent water (it was kind of at a flood stage last year). And one of those cheap thermal blankets to wrap around you. When I woke up I was off racing again, the sleep did my body wonders. And luckily my hullucinated friends were still there on the river banks to marvel at. Roy =:-) #69 Roy lewis <wwildchild@aol.com> - Thursday, May 17, 2001 at 08:17:13 (CDT) Some folks have had luck with Teva type river sandals, but generally, though they're great for letting your feet dry out, they also don't hold on as well when you're pulling your leg out of knee deep mud. Also, they allow the tops of your feet to sunburn. A compromise would be to wear river shoes the first day, then switch to the sandals the first night and back to shoes when you portage or cross the bay. "Great Stuff" type expanding foam has been used extensively, but with mixed results. If you're actually concerned with floatation, I'd recommend biting the bullet and getting some high quality grey foam from TG's or Spencers. It floats better, doesn't flake off and looks less amateurish. But, then there's always those white packing peanuts... West Hansen <west@jump.net> - Thursday, May 17, 2001 at 00:33:44 (CDT) Another question: Regarding floatation. Has anyone had experience using the expanding foam that comes in an aerosol can for floatation. I know that it is a little hard to work with, but was wondering if it becomes waterlogged. tom pope <awn-siter@lycos.com> - Wednesday, May 16, 2001 at 22:41:48 (CDT) To some veterans: What is the recommended foot attire for the safari. Are comfortable river sandals out of the question? Tom Pope <tpope@co.hays.tx.us> - Wednesday, May 16, 2001 at 08:35:53 (CDT) passing this along. Kip Koeschl in Florida needs a tandem boat or two for an adventure race in Florida. Kip is a good ICF K-1 marathon paddler. Details below: contact Kip NOT ME as follows: kkoelsch@tampabaywatch.org AND/OR kipkayak@hotmail.com. Kip's home number is 941-359-6682. His work number is 727-896-5320 We are currently training for the upcoming Florida Coast to Coast Eco Adventure from St. Augustine Beach to Crystal River. 200+ miles. Last year we were fourth overall and second in our class. This year we are looking at topping that. We have some good boats to use for the race, but are making a last attempt to see if anyone has anything "lendable" or "rentable" that might be quicker. We are limited by time--the race is Memorial Day weekend. We are also limited by the rules--no surfskis or Olympic K-boats and each four-person team can only use 2 boats. Kip Koelsch Team Environeers.com Kip Koelsch <kipkayak@hotmail.com> - Wednesday, May 16, 2001 at 01:00:24 (CDT) The solo boat I advertised May 8 for sale has been sold. Thanks for all the inquiries. If anybody knows how to take it off the bulletin board, that would be nice. Ginger Ginger Turner <gingerct@juno.com> Austin, TX usa - Monday, May 14, 2001 at 20:35:01 (CDT) Is anyone planing to put a ladder at Cuero dam? Richard Richard Miller <richetel@yahoo.com> - Monday, May 14, 2001 at 16:28:53 (CDT) Found--A pair of glasses were found after the Dupont/Seadrift race on May 12. Contact Linda Cochran at 512-392-2330. Linda Cochran <jerrylinda@grandecom.net> - Monday, May 14, 2001 at 09:06:56 (CDT) I located a lantern type battery that is 7.5 volts and 43,000 mah. Its an industrial en-715 and is under 5 lbs. Has anyone used this for Safari lighting? It should last 43 hours with my 1 amp draw , 6 volt lamps and it puts out a nice white light. Any comments would help. John Ledbetter <johnmoretime@yahoo.com> - Friday, May 11, 2001 at 11:58:25 (CDT) We clocked the Prelim course on a GPS: 38.7 miles. But it always feels to me like 45. John Stockwell <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> Austin, texas USA - Wednesday, May 09, 2001 at 09:04:06 (CDT) Mr. Brown, I'm in your general age group and we have several "oldies but orneries" trying solo this year. I've tried 2x--no finishes. If I don't make it this year I plan to be among the first signed up for next year. The Loon III is a good, tho heavy, boat. Each boat must have its own TC. But, there is a lot to a successful Safari run. You might want to consider signing up as someone's TC (there are several ads posted on the website). This would give you an in-depth look at the entire event from the checkin down the rivers to the finish. (If yr paddler drops out, get yourself down to Seadrift and watch the others come in.) Listen a lot, take a lot of notes. And, get an early start on next year. More offline. Good luck. John Stockwell <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, May 08, 2001 at 17:51:16 (CDT) David: There is only one dam (known as Cuero dam)between Hochheim and Victoria and it is two miles below the Cheapside bridge (Hwy. 766). The Cheapside bridge is about 24 miles below Hochheim. You do want to portage right but the exact route you take depends on the water level (of course). Downhill and to the right of the dam is some backwater. In low water, you may put into that backwater, but it won't be connected to the river channel. As a result you may start paddling through it (it has some dense growth in there) become disoriented and confused as to where you are and get "lost" (especially at night). In high water it usually reconnects with the river and you can paddle out. If you do not want to take the "backwater" route, you should portage as close to the dam as prudently possible and put back in directly in the river channel. (It is very difficult to fully describe how it will look at the time you are going around the dam, like trying to describe the course across the bay at the mouth of the river - you just have to see it once to understand where to go). Furthermore, just because there are no other dams before Victoria, does not mean you can "relax" entirely. There is the one 9 mile stretch between Thomaston and Nursery (at least 18 miles below Cuero Hwy. 236) in which there are a series of three rapids that in lower water can prove very tricky and destructive. You just have to pick your way through them. Hope for high water. Good luck. Mark Mark Elvig <elvig@ev1.net> - Tuesday, May 08, 2001 at 14:31:55 (CDT) we didn't do the Marathon. we're novices and are doing the rivers in sections in sequential order. we didn't want to get out of order by doing the marathon! :-) we'll be doing hochheim to victoria this weekend. i've looked at the times from the marathon last weekend. they seem very fast to me. the big unlimiteds were over 10 mph, and most of the class winners were close to 10 mph. is that section of the river FAST? also, isn't there only one dam between hochheim and victoria? between cheapside and cuero? it's portage right, right? David Kloesel <david_kloesel@hotmail.com> - Tuesday, May 08, 2001 at 10:41:54 (CDT) This is a bit late, but I just heard about this race and I'd like to try it - not to win or place, but just to finish - solo, in a Loon 111. I'm 56 years old, with marginal experinece - done the Boundary Waters in a canoe, taken the Red Cross flatwater and white water courses, done a good bit of canoeing and kayaking with the Boy Scouts. Spent 25 years in the Marines and did some heavy duty backpacking with the Scouts - so I know my endurance limits, and know when to quit. Am I a fool (about trying the Safari, that is)? P.S. Can a captain (or multiple captains in one car) serve more than one boat? Also, what do you do about about body waste - in the water, dig a cathole, or take it with you? Bob Brown <rdbrown@tamu.edu> - Tuesday, May 08, 2001 at 08:43:31 (CDT) Had a great time paddling the Guadalupe in the Tx River Marathon. Friendly paddlers and supporters along the way. We desert people are just not used to rain :) Susie Jechow <jec@delrio.com> - Sunday, May 06, 2001 at 22:14:42 (CDT) Well it was nice to meet everybody at the Texas River Marathon. Putting a face to a voice or face to an email. We did the race in 6:07:55 and we had bout a 300 yard all out sprint at the end. Thanks to Carlos and Juan for the hard run all the way to the end. What I would like to know is how long would take to do the Swingin Bridge to Seadrift race. We are in an Alum. canoe and trying to figure out how much time it will take, how much food and water we will need, check points for our captain and so forth. Thanks for any help. Team Caged Tigers. Doug Pruitt <muscleperformance@hotmail.com> - Sunday, May 06, 2001 at 20:42:25 (CDT) Captain needed for solo boat. Though this is my first solo effort, I finished in a tandem boat in 98. Please e-mail if interested. t ogle <tonyogle1999@yahoo.com> - Saturday, May 05, 2001 at 23:28:48 (CDT) I found some foam. Closed Cell. 4'' thick. 4'x8' sheet about $100. Polyplastics in |
