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Team Rivermadness wishes good luck to all racers! Have a good race, be safe and we'll see you at Seadrift! In case anyone is counting, it looks like there are 117 boats in the race, not 119 as listed in the stats section of the TWS board. It looks like an extra Aluminum and Tandem got added in there. Or, maybe they are really in the race and were just left out of the line-up. Anyway, if your counting your position from the last place in your division instead of first, it might make a difference :-) Kevin <Trainwreck20@hotmail.com[chaff]> - Friday, June 13, 2003 at 14:12:20 (CDT) To all those involved with the TWS as either participants, volunteers, or spectators: Have fun and be safe! Jeff Jouett <jj@visualcnc.com> - Friday, June 13, 2003 at 09:42:05 (CDT) David and Russ... It aint really me dissin you...WEST writes all my material ! 889 out. Michael Patrick John Gustus Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Friday, June 13, 2003 at 01:22:58 (CDT) Again, thanks for all of the help guys...see y'all tomorrow. Matt Watson <watsonjm@tamu.edu> - Thursday, June 12, 2003 at 21:42:36 (CDT) Harvey Babb - Thanks for your quick response. I'll have the freqs programmed so my wife can monitor the transmissions. I am also going to forwqrd these to an uncle in SA who is interested in monitoring the transmissions as well, recently acquired his General. Best - Chris Chris Baker <agiedc@itouch.net> - Thursday, June 12, 2003 at 17:11:04 (CDT) Hello all! Marek and I arrived in San Marcos late on Monday night (or was that Tuesday morning?) and have spent a couple of days now checking out the rivers. I'm sneaking into the university's library to read billboard postings, and sneaking printouts, too. Thanks much to the person who put the new Tivoly checkpoint map on here so I could look at it. Getting directions on Friday the 13th seemed like a bad idea to me, with my well-recognized tendency for getting lost. We're staying at the Motel 6 in San Marcos, so look for the skinny black #13 boat if you're in the neighborhood. Cheerio and see you all at the start. Connie Uliasz <connie@atmos.colostate.edu> - Thursday, June 12, 2003 at 16:23:55 (CDT) Robert and Michael: You guys stop pick'n on my pa! No... never mind... keep pick'n on him... But really... you are going too rough on him. Russ makes a great set of team captains. I really appreciate his dedication! He would also make a good 2nd and 3rd man for a 3 man team were it not for the fact he only has one set of arms and legs. I guess it's not too smart to be saying these things about the man who's sealing our food. Speaking of sealing:I've offered to help, but the old man insists it's a one-man job. I think he just likes to be "MASTER OF THE SEAL O MEAL". It's like a connection to the Safari for him. I was over at the home yesterday while he worked. He was mumbling something about "Uh huhhhh... That's righhhht... You gotta git it in there jest so... uh huhhh... caint mess it up... nuh uhh!" I let it go for about 10 minutes before I suggested he actually put some food in a bag. I let it go another 5 minutes before I suggested he plug in the unit. He finally just turned his hearing aide off and shuffled off to do some arts and crafts in the day room. ROBERT (El Jefe) : Who knows - with that glowing description someone is bound to turn up willing to give him that ten inches he hankers for ! M P Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Wednesday, June 11, 2003 at 22:46:35 (CDT) Ham radio freqs. (Not to be confused with "Ham radio FREAKS", of which I are one ;) Upper river 147.140 MHz Sattler "Buzzard Roost" repeater. Lower river 145.190 MHz Victoria repeater. There will also be a lot of activity on 145.010 MHz "packet" if you have the equipment to receive it. 73, de Harvey, WB5MCT Harvey Babb <harveyb@testengeer.com> - Wednesday, June 11, 2003 at 22:03:45 (CDT) Looks like we have a race in a few days. This is what life is all about, fun stuff. Hooah. Anyone happen to know what frequency the ham operators use for the race info? I sure would appreciate someone letting me know so I can tune my radio to it for my wife at home and the truck. "Crank it up a notch" Chris "Huff&Puff III" <agiedc@itouch.net> - Wednesday, June 11, 2003 at 21:47:08 (CDT) Hey Group, If you don't know Russ, and wish to visit with him at checkin. Rather than attempt to describe him in my own words, I have taken quotes from some of his posts. He has done a pretty good job of describing himself. In his own words, Russ is a "preachy old fart" that is "suffering from senility". He is a self described "Lard Ass" and states that he is sometimes mistaken for a "beached whale". No doubt, he should be easy to spot in the crowd. Robert Youens <txsnappper@aol.com> - Wednesday, June 11, 2003 at 20:44:33 (CDT) Don't forget to drop us an email to guarantee an appointment for your post race massage. See you at the finish! Carole Penning CarolePenn@aol.com Catherine Elder Cthnrenl@netscape.net Carole Penning & Catherine Elder <CarolePenn@aol.com> - Wednesday, June 11, 2003 at 08:48:22 (CDT) Rain or No Rain - 100 hrs or less - the FIBERGLASS Battleship needs no River Fairies . . . This Hazardous Weather Outlook is brought to you by Team Bayou-D-Gradable: 000 FLUS44 KEWX 101059 HWOSAT TXZ171>173-183>194-202>209-217>225-228-111100- HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE AUSTIN/SAN ANTONIO TX 600 AM CDT TUE JUN 10 2003 THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR SOUTH CENTRAL TEXAS. .DAY ONE...TODAY AND TONIGHT AN UPPER LEVEL DISTURBANCE WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE ACROSS TEXAS TODAY INTO TONIGHT. STRONG THUNDERSTORMS WITH GUSTY WINDS AND SMALL HAIL ARE POSSIBLE. ALSO...LOCALLY HEAVY RAINFALL CAN BE EXPECTED WHICH MAY PRODUCE SOME MINOR FLOODING OF LOW LYING AREAS. .SPOTTER INFORMATION STATEMENT... SPOTTER ACTIVATION MAY BE REQUIRED. .DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN...WEDNESDAY THROUGH MONDAY A SERIES OF UPPER LEVEL DISTURBANCES WILL MOVE ACROSS TEXAS THROUGH THE PERIOD. IN ADDITION...A COOL FRONT WILL MOVE INTO SOUTHERN TEXAS SATURDAY NIGHT INTO SUNDAY. AS A RESULT...THERE IS AT LEAST A SLIGHT CHANCE OF THUNDERSTORMS THROUGH THE PERIOD. GUSTY WINDS... SMALL HAIL...AND LOCALLY HEAVY RAINFALL ARE POSSIBLE. Matt Michaels <m.michaels@d2c.net> - Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 19:10:16 (CDT) As was announced earlier- the Saltwater Barrier Dam will be the official Checkpoint# 10 in the Texas Water Safari this year instead of the Tivoli Bridge. Maps to the Saltwater Barrier Dam will be in all team packets and official packets. They will also be available at checkin on Friday, June 13.  Click to Enlarge mapper <maps@SafariNews.net> - Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 16:35:42 (CDT) Tim: The advice you will get will be different from everyone who has ever done the race. Typically racers, especially the less experienced, over estimate the amount of food required. I no longer race, but I was really paranoid about going without food. (One look would show you I never missed a meal) It really is a conundrum: Theoretically, the more intense your race (yours would not be) the more calories per hour you would need. The converse of that is, that the harder you are working in the heat, the more dehydrated you become, the less blood flows to the stomach, and the less appealing food becomes. Your body weight is another factor. I would say for the pace necessary to get there anywhere from say, the banquet (75 hours) to the cutoff (100 hours,) a calorie intake of what you would require for hiking in the mountains 8 - 12 hour per day multiplied by 1.25 would be about right. You will be active longer in a typical day, but you won't be using as many big muscles. Be sure to stay hydrated and keep your electrolytes up and COOL OFF by immersing yourself in river water or pouring it over your head frequently, especially if you are a lard ass like me. Be sure to take stuff you can look in the eye even when marginally nauseous. And good luck. Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 16:30:48 (CDT) My partner and I are debating daily calorie intake during the race. Can someone offer some advice on daily calorie intake for the race? We're planning on finishing in the 85-95 hour range. Tim Clark <tclark@tlu.edu> - Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 16:09:55 (CDT) Best of luck to all the racer in this years TWS. We are looking forward to seeing everyone on the river. Be safe and smart. Leo and Evangline Ohlemacher, Team Ohles Pride #6922 Evangline <ohles_pride@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 15:44:06 (CDT) John: You are catching Robert in his wussy capacity as Chief Race Judge. In that capacity, he is nothing more than a 6 foot 5 inch Teddy Bear. You should have known him when the water was going up rapidly in '87 and he and his partner were going for the record against Tom Wilkinson and Kevin Bradley. As I recall, the water was just under the bridge at Gonzo. Literally, you could have eddied out behind the two monuments to the Battle of Gonzales up by the highway. There were eddy holes on the back side of pecan trees that would have swallowed a hypalon raft. People were freakin water skiing on the golf course. And what was Youens doing to "...get us all down the river...safely...?" I'll tell you what. He and Rocky were standing in front of the counter at Goynes' Canoe Livery arguing that the race should be run the next weekend! (Bugge and Shively were in strong agreement, just to show you what sage and wise company Robert was keeping.) You could not have found the river channel with a GPS and a helicopter. Ultimately, of course, the race was postponed until the weekend of July 4, and the water was still very high. Afterward, we found flat bottomed fishing boats 50 feet up in cypress trees. Then, Robert and Rocky reappear in Goynes's shop and Rocky is demanding that Tom post someone at the Gonzales "cut" to ensure that no other aluminum boats take it. Tom kept saying "Rocky, I don't want to hear you call that a "cut." There is no water flowing through it and it is illegal and would give someone a 15 minute advantage." Rocky looked down at his Timex, looked back at Tom and replied: "Actually, 22 minutes and 30 seconds." As I remember, Robert just stood there, looking like Johnny Cochran at the O.J. Trial. But that's another story. Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 13:13:07 (CDT) Robert, we hugely appreciate your time, efforts, preparations, and determination to get us all down the river...safely. John <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, June 10, 2003 at 08:35:15 (CDT) Glow Sticks. Low weight,cheap, Virtually Indistructable and can be seen for miles. Glow Sticks. Make it easier for the boat to find you in the bay in the dark if you get into trouble down there. We will find you anyway but why make it harder than necessary. Besides if you Pop A Flare all you want at that point is a Biger Boat and possibly a Beer. Hope it isn't needed. Glow Sticks. C.J. Hall <cjhall@swt.edu> - Monday, June 09, 2003 at 23:03:06 (CDT) Be sure to check the expiration dates on your flares. Mine were expired and the marine supply house where i get much of my stuff had some nearly expired/expired flares on the rack. Jay Daniel <jhdaniel@sbcglobal.net> - Monday, June 09, 2003 at 21:55:25 (CDT) HEY DAWGS! DOES IT REALY MATTER WHETHER THE JAMS OR TRIMMED OR NOT? HEY, WE HAVE A 20 OR 3O% CHANCE OF RAIN EVERY DAY. THE WAY I LOOK AT IT IS, ITS ALWAYS 50% CHANCE OF RAIN, IT EITHER WILL RAIN OR IT WONT. EVEYONE IS READY, OR U SHOULD NOT BE THERE. THE RIVER IS ALWAYS CHANGING, SO U WILL DEAL WITH IT. IF ITS TO EASY, U WILL NOT RESPECT THE CHALLENGE. GOOOD LUCK TO ALL U IDIOTS/RICHARD OUT Richard Miller <richetel@yahoo.com> - Monday, June 09, 2003 at 17:20:17 (CDT) The river fairies did do a bit of work but me thinks that one might assume that they slacked off and missed a few things. But, look closely and think outside the box to find the magic carpet. So where exactly did they trim? I ain't gonna tell ya even if I knew. nanny-nanny boo-boo and pass the pills. Hogelbarth <Hogelbarth@fact_checker.com> - Monday, June 09, 2003 at 16:26:01 (CDT) River update...Luling to Palmetto, we hit one log jam we had to portage over, and one we went under, with the stern-man getting his face stuck in a log...other than that, not bad...the one we protaged was just downstream of I-10. Weather.com has a 30% chance of t-storms in San Marcos for the next-week. Seadrift has a 30% chance starting this weekend, increasing to 50% next Tue. Guess I need to pack some rain gear. I'd also like to thank all the people on this board that have offered their advice and answered my questions. I really appreciate all the help! Matt... Matt Watson <watsonjm@tamu.edu> - Monday, June 09, 2003 at 15:29:36 (CDT) I'm confused. Is it gonna rain or not. confused <unsidedown@insideout> - Monday, June 09, 2003 at 14:16:54 (CDT) The boat is waxed, four days of food has been purchased, I am at work with nothing to do: EXCESSIVE RAINFALL DISCUSSION NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD 232 PM EDT MON JUN 09 2003 ...VALID 00Z TUE JUN 10 2003 - 00Z WED JUN 11 2003... ...REFERENCE AWIPS GRAPHIC UNDER...DAY 1 EXCESSIVE RAINFALL... THE LATEST WV IMAGERY SHOWS A DECENT MID/UPR LVL LOW OVR NRN MEX THAT CONTS TO PUSH EWD. CNCVTN IS INCRSG AHD OF THE MAIN VORT...ALNG WITH WEAKER VORTS THAT ARE EJECTING EWD AHD OF THE MAIN SYS. THIS ENERGY WL MOV OVR THE MORE UNSTBL/MOIST AIRMASS OVR WRN TX LATER THIS EVE AND SUPPORT WDSPRD CNVCTN THAT SHLD PUSH SLOLY EWD TNGT. PWS ARE FCST TO REMAIN ARND 1.50 INCHES WITH 8H DWPTS IN THE MID TEENS. SOME CELL MERGERS/OUTFLOW BNDRY INTERSECTIONS WL LEAD TO BRIEF INTENSE RNS CLS TO TWO INCHES WITHIN A COUPLE OF HRS. Matt Michaels <m.michaels@d2c.net> - Monday, June 09, 2003 at 13:48:29 (CDT) We did Luling to HWY 90 pm Sunday. Water is up with a nice current, but not so fast as to be dangerous. Encountered a couple of major log jams, but looks like the River Faries have taken care of all the small ones. As to those purists who complain about the River Faries cutting paths - what say if we stop that next year we also institute drug testing - not only for steroids and uppers, but Vivarin, ibuprophin, and Lamotil. Would anyone test clean? Seat side up and downstream. See ya Saturday. Boat 5557. Agin' Bulls. (Formerly Captains Outrageous). Bob Brown <rdbrown@tamu.edu> - Monday, June 09, 2003 at 11:31:53 (CDT) After a long ride on the river all you want is a long shower, a good meal, and those sore muscles worked out. Come by to book your one hour massage or have your team captain come by in advance with your approximate finish time and we will make sure you have an appointment. You will receive a free gift from us as a Thank You for your support. If you know what your finish time might be, send us an email or give us a call to book an approximate time. Rate is only $50.00 per hour. Cash or Check. We have been at the Finish Line for the last several years, and look forward to seeing you again this year! See you at the finish. Carole Penning, RMT Catherine Elder,RMT 712-622-HAND (4263) 713-622-4343 Carole Penning and Catherine Elder <CthrnEld@netscape.net> - Monday, June 09, 2003 at 07:57:33 (CDT) Hey Racers, I secured a ladder to the back side of Cuero Dam Saturday. Someone had left some carpet and marked a portage to the right of where I place the ladder. I took a look at it and it looks OK. I also placed flashers on Cuero Dam and about 25 yards up stream from the dam at what looks like a good place to get out. I placed the get out sign next to the upstream flasher. Next I went to check out a dangerous jam in a fast current section about 15 miles down stream of Gonzo 183. The jam was reported to me by a team that had a near tragic enocounter with the jam last Saturday night. I was able to cut a 15' wide opening right through the center of the jam. There was one staub I could not remove so I painted the whole staub reflective orange. It will be a good indicator of distance covered since it is at almost exactly 15 miles below Gonzo 183. Since I did not know if I was going to be able to remove the jam, I painted 10 M in about 2 feet tall letters on a tree in the river as a indicator of approach. It should be highly visible and is in fact at the 10 mile point. I talked to a Game Warden and he had just gone from Hochheim to Cheapside and reported the route clear enough that he traveled the route in his large power boat. The log jam on approach to Ottine Dam Portage has been removed and you can now take a straight shot to the portage on river left. Signs and flashers have been placed at Ottine and Gonzo Dams. If you were on the river and saw something that we need to mention at the race briefing please let me know. Thanks, Robert Youens Robert Youens <txsnapper@aol.com> - Sunday, June 08, 2003 at 12:42:05 (CDT) THIS IS AN UNABASHED PLUG FOR A VERY CLOSE FRIEND: An excellent masseuse, Mary Louise Benck, is planning on setting up at the finish line on Monday and Tuesday, weather permitting -- she is outstanding; very strong and knowledgable healing hands. Won't give her age, but she recently attended her 40th reunion -- she is all business, with an wonderful personality to match. She is bringing both her table and a massage chair which is convenient for shorter massages that work primarily the back, arms, neck and shoulders. She will give 15 min, 30 min, and 1 hour massages. Norm Thomas <nthomas90252@aol.com> - Saturday, June 07, 2003 at 22:31:49 (CDT) I had 6 inches of rain at my house in san marcos this week. I believe that we had something close to 80 mph winds. My insurance co. came out today and they are going to buy me a new roof and pay to cleanup the 3.5' diam. live oak that fell 6" from my racing canoe and brushed up against my workshop. The river came up pretty good in San Marcos for a little while. It should boost the river and aquifer enough to be at least as good as the 2001 level. The upcoming week should be interesting, if anything like the last. tom pope <tpope@co.hays.tx.us> - Saturday, June 07, 2003 at 01:02:45 (CDT) TO ALL TC'S AND SPECTATORS : If while watching boats go by the early low bridges ( Westerfield, Sculls etc.) and a vehicle is approaching, PLEASE NICELY try to encourage the drivers to hold up until they pass under. ( Offer a beer or nice cleavage shot(not you Russ!). I may be a fraidy cat on this but these are old bridges, will be loaded with people already,and being made into a concrete and F-350 sandwich adds to my pucker factor considerably. Undoubtably " fred" will have an anonymous derogatory opinion on this since having never been squashed in such a manner I am unqualified to speak. RUSS: ten inches should be no problem if the diameter is but 1/4 inch! But he does say it is quite resistive to stretch. M P Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Friday, June 06, 2003 at 17:53:25 (CDT) WEST: As to what length I want, I have wished all my life I had ten inches, but I gave up on that years ago. ANOTHER GEARLIST: For those who prefer WORD or might not be able to store EXCEL, I have word document created with tables and categories (some of it's overkill but I like to be thorough) David: Give me a call and tell me how to attach it here. RAINFALL AND WIND: A buddy of mine in San Mucous said they had 90 MPH winds before today and many trees down and about 3 inches of rain in some parts, but he was staring at the San Marcos (sounded like before the confluence with the Blanco) and it didn't look muddy or high. The rain that looked like it would hit this morning tailed out south of Austin. Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Friday, June 06, 2003 at 14:37:51 (CDT) West, instead of selling all that kevlar cord perhaps you should save it for your repair kit. 2300 feet ought to be enough to get you to 90A anyway. Just wrap the ends of that skiny-ass kanu like Thor Heyrdahl's reed boat Ra and you might make the banquet. And watch out for the munchkins. Glinda <goodfairy@oz.com> - Friday, June 06, 2003 at 12:04:17 (CDT) Robert, thanks for the converted inventory form. Imagine, a viable contribution from a Safari novice (of which I am one) - just kidding. Thanks to the civil, innovative and identified contributors to this forum. Congratulations on all your hard training and good luck in Safari. Lifes - 1. Completions - 0. Dave Bartell <dbart@lcc.net> - Friday, June 06, 2003 at 10:43:43 (CDT) Robert, thanks for converting the Check in List to Excel spreadsheet format. I just wanted to let everyone know that the PDF (which probably wouldn't float) check in form that I put on the Texas Water Safari site can be filled out online...you don't have to fill it on your computer (you don't have to chicken scratch your way through it). However, Robert's form will allow you to save it to excel format for re-use next year. I'll update the TWS PDF form so that it's easier to save, so you can use it next year. Robbie Cooper <scoop@austin.rr.com> - Friday, June 06, 2003 at 09:09:51 (CDT)
Robert <flawseeker@hotmail.com> - Friday, June 06, 2003 at 08:10:07 (CDT) I've been getting a lot of calls and e-mail for the kevcord. I'll bring pre-cut lengths to check-in. Just call me and tell me what length(s) you want. I'll be at boat number 7, tandem unlimited. Hunt me down and I'll have your order. Remember, it's best to have a razor blade to cut this cord. It's made of kevlar and needs a really sharp blade for a clean cut. Also, if you want to route this through plastic tubing, you need to use 3/8" I.D. tubing for easy sliding. --West West Hansen <hansen@grandecom.net> - Thursday, June 05, 2003 at 22:33:53 (CDT) If there are any other novices reading this...Last weekend my son and I rolled under the Martindale low-water crossing. The relaxing float 15 yd down stream got real exciting for me when my left sandal hooked a limb. I was very glad to have Silver Bullet at my side to keep my head up. Finally the strap broke and I was free! No more sandals for me on the upper section. We plan on using old tennis shoes with velcro added. Thanks for the tip vets. Roger Nelson <forgiven4ever@sbc.global.net> - Thursday, June 05, 2003 at 22:30:42 (CDT) HEY JOHN, I MAY HAVE POKED A LITTLE FUN AT U IN THE PAST, BUT ONE THING I ALWAYS RESPECT IS A PERSON WHO TRY'S/ HANGS IT OUT THERE FOR ALL TO SEE. IF U MAKE IT THIS YEAR, GREAT, IF U DON'T I HAVE A FUNNY FEELING U WILL BE THERE NIXT YR..HEY BSARTEL! URE JUST A YOUNG PUNK, AND I AIN'T WORRIED BOUT U.(DAWG) COME 'ON PEOPLE! FOCUS, SO TESE IDIOTWS (WANNA BE'S)CAN'T BOTHER U. IT'S BETTER TO HAVE TRIED AND FAIED, THAN TO NEVER HAVE TRIED AT ALL. GOOD LUCK TO ALL. Richard Miller <richetel@yahoo.com> - Thursday, June 05, 2003 at 18:05:28 (CDT) RICHARD! "JAKE LEG" IS JUST ANOTHER COWARD TAKING CHEAPSHOTS WITHOUT THE COURAGE TO IDENTIFY HIMSELF. AN ILLITERATE COWARD: WE BORED THE COMMUNITY A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WITH A DISCUSSION OF MY SAFARI RECORD WHICH I DESCRIBED AS "LOUSY." IT'S CLEAR JL CAN'T PADDLE, ELSE HE WOULD IDENTIFY HIMSELF SO WE CAN CALL HIM OUT ON THE RIVER. NO CHANCE HE COULD STAND UP TO BARTELL, OR ME: WE KNOW THE FEW WHO CAN BEAT BARTELL, AND THE SCORE WHO CAN BEAT ME. THESE ARE NOT PEOPLE WHO SIT AROUND FRETTING ABOUT OLD STOCKWELL'S FAILINGS. BUT, FOR FUN, MIKE'S "MY MAN!" "ANY SANDBAR, ANY TIME!!" yA'LL HAVE A GOOD SAFARI. RICHARD FEEL FREE TO YELL AT ME IF YOU THINK I NEED IT...10 DAYS!!!!!!!!!! Omar <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Thursday, June 05, 2003 at 16:37:32 (CDT) TWS is featuring in the paddling section of "Suffering Solo" - article in a new Adventure Sports magazine with a picture of James Quinn contemplating in the middle of Cottonseed Rapid (my shot from TWS 2001). I just got copy of the magazine. Marek <uliasz@frii.com> - Thursday, June 05, 2003 at 16:31:34 (CDT) HEY STOCKWELL AND BARTEL!!! DONT LET THAT JAKE LEG BOTHER U GUYS. THE BIG DANCE STARTS ON THE 14TH. HE CAN DANCE WITH YA'LL THEN. REMEMBER "IT DONT MEAN NOTHIN!" THE NO COUNT JAKE LEG (THAT WAS GOOD MIKE!)DOESNT HAVE THE GUTS TO PUT HIS NAME ON HIS POSTING. WHAT A WHIMP. I MAY CATCH HELL SOMETIMES FOR SOME OF MY REMARKS, BUT THERE IS NEVER A DOUBT WHO POSTED IT. HEY JOHN! MY MONEY IS ON U TO FINISH THIS YEAR. DAVE, RUN URE OWN RACE AND U WILL DO WELL. GOOD LUCK TO ALL. EVEN TO U JAKE LEG. RICHARD OUT. RICHARD MILLER <richetel@yahoo.com> - Thursday, June 05, 2003 at 12:10:52 (CDT) The good news for high water lovers (of which I am one) is that there is a big line of thundershowers over the entire upper watershed this morning. Heaviest rains have moved out of Blanco and Comal counties and are now covering Hays, moving into Caldwell, and headed south. Looks like the entire watershed will get a minimum of 1/2 to 1 inch today and maybe a lot more if the atmosphere stays unstable this afternoon and tomorrow. The bad news is that I understand the deadline has passed for abandoning my team captain responsibilities and entering myself. I figure that solo, with really high water, I could lie in the bottom of the boat like a beached whale, just drifting with the current, and make it in by the banquet. Nahhh. I'd probably wrap. Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Thursday, June 05, 2003 at 09:46:27 (CDT) If anybody is going to shoot video clips with a digital camera during the safari, I can try to do some editing work, combine with my shots, and prepare a short movie for the website. See examples of my paddling video clips including last eyar safari. I hope that Pat Gunn-Spencer will produce her video this year. Marek <uliasz@frii.com> - Thursday, June 05, 2003 at 09:40:08 (CDT) Jeremy: If you have any trouble finding Woodrow, I should have a seal-a-meal as well at checkin. You can find me by locating an aluminum boat with the number 111 standing next to two clueless looking individuals holding their bent-shaft paddles backwards. Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Thursday, June 05, 2003 at 08:02:21 (CDT) We don't give a rat's rear end what goodpaddle does or doesn't do but my partner and I would like to know who are all of these "national level" paddlers are that he is always writing about. Don't keep the good stuff to yourself. Please share goodpaddle. Curious <Tivoli@satwaterbarrierdam.com> - Thursday, June 05, 2003 at 00:39:59 (CDT) Fred: You anonymous jake-leg back biters are becoming quite boring. Any gravel bar, any time. Michael Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Thursday, June 05, 2003 at 00:33:34 (CDT) RUSS: Those shards of latin are remnants of some Don Rickles schtick " Don't let the bastards grind you down" and it was swinging bridge. Michael Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Wednesday, June 04, 2003 at 22:55:44 (CDT) For Sale: 1/8" thick Kevcord. This cord is not manufactured any longer. I found 2300 feet of it and am selling it for .75 per foot. It makes incredible rudder line since it has no stretch AT ALL and can be tied with a knot instead of dealing with metal cables. Great for a spare, since you can fix it by tying it on and do it in the dark. E-mail me or call me at 512-217-7320. --West West Hansen <hansen@grandecom.net> - Wednesday, June 04, 2003 at 22:31:42 (CDT) TO FOLKS READING DESCRIPTIONS OF RIVER CONDITIONS: I know most of you know this, and don't mean to be a preachy old fart, but recent rains over both watersheds and predicted rainfall possibilities over the next few days should cause you to interpret your training experiences so far (as well as the descriptions of others) as subject to change. Some have said that high winds on the upper (and maybe lower) river may well have caused additional trees to fall in. If we get a LOT of rain, don't depend on anything being the same. I have no doubt that many top paddlers will do some scouting after this weekend and officials will have them share much of it at the briefing. I can't stress strongly enough how valuable listening carefully to that can be. ROBBIE: That is absolutely excellent work getting the list out in that format so quickly. Teams can save so much time at checkin having it filled out in advance. However, I can't pass up noting that line 3 shows you up for the computer fanatic you obviously are: "USCG approved personal flotation device (PDF)." MICHAEL: Stick to English my friend. By the way, I'm sure you know the story of your brother and his partner (one time only, I'm sure) at either Victoria City Park or Swinging Bridge in '87. My team captain's daughter overheard the argument and asked her mother: "What does he mean by 'Double F%$& you?'" Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Wednesday, June 04, 2003 at 20:51:38 (CDT) They don't need to post for your pleasure FRED. Why not come out of the closet and challenge Stockwell and Bartel to a one-on-one if you have a beef? You afraid they might whup your puppy hind-end? About the 0-4 and 0-1. These fellows have the guts to put it on the line while taking massive abuse from a group of "elitist" paddlers that do nothing for the paddling community but give off bad vibs and even worse advice. Dread <DreadFred@lookinthemirror.com> - Wednesday, June 04, 2003 at 20:25:25 (CDT) Why didn't Stockwell and Bartell put the fact that they are O for Four and 0 for 1? Fred <fred@wussestrimtrees.com> - Wednesday, June 04, 2003 at 18:32:59 (CDT) Son of Ottine is still run able for all boats just pick your spot wisely... Center seems to work best for me but back end hits a little. On the Spray Skirt on a tin boat is not really need in 'most' bay conditions, we watched a number of tin boats finish last year (pretty rough) with out one but they had a bailer going the whole way, just thank God you have a high profile unlike the unlimiteds. Mark - Wednesday, June 04, 2003 at 18:02:19 (CDT) Marek: Ran Palmetto-Gonzales two weeks ago. Don't know how others classify "runnable" but first obstacle was tree across entire river, drag over left, but it may be cut away as some beer drinking "river fairies" were almost done with it. Two other log jams with easy portages left. Last log jam runnable just right of center, just requires a little extra paddle power to get through. Chris <Rightmind7@aol.com> - Wednesday, June 04, 2003 at 17:35:42 (CDT) Regarding sprayskirt. You can make one pretty easy with the blue tarps available anywhere. They are not the prettiest or the best. We used one last year. You will need to install the snaps on the boat, then cut the tarp in the shape you want, install the female snaps on the tarp. Cut holes for your bodies in the cover over the seats, you will need to sew on body skirts to tie around yourself. It took us about 3-4 hours. Regarding son of Ottine. We ran it 2 weeks ago in our c-2 and rubbed a little, but I would not have run it in the c-2 last sunday the 1st, but I did run it in a big plastic kayak. Looks like an easy portage on the left, but don't get sucked into the Millrace. We've had 3 inches of rain this week in San Marcos with more predicted, so it may get better. Tom Pope <tom_r_p@lycos.com> - Wednesday, June 04, 2003 at 12:30:36 (CDT) We will be leaving Colorado probably on Sunday and will arrive to San Marcos on Monday or Tuesday. I will try to run Palmetto-Gonzales and at least San Marcos-Stapples before the race. Are there any new and interesting obstacles this year on the San Marcos River? If I remember correctly, during last year safari, there was only one log jam below Palmetto. I don't count dragging the boat over or around a single tree as a logjam. What is the status of the Son of Ottine? Last year it wasn't runnable. Marek <uliasz@frii.com> - Wednesday, June 04, 2003 at 09:42:43 (CDT) Matt, Regarding spray skirt. I just have one safari under my belt but it was in an aluminum. Last year the bay was pretty rough and the skirt was very nice. They are not cheap however and if you choose not to have one, I would at least take some plastic of some sort along with duct tape. Who knows, we might get lucky and have a bay like we had on the 17th. Not! Asleep at the Keel 535 scott johnson <johnson_scott@ci.san-marcos.tx.us> - Wednesday, June 04, 2003 at 09:00:23 (CDT) Its probably too late to get a spray skirt, unless the bay is real bad you will not need it, have your buddy get a bilge pump installed and bring some clorox jugs for bailers, you should do fine. mike stinson <stinsonmike@hotmail.com> - Wednesday, June 04, 2003 at 08:46:51 (CDT) If the bay is nasty you will need a skirt or you will be doing one of two things: 1 - swimming 2 - sitting on the bank watching others paddle to the finish Why would you put 250 miles of paddling in jeopardy by not taking a spray skirt? Advice <SpraySkirt@duhhh.net> - Wednesday, June 04, 2003 at 08:21:34 (CDT) ABOUT THE GARS. I like the big fellas. Nothing wakes ya up like hitting one of those monsters sleeping on the surface with your paddle. You get a great shower and an adrenalin rush that lasts just long enough to make it to the next gar. Its those damn nocturnal elephants and giant clowns that really scare me. To all the paddlers, Hammer on and I'll see you at the Hocheim checkpoint because i am grounded this year. -Lynchburg rangers- Ole number 7 John Ledbetter <Johnmoretime@yahoo.com> - Wednesday, June 04, 2003 at 08:17:57 (CDT) Thanks for putting up the equiptment list...had a question for vet racers, on a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being absolutely necessary, what would you rank a spray skirt (given you are paddling an aluminum canoe). My buddy has decided he doesn't need one, but would like your advice. Thanks. Matt Watson <watsonjm@tamu.edu> - Tuesday, June 03, 2003 at 23:40:36 (CDT) RE: TWS Checklist Since many of you have asked about a check list, we have put the official TWS check list online. It's a PDF that you can fill out online, print, and bring with you to check in. After you fill it out, click File-->Save As from the main menu. Save the file somewhere on your computer. When next year rolls around, you can simply use the same list (add or delete items as necessary). Check www.texaswatersafari.org, and look under the Tools section for the TWS Equip. Checklist. Robbie Cooper <scoop@austin.rr.com> - Tuesday, June 03, 2003 at 21:53:19 (CDT) Jeremy, I have a vacum sealer w/ bags. I should be there @1300hrs fri. I'll have the white Subaru Forester w/ the yellow Prijon Barracuda on top. woodrow <hellbentcelt2@aol.com> - Tuesday, June 03, 2003 at 21:45:40 (CDT) Thanks, Jeff. Makes sense. I'll try again Todd <tterrell@hsc.usf.edu> - Tuesday, June 03, 2003 at 20:34:10 (CDT) I think the service he uses is adelphia. His address doesn't show the "e". Give it another try. Jeff <jj@visualcnc.com> - Tuesday, June 03, 2003 at 20:11:35 (CDT) Tried to send an email to Phil Gumbert re solo boat for sale. Got kicked back undeliverable. Please shoot me an email if the boat is still available. Thanks Todd <tterrell@hsc.usf.edu> - Tuesday, June 03, 2003 at 19:49:27 (CDT) Does any one have a "seal-a-meal" device that they can bring to check in next friday? Jeremy <bdanson@austin.rrrr.commmm> - Tuesday, June 03, 2003 at 17:38:01 (CDT) RE Mike Splash Gordon : They don't drop in on this board much, but the gents you mentioned are my younger faster brother Mark and his pard Pat. As a fellow soloist I feel your pain...I would have mangled my boat several times over in the past two years had it not been of the decked Bugge/ Daniel design. Your assessment is correct...they are most ready. So ready in fact that Mark has used his accumulated air miles to treat himself and Pat to a week in St. Barts rather than more dreary practice. You may send a case of Dos Equis spec lager to them there. ...Uncle Russ... Some of my Latin escapes me but the ditty ending in "illigitimi carborundum " can probably be appreciated . ...To the novice with the missing boat dream...last year was my first race, and so with this "seasoning " my boat is only missing its rudder on race day... and it keeps entering a long tunnel... Michael Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Tuesday, June 03, 2003 at 12:21:51 (CDT) 4-sale pre-spencer xstream single. spray skrit,food bags,2 sets of lights,2 styles of rudders. Has three safari finishes. $450.00 Phil Gumbert <mjsi@adlphia.net> - Tuesday, June 03, 2003 at 09:07:57 (CDT) CHECKIN LIST: I just talked with Spelce and he confirms that anything turned in at checkin with the required information on it will be acceptable. So if you want to prepare your list the day before, I would take it to checkin, put your boat number on each page, and attach it to the checkin sheet with all the required information, and write: "See Attached." on the body of the list. CELL PHONES: In the past, it is my understanding that, in addition to permanently sealing the phone, you had to remove the battery. That is no longer required. However, you do have to seal the phone or other transceiver in a a bag that is not resealable. That pretty much means a seal-a-meal or it's equivalent. Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Tuesday, June 03, 2003 at 09:05:37 (CDT) HOGELBARTH: you may well be right about caffedrine, but I got 468 hits on Google and do not find any reference to it's having been banned. As to "where for," the term is actually "wherefore" meaning "why" or "for what reason" as in "Wherefore am I wasting my time on this billboard?" Admittedly, the term is somewhat antiquated as, some would say am I. You are obviously familiar with the now most famous literary occurrence of this word when Shakespeare's Juliet cries out "Wherefore art thou Romeo?" (meaning of course, WHY did you have to be born into a family that is a bitter enemy of my own?" I would suspect that you and most of your generation would have been more comfortable with something along the lines of "Yo! Romeo. Get outta my face!" Oh well. As they will soon say again: "Sic transit gloria mundi." MATT WATSON: The checkin sheets are provided at checkin. I am going to recommend to the board that next year these be made available online so that folks can start their lists early. Probably the officials would accept a typed or handwritten list as long as it has your team names, team captain, boat number, and class written clearly at the top and your boat number on each page. But you might find an official who has to have it on the right form. (you have to remember that two of the race board are state employees.) DAVID: Yes, I did say "thence," used in it's primary meaning of "...from that place." An explanation to others: I have always tried to use one-sylable words with David wherever possible, but even many of those often prove to be just too damned hard. No doubt by the time his twins (and my beloved grandchildren,) have entered high school, young people will be provided electronic devices that will translate their speech into something I will understand. But I doubt it. Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Tuesday, June 03, 2003 at 07:56:14 (CDT) Russ is showing his age again: "Thence" this and "where for art thou" that. Caffedrine was FDA-banned years ago old fellow. Hogelbarth <Hogelbarth@fact_checker.com> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 23:49:53 (CDT) Anyone happen to know if Robert Palmer is still making RGP paddles ? Does he still have a website ? Thanks in advance. I want to thank the two gents that help me peel my Xtreme off the tree this past weekend upstream of Palmeto. Darn glad you guys were there! Boats at Spensers now getting the busted bulk head , 18" crack and several shorter cracks fixed.....bottom line..Bless ya'll!! My boat should be patched and ready for race day! Looks like ya'll are ready for the Safari...ya'll easily chased me down and once ya'll got me out of trouble ya'll were off . Wished I could have thanked ya personally. Please send me your names...I want to buy you each a Cold one!...no a case of Cold ones! Cheers to You! Splash Man Mike Gordon (Splash Man) <mgordon2@austin.rr.com> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 22:04:55 (CDT)  ya better be slatherin on that gar repellent- ya never know when one of these monsters is gonna attack your bow light in hallucination alley. click pic for BIGun........ bogeyman <thingsthatgobumpinthedark.org> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 21:14:49 (CDT) What's the deal with the equiptment list...is there a form somewhere or do I just write down what is going in the boat? Do I need to document, for example, the number of power bars? Matt Watson <watsonjm@tamu.edu> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 21:07:56 (CDT) Did Uncle Russ really use the word "thence"? David Roberts <webmaster@rivermadness.net> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 20:38:01 (CDT) Found 1 pair dark green shorts at Staples Sunday afternoon. To set up return mail me Gary R <grobwbs@txucom.net> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 20:32:56 (CDT) Question about cell phones? I want to take it on the race for emergency use but am not sure how to seal it in a non-resealable bag. Any suggestions. Jeremy <bdanson@austin.rrrr.commmm> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 19:03:24 (CDT) Re: Checkin: I am NOT a race official this year and will bow to Robert or any member of the board in case things have changed. That said, a little advice for checkin: (1) Get there early enough that you can have an official check your list and be ready for the race briefing. It is very important for relative newcomers to listen to the briefing as you can (a) buff up on the rules, and (b) pick up on recent developments relating to the race course. Also, it is nice not to have to do any rigging after the briefing but to go back to your hotel relaxed. (2) Think of the checkin as an opportunity to have someone double check to make sure you have everything there. If you have forgotten something, you don't absolutely have to show it to the judge. YOU MUST, HOWEVER, BE CERTAIN IT IS ON YOUR LIST. That is the main thing. Be certain that everything you have in the boat is on your list. Otherwise, an inspection may result in disqualification. If you show up on Saturday morning and have suddenly remembered to bring your patented rectal tree-branch-extractor with you, write your boat number down on a piece of paper together with the new gear/food/whatchamaycallit, and present it to an official for filing with your list. (3) The poster is correct about food being left in the boat. If you have used a sealameal and used it well, fire ants may get in your boat and may have to be washed out, but won't eat the plastic. Racooons and possums are a different matter and there is no way the folks guarding the boat can ensure they won't chow down on your super dooper pooper scooper drink mix or overdose on your caffedrine. On the other hand, I have glued my food onto the side of the boat the night before and never had a problem. Re: the rain: It looks on radar as if the heaviest of the rain went right down both watersheds (didn't look like it hit Kerville, but I could be wrong.) But the rest of the Guad and all of the San Marcos/Blanco, from above Wimberly on down. Thence through Caldwell and Gonzales where it became a little more disorganized and now (6:42 p.m.) it looks to be getting stronger over Dewitt County near Hochheim and Cuero and it looks destined to hit Victoria and on to the coast. There is good news and bad news for the rain worshippers: it was very intense with what appears to have been heavy rain, but it was moving extremely fast. Cheers. Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 18:45:50 (CDT) For those out of the area, there is a wonderful Baddie moving right up our favoriate rivers' watersheds. & water isn't that low, near the top of the lwb at Palmetto. Times were good in Sunday's Unlimited race. omar <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 17:23:51 (CDT) Someone out there must have a close connection with God. Thanks for the rain. It should help maintain river levels... MIKE C <CLARK0612@JUNO.COM> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 16:15:24 (CDT) Dave, Aquarena Springs will have SWT Officers to watch everyones stuff on Friday night. I wouldn't however leave my food inside my boat unless your into critter buffets. scott johnson <johnson_scott@ci.san-marcos.tx.us> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 15:28:20 (CDT) David I just wanted to give you some advice about check in on Friday from a novice standpoint. Last year was my first race. Take any advice the official will give you while you are going through your checklist with him or her. Last year my partner and I tried to bring everything but the kitchen sink. I am sure we were humorous to the official as he most politely tried to tell us we had way too much stuff. I realized his point about a 100 miles into the race. This year we are going much lighter. I would not worry about the check in process it is pretty relaxed. We got there at lunchtime last year and that was plenty of time to check in everything. If you can take the whole day off, it is pretty cool to hang out and chat with other racers and check out their set-ups. You can leave your boat and all your gear at the Pavilion; it will be safe over night. tim <twentrcek@dfwairport.com> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 14:09:53 (CDT) CHECK-IN? As a first timer I'm curious how the check-in works. Beside showing up with boat and gear on Friday, anything else we need to know. How long does it take (i.e. should I take all of Friday off of work or just half the day considering we live in Austin)? Is a place provided to leave the boat and gear overnight or do we pack it back up and take it with us? What if Friday night we wake to a panick and realize os S*&@# we forgot to add our paddles (or other inportant piece of equipment) to the list? Can anybody provide insight on this? On a side note, the other day I had a dream that right before the race our boat was stolen and we had to stand there and watch the start from the shore. That's just one of many Safari related dreams I haved recently. Can you say ANXIETY. I assume this is normal since my partner reports having similar dreams. - David Clark (0/0) David Clark <dclark18_REMOVE_THIS_TO_EMAIL@austin.rr.com> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 13:48:27 (CDT) Anne & Julie (the Anne and Julie who drove my partner and cracked boat from Fentress to Luling last Saturday) -- We stole your Kokatat vest. Sorry. Send me an email and I'll arrange to get it back to you. Jason Cade <jcade@tlu.edu> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 13:17:50 (CDT) 273 hours until start time tim <twentrcek@dfwairport.com> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 12:43:18 (CDT) Mike, I definitely fall into the novice category...I don't remember any real problems between city park and fentress...most problems I had were prairie lea 2 to luling 90...we ran into quite a few problems with the sweepers (much less this time than two weeks ago), and I dont remember a single jam that we protaged...we're running an aluminum boat and found our way through all the jams, though it would probably be easier on some to just portage. Matt Watson <watsonjm@tamu.edu> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 12:09:45 (CDT) Matt, I'm getting mixed reports between luling and palmetto. The more experienced racers say besides the normal strainers, there are two "minor" obstacles, a tree down and a small jam with an easy portage. The less experienced racers say 4 jams. No GPS data on any of these. If you want to sleep while you paddle, Gonzo 90 to the dam would be a good spot, just make sure your partner stays awake before the dam. City park to luling is open with normal strainers and only one log across the river just below the erosion control barriers, easy portage on left. mike stinson <stinsonmike@hotmail.com> - Monday, June 02, 2003 at 11:47:06 (CDT) FOR SALE - a pair(2) 49¾" 18oz. Werner- bent shaft, fiberglass canoe paddles - Very Strong! in VeryGood condition (some little nicks in the edge of one of the blades) click on thumbnail for a larger photo $140 for the pair only (you have to buy both) ($110 each when new) paddles are in Houston. 
CaptJack <captjack@ev1.net> - Sunday, June 01, 2003 at 17:17:41 (CDT) We ran city park to luling 90 this weekend...same jams as we caught two weeks, no one has done much trimming. To Tom Goynes and the two other boats that passed us on a gravel bar halfway to fentress...we were pretty amazed...three of the four of us haven't seen real marathon canoe racing before, and you guys dropped our jaws. Does the river become less log-jammed below luling? My partner and I are wondering at what point in the river could one person sleep while the other paddles? Also, does anyone know a store in or around B/CS that sells ZRE paddles? Thanks Matt <watsonjm@tamu.edu> - Sunday, June 01, 2003 at 12:04:08 (CDT) I am using 216 cm paddle in my Spencer X-treme. A shorter paddle is easier on your shoulders in a long distance paddling. Marek <uliasz@frii.com> - Saturday, May 31, 2003 at 22:38:07 (CDT) Quick question for the solo paddlers: What length of paddle do you guys recomend. I know that it is alitle late in the game for this but I'm still debating on a paddle length for the TWS. I've been training with a 230 cm paddle and I recently bought a 220 which I used in the prelim. It worked OK but I noticed during the race that I was taking aleast two strokes to everyone of the racers around me. I realize that there are alot of variables but I'm trying to get a rough idea as to which direction to go. I'm guessing that a longer paddle would work better in the TWS but I'd like to get confirmation before I buy another one. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated... James Sutherland <JSUTHERLAND@DOW.COM> - Saturday, May 31, 2003 at 21:08:29 (CDT) RICHARD: REMEMBER LAST YEAR I CAUGHT A GAR IN MY LAP, FINALLY GOT IT DOWN TO THE FLOOR WHERE I KEPT MY FEET ON IT TO PREVENT IT FROM FINNING OR BITING ME WITH SANDLES ON, JUST BELOW NURSERY RIGHT AFTER WE PASSED YOU GUYS SLEEPING. IT DID NOT DIE FOR ABOUT 40 MINUTES WHEN WE FINALLY BROUGHT IT INTO VICTORIA. I WAS SO OUT OF IT THAT I FORGOT TO GIVE IT TO MY DAD FOR A LATE NIGHT DINNER. IT DOES TAKE A WHILE FOR A GAR TO DIE OUT OF THE WATER UNDER YOUR FEET. SCARED THE CRAP OUT OF ME WHEN IT LANDED ON MY LAP THOUGH. CHRIS Chris "Huff & Puff" <agiedc@itouch.net> - Friday, May 30, 2003 at 22:56:00 (CDT) HEY HUFF AND PUFF THE ONLY THING I EVER CAUGHT IN THE SAFARI, WAS A GAR IN MY LAP. MORE THAN ONCE. RICHARD MILLER <richetel@yahoo.com> - Friday, May 30, 2003 at 21:04:36 (CDT) Regarding the races this weekend: What time do they start? What section of river will Sundays race cover? gaston jones <gvj4@hotmail.com> - Friday, May 30, 2003 at 13:17:35 (CDT) DAMN, I DID'NT CATCH ONE DAMN CATFISH DURING THE WHOLE DAMN TRIP Chris Huff & Puff III <agiedc@itouch.net> - Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 22:23:15 (CDT) Reference: the road to the S.W. Barrier Linda mentioned: This road has a gravel portion with a center that is no problem for most cars and all trucks. If you happen to have a very small compact car, you could high center and may need to put your wheel on that center occasionally if you want to keep your oil pan. Same thing with regard to the road to the wooden bridge. Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 21:03:21 (CDT) The saltwater barrier will be the official checkpoint in the Texas Water Safari this year instead of the Tivoli Bridge. Maps to the saltwater barrier will be in all team packets and official packets. They will also be available at checkin on Friday, June 13. See ya'll there! Linda Cochran <lcochran@austin.rr.com> - Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 18:47:15 (CDT) Freddy don't surf! Lieutenant Colonel Bill Kilgore <AirCav@AN.com> - Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 17:25:32 (CDT) JUST A THOUGHT IF U FINISH THE SAFARI AND THE FIRST WORDS OUT OF URE MOUTH ARE,"DAMN, I DID'NT CATCH ONE DAMN CATFISH DURING THE WHOLE DAMN TRIP"...... YOU'RE PROBABLY A REDNECK. RICHARD MILLER <richetel@yahoo.com> - Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 15:39:03 (CDT) they're coming? With an outrigger? How come Freddy don't have a fan club and he's won 12 times? kamoofazoo <drudge@retort.com> - Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 14:52:24 (CDT) ANOTHER SAFARI THOUGHT: "God my butt hurts" -- "Anonymous (somewhere near Nusery) For all safari paddlers, in need of some "safari reality" the TCRA is putting on the state unlimited Championships this weekend. All classes raced in the safari are welcome. It will be an Ideal opportunity to test out your team and team captain plus gain more experience with other boats racing around you. The section being raced on is Staples to Palmetto and 90 to Palmetto on sunday. This will also be an excellent opportunity to work out how fast you are likely to run the safari and also test out boat and equipment in real race conditions before its too late. More details are on the TCRA website. Colin Colin & Julie Morgan-Grimshaw <cagandjepm@earthlink.net> - Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 09:18:26 (CDT) INTERESTING: 14-day forecast has a cool front mid-week before Safari... 84 degrees high on the 12th. Have to wait a coupla days to see what they predict for the 14th... then 2 weeks to see if they are right. Omar <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 08:53:01 (CDT) A SAFARI THOUGHT: "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat."--Theodore Roosevelt Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Wednesday, May 28, 2003 at 20:18:46 (CDT) ..heard they're coming...  reporter <who-dat?@news.com> - Wednesday, May 28, 2003 at 14:27:27 (CDT) My Dad and Brother are making a run on the upper river this weekend. I would like to run it with them only my partner won't be able to make it. I need another women to paddle down the river with me. We can use the C2 or aluminum, I can paddle either position; your choise. Holly Nelson <Txblueplaid@juno.com> - Wednesday, May 28, 2003 at 12:47:06 (CDT) Random Ramblings: Marek: thanks for pointing us to that article on Erin -- it was great; if any of you have not read it, please don't deprive yourself --- To all who post on river conditions: Thanks; as one who will get very little, if any, river time before the Safari (a new adventure around every bend) it helps us, who are no threat to the front runners, but still love the race --- And speaking of front runners, To all you honest to God, hard charging, outstanding paddlers who unselfishly share on the billboard (you know who you are): Thanks. Thanks, again. To Linda and crew who put this on every year: BIG THANKS (and a hug, too) -- To anybody getting all worked up over how you're going to do: you'll do fine; I am planning on winning the over fifty, balding but still thinks he's a big hunk of sexy, could stand to lose 20, okay 30 lbs, plastic sit on top, solo category. I'll take all comers. And finally, if you're inclined to take this little adventure too seriously: I'm heading up to San Antonio in a bit to BAMC to visit with a 23 year old Ranger who lost his sight in Iraq -- great kid/man, great family -- please remember them in your prayers (Feldbusch). Thanks. Norm Thomas <nthomas90252@aol.com> - Wednesday, May 28, 2003 at 09:23:37 (CDT) Jeremy, published earlier this season (and other seasons): the low-energy way past Cuero Dam is to go around it. Slide yr boat down into the sump. Paddle around. Drag it back to the water. (Disregard the rumors about a 30-foot anaconda in the sump that feeds on the ranchers cows. It has not been sited in recent years, and there is no record of any Safari paddlers disappearing at C.D.) Omar <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Wednesday, May 28, 2003 at 08:00:02 (CDT) Some old math... 270,000 paddle strokes to make the banquet. 33+ tons more lifting if yr paddle weighs 5 ounces more. Give or take a few thousand strokes, a few tons. Omar <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Wednesday, May 28, 2003 at 07:55:54 (CDT) The Mississippi River Challenge should end today. 18 days, lowering the record from 23+ days. omar <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Wednesday, May 28, 2003 at 07:54:05 (CDT) MR-11 Bulbs available at Breed Hardware. Lee deviney <txpaddler@aol.com> - Wednesday, May 28, 2003 at 00:12:37 (CDT) Russ: there is hope. Lose weight with Jenny Craig - It works! Personalized and flexible weight loss programs to meet your diet and fitness needs. ... Join Jenny Craig today! ... http://www.jennycraig.com Lee Deviney <txpaddler@aol.com> - Wednesday, May 28, 2003 at 00:11:34 (CDT) Robert, Thank you for your reply. This may not be the format of choice, but here only one person can speak at a time ! This race is about the competitors and the river, but we owe all officials our gratitude for their service. Michael Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 22:14:04 (CDT) "No slack, No Mercy, No looking Back" - a good article in HULL Speed: http://www.hullspeed.net/journal/feature_story_v2_i3.html Marek <uliasz@frii.com> - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 21:52:00 (CDT) Anybody have a good source for MR-11 bulbs in the Austin area? David Clark <MR-11 bulbs> - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 18:50:12 (CDT) Well put, Robert. Couldn't have said it better if I'd thought it up myself. One question: The year you yelled up at your team captain that you would whip his ass if he cleaned your water jug with bleach again: had you actually gotten out and whipped his ass, thereby encouraging him not to put bleach in your jug again, would that touching have constituted giving yourself assistance? Hmmmm. Lee: As I said, Beavers are faster given comparable personnel. Damn! there I go again. Mr. Simmons: No doubt you are already accomplished enough to have whipped my sorry butt on my best day out. And you don't need to be accomplished to merit flak. John Mark, Polecat, and John Dupont came in for their fair share.--Uncle Russ Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 18:37:11 (CDT) As Head Race Judge in this years TWS I would not typically address guestions in this format. I am planning to give ample time for questions at the pre-race briefing. But in an effort to keep the pre-race briefing "brief", I will address this concern. M Simmons Stated: I understand someone might be inclined to give their team a long "handshake " up the bank around a long portage, but that would constitute assistance. **** Will a current race official comment on this as the rules are currently written. **** There is no specific rule that says no hugging or kissing. Below is the rule often sited regarding these actions. Rule 9. Teams shall not receive help or assistance of any kind (except verbal) during the Safari. In the past, to eliminate confusion regarding what is assistance, the "no touch" idea came about. I discussed this with the board and a simple kiss or hug will not result in a penalty. If the someone were to help you out of your boat to give you a hug, that would be considered assistance and if protested would probably result in a penalty. When possible please avoid actions that could be confused as breaking the rules. Our roal as officials is to inforce the rules, but our goal as officials is to get as many people to the finish line as possible without allowing a team an unfair competitive advantage. Good luck with your race. Robert Youens Robert Youens <txsnapper@aol.com> - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 16:16:12 (CDT) Yo Uncle Russ : As Tricky Dick also said "You will not know the joy of standing on the highest mountain top unless you have felt the depths of the deepest valley." In the present World climate, how seriously should we take ourselves on a CANOEING bulletin board. I thought your "no name dope" was classic comedy - of course it's always funnier when directed at someone else.I hope to become an accomplished enough racer to one day merit some of your flak. If you see 889 during the race introduce yourself - I'll give you a hearty handshake. Besides , you have not really made the big time until Bob (BOFH) squelches your post . M P Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 15:58:55 (CDT) JEREMY WHAT I MEANT TO SAY IS, THERE HAS BEEN A LADDER AT THE CUERO DAM DURING THE RACE FOR THE LAST FEW YRS.. RICHARD MILLER <richetel@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 15:05:24 (CDT) Re: Cuero Dam ... The ladder is gone. Jeremy <bdanson@austin.rr.com> - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 14:04:31 (CDT) There has been a ladder there for the last few yrs. If not,walk on top of the ledge toward the river. When u get to the corner, there is some rebard sticking out. Its not great, but u can work ure way down. If u are in a two man or more boat, u could use ure boat as a ladder. Hopefully, the ladder will be there for u guys and gals. GOOD LUCK ALL RICHQARD(OUT) RICHARD MILLER <richetel@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 13:31:38 (CDT) Russ, I appreciate your humor but your bathroom scale does not! Lee Deviney <txpaddler@aol.com> - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 13:16:55 (CDT) Beaver aluminum canoes. They came in several lenghts including a C-2 at 18.5' and a 17' solo model. They were shaped like an old USCA cruiser with plumb stems. USCA once had a "super aluminum" class which was for Beaver and like tin can canoes. Johnny P and I noted a loophole in the Neches Wilderness race rules some years ago and raced an 18.5' Beaver in the aluminum class (as did THREE other teams who had Beavers). I don't think Frank appreciated our strict construction of the race's rules. As it turned out the Beaver doesn't turn and was not the boat for the Neches River. The Arkies took first in a 17' Voyager and we had to settle for 2nd place money. Lee Deviney <txpaddler@aol.com> - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 13:16:09 (CDT) Does anyone have any suggestions for getting over Cuero dam? After lowering the boat over, we realized there was no way down except for jumping. A 10 foot jump over a dam is bad enough when you are fresh, but I don't look forward to it come race time. Jeremy <bdanson@austin.rr.com> - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 12:00:59 (CDT) Here are the final times for the 1st annual Jonestown-Starnes Island Race that was held on May 17th 1st solo - 1hr10min - Philippe Blouin 1st tandem - 1hr13min - West Hansen & Jeff Glock 2nd solo - 1hr19min - Mark Poindexter 1st open - 1hr22min - Cindy Meurer & Lee Deviney 2nd tandem 1hr30min DeForrest J Tiffany & Robert Cespi(sp?) 3rd solo(TIE) - 1hr37min - Steve Frick 3rd solo(TIE) - 1hr37min - Doug Casey 3rd tandem - 1hr39min - Wade Vincent & Vardy Vincent 4th solo - 1hr49min - Justin B McGuire 5th solo - 1hr59min - Dushyanth Bharadwat 6th solo - 3hr3min - Mike Brooks (equipment failure) We had a blast and are looking forward to a bigger race next year. Pictures of the race will be on the Jonestown's Chamber of Commerce website in a day or two. (TWS-1/1 solo) James Quinn <Jdq18695@aol.com> - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 11:03:51 (CDT) Palmetto to Gonzo, jam at 5.5 miles and 11.6 miles portage left or walk across, Jam below cone street work your way through on right other than that wide open. mike stinson <stinsonmike@hotmail.com> - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 08:57:08 (CDT) Also re Beaver Boats: Tom Goynes, who I believe lurks on this board, will correct me if I am wrong, but I think the Beaver was 18 feet long and would have fit into the Standard Class as he originally intended it. If over 18, it clearly would not have. In either case, given the fact that there are now dimensions defined for the class, things might have changed. Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 07:56:42 (CDT) Clarification and Apology: Folks, As the late, great, Richard Nixon used to say, I'd like to make one thing perfectly clear. I was only joking! After my recent spate of posts badmouthing the likes of Allen Spelce, Bob Spain, Lee Deviney, Robert Youens, West Hansen, and last (and certainly least,) my son David, (I never mentioned John Bugge by name,) I have received e-mails indicating that there are still folks around who are mercifully unfamiliar with the old Palmetto Hotline and who are thus ladies and gentlemen enough to believe that no human being enjoys seeing himself used and degraded in print. (Those who do remember may also recall that, in addition to harrassing my betters, I was equally capable of abusing myself.) In any case, I have abjectly apologized to those folks and, should any of you share their reaction to those posts, please accept my apologies as well. BEAVER BOATS: I have never paddled one but have raced against them a couple of times. I was not aware of the light metal Tom mentions, but that may well be true. They do have a much finer entry than other aluminum boats although not quite as much as a C2, and do not have as great a width as other aluminums. They are decidely faster than an alumacraft given comparable personnel.-- Uncle Russ Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Tuesday, May 27, 2003 at 07:50:37 (CDT) After the Sea Drift race I noticed several more deep scratches in our Highly Characterized aluminum craft. Wishing to confirm my suspicions that this really was not from the aqua/marine life dental work but rather a light brush against some grumpy old boater, I asked my sternie. He replied it came from some shiney objects hanging from trees like christmas ornaments dragging alone the boat. Huh! I thought that was some of our TEXAS spider webs. I was wrong. After discussing this with an admired Safai Vet, Mr. richard Miller said one of those things actually stopped his boat cold! Now that's a strong web that must have at least 3tons of tinsel strength. What else is out there! Is there any other stories about these ornaments with fish hanging on them. Are there any trot line fairies out there? Should a novice weare armor, tear away jerseys or just follow the grumpy old men boats. Any advise will be appreciated by me and others that were too shy to ask. Thanks. roger Nelson/silverbullet/270/novice <forgiven4ever@sbcglobal.net> - Monday, May 26, 2003 at 21:47:44 (CDT) Regarding Beaver Boats: I've never seen one, but what I have heard they are, from someone who owns one, is a C-2 cruiser type boat, but it is made of very light aluminum. About as thick as a beer can. I think they make a distinction in the rules so that these boats won't be competing against conventional aluminum boats. tom pope <tom_r_p@lycos.com> - Monday, May 26, 2003 at 21:05:37 (CDT) Looking for a 17' square stern grumman canoe in or around Montana nance <nravenspeaker@msn.com> - Monday, May 26, 2003 at 21:02:58 (CDT) I've been digging around a bit on this board and I have a question: What the heck is a "beaver boat". I know it's a loaded question and I'm already imagining some of your answers. Thanks. Todd Terrell <tterrell@hsc.usf.edu> - Monday, May 26, 2003 at 18:46:24 (CDT) Pre-race statistics for the the 2003 TWS are posted on at www.texaswatersafari.org (under Race Information-->Texas Water Safari-->Stats). There are 117 boats registered, with the largest class being the Solo class (34 soloists entered). 79 of the 216 participants are within 30-39 years old, and 65 racers are 40-49 years old. Only one racer over the age of 70, but 7 racers under the age of 17. The starting positions will be posted later this morning. Robbie Cooper <scoop@austin.rr.com> - Sunday, May 25, 2003 at 13:04:03 (CDT) Dave Bartell et al : I am not yet worthy to enjoy the placid waters and scenic vistas of the Hocheim run ( and it would take me too far from Luling) . I made WAY too many boo boos and need more remedial upper river running. I want to repeat City Park to Luling 90 or 80 on Mon. If you are amenable to a change of venue or if others are doing the top section -I'll be your huckleberry. Michael 8302576244 M P Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Sunday, May 25, 2003 at 11:39:29 (CDT) Now David... I see you were raised with the same values and ethics I was ...Always speak the truth and never let a lie get in the way of a perfectly good story. Remember - I provided no direct assistance I merely facillitated a ( massive ) water transfer . If your account was told "gospel" you may recall it was not the 18 man boat in Gonzales I was chasing but 18 virgins in Luling ( before they were defrocked in the Thump Queen initiation rituals). At any rate it gave me the gumption to tell my Mam and Pap that I was going to San Marcos - I wanted to learn the ways of the river and be a Safari man, Whyyy they looked at me like they was gut shot. M P Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Sunday, May 25, 2003 at 11:22:50 (CDT) Robert: We only went as far as Prairie Lee 2. In that stretch the water is signficantly down from a couple months ago. There were a couple places where we attached steel-spiked paddle cleats to the ends of our Zav's and wheels to the bottom of our canoe in order to make it through the shallow parts. But even with these adaptations there were a couple places where it just made more sense to attach the boat to ropes and swing it from tree to tree. In anycase, I don't think it's as low as it was last year this time. Who knows what it'll be by the time of the race though. With the water as low as it is, it might as well be a different river from a couple months ago. Of course for me, it's a different river every week since I have a hard time remembering anything past a couple days! From what I can tell it's shaping up to be a nice first day... Gonzo 183 to Hocheim. Tomorrow, Monday the 26th. Anyone interested in a shuttle please let me know. On the matter of gar repellant. If you have a new boat built for next year you can add some repellant to the epoxy mix and that will make your boat invulnerable to gar attacks fo years. Same concept as adding a mold and mildew deterent to house paint. Dave Bartell <dbart@lcc.net> - Sunday, May 25, 2003 at 09:59:48 (CDT) David Robert <flawseeker@hotmail.com> - Sunday, May 25, 2003 at 08:02:52 (CDT) Well well well... Team Rivermadness owes a big THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU! to Michael Simmons for his help on the river today!!! We did Staples to Prairie Lee 2 and got pinned against a downed tree maybe about 3/4 - 1 mile below the dam. Jeff and I were in the process of figuring out just how bad this situation was shaping-up to be (the boat was almost fully submerged and pinned against the length of the tree in fast-moving water) when Michael comes paddling up. My first thought was, "Well d@mn! It's a Safari paddler!" My second thought was, "Thank God! It's a Safari Paddler!" Michael was great. He didn't even get out of the boat. He just calmly paddled over to us and lifted the high end of the boat out of the water with his right hand while keeping his own boat steady by paddling with the left. After he dislodged the boat, he paddled around the down tree and caught our boat and gave it a gentle shove up onto the gravel bar. Then he started paddling off. I yelled, "Wait!!! Wait!!! Who are you? He replied, "I'm Michael Simmons... I don't have time to chat... I've got to go catch that 18-man boat at Gonzales...." And that was the last we saw of him. Thanks Michael... You really saved the day!
I definitely don't plan on going solo this year. In fact the Pogues and I are taking the year off! I'm looking to solo in the next year or two, but I plan on getting alot of practice first!!! Thanks for the suggestions so far...any more suggestions on where to buy a fast solo boat? And what do y'all think is the best type of boat to use for a solo race? Michael Olsen <Michael.olsen@ci.austin.tx.us> - Saturday, May 24, 2003 at 16:48:49 (CDT) CaptJack: Would you please tell how you insert pics into billboard? Thank you. And, GREAT pics of bugs, snakes. Chris Chris <agiedc@itouch.net> - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 23:13:33 (CDT) I've never seen a gator while paddling the lower section of the river in the TWS. However, I have seen MANY a dinosaur, a few Indians and a shrimp boat pass by me while I was looking for my seat belt. On a serious note: I train on a river near my house that's loaded with gators. Most of the time they rocket off the sandbars and disappear when they are startled, however, depending on the time of year they can exhibit aggressive behavior in narrow sections of the river. I've had buddies get their kayaks rocked by the bad boys as they blow beneath the hull of the boats. While training with my son I smacked a large gator with my paddle blade as he lurked right beneath the surface. Upon contact the water exploded like a water ride at Six Flags. I thought my son –paddling in the stern—was going to take to the air in an effort to get out of the gators way! Night training on the same river gets real interesting. Negotiating log jams in waist deep waters darkened by tannic acid after seeing the "red eyes" in the same area tends to raise your "pucker" factor a few notches. Especially when you feel something bump into your legs only to realize it was a submerged log… or was it? My take on gators: I'm no authority on gators, but I do spend countless hours paddling and portaging in their front yards and at times trying to sneak as close as I can to see how freaked out they get when suddenly awaken after soaking up the Florida sunshine on a cozy little sandbar;>) Unless fed by humans and/or provoked they tend to give you plenty of ground. If it's that time of the year (mating, with babies, protecting a nest) leave them the heck alone. James H. "devo" DeVoglaer <j.devoman@verizon.net> - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 22:05:04 (CDT) I'm looking for a shuttle for tomorrow. I'm running from Luling Dam (it) to Gonzo 90 or from Palmetto to Gonzo 183. I've got a truck that can carry a big boat, if needed. --West West Hansen <hansen@grandecom.net> - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 21:34:06 (CDT) If anybody needs a driver for their car, I am avaliable. I look really good behind the wheel of a hummer or bmw. My cell is 817-614-1993. I'll be at check in on friday afternoon. My father won't be at seadrift till monday (if he's lucky). Contact me or talk to me on friday. jennifer bugge <bugge695cs.com> - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 20:29:35 (CDT) Hey- "tasty morsel" the person you want to talk to 'bout them Gators is the "DevoMan". He wrote a great story about his little jaunt in the Okefenokee Challenge last year. He had an interesting time with some territorial tail slappers commin' down the Suwannee. from the story- "Once back in the "groove" of the race, I methodically paddled the section avoiding contact with a very heavy and unusually aggressive alligator population. The alligators were everywhere and responded to my presence with very aggressive behavior, slapping their tails on the water, swimming towards the boat and charging into the water towards me! At one point I had three large alligators charge down a sloped sandbar, entering the water at a high rate of speed and swimming directly towards me. Shocked that I was on a collision course with three large carnivores in the dark of the night I kicked my efforts in gear and rocketed past the danger zone." You should really read the whole story- incredible!!! Speaking of James? are you and LittleDevo going to late register? You can't let Bugge and his daughter take the Parent/Child trophy.... CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netX> - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 20:10:18 (CDT) David: You got me, I was wrong... We I read only TC can touch the canoe, I was think of me in the canoe... Best of Luck and go ahead and give out free hungs at every check point... Good Luck to you, might even shake the officals hand while your at it... Frank - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 17:38:54 (CDT) Thank You Capt Jack for the informational study. It has been vey informative and helpful. Jon Schoepflin <jon.schoepflin@nextel.com> - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 14:03:05 (CDT) Anal scale divided or undivided: The "cloacal" opening is covered with a scale, the "anal", which may be single or divided into 2 parts. The anal plate on a snake is the last "body scale" on the underside or belly. One good identification characteristic is to determine if the snakes' anal plate has one scale or is it divided into two scales. You can not use the anal plate to tell the difference between venomous and non-venomous snakes. You can use the tail scales to determine if a snake is venomous. The pit vipers (venomous) have a single row of scales under the belly to the Cloaca. Near the end of the tail, the single row will change into a double row. All non-venomous snakes have single tail scales. In this illustration the snake on the left has the "split" tail scales (venomous) and the snake on the right has the single tail scales (non-venomous).  ..do you plan on turning the snake over to see?... This folks is a "Coral Snake"!!!! - "Red & Yellow Kill A Fellow"  And this is the "Scarlet Kingsnake" (non venomous) "Red on black is a friend of Jack" And this folks ends today's Junior Woodchuck critter identification class, hope ya get it right....CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netX> - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 13:19:43 (CDT) I've always had a horrible memory about which snakes are dangerous and which aren't. Therefore, I have to depend on several unproven hillbilly methods which I can use on the fly to determine if the snake is venomous or not. One easy way is to grab the snake and smell its breath. A sweet smelling breath means good snake and a bad odor means bad snake. Very easy to remember. My brother taught me that trick. I’m told by our #3 man this year that if you sneak up on the snake and lift its tail, you can look at its 'vent' (poop hole) and if it has single scales after the vent its venomous. Double scales its non-venomous. I may have that backwards. Matt Huff & Puff #316 <redfox_1969@hotmail.com> - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 10:27:13 (CDT) Mississippi River Challenge team is 409 miles ahead of the 1984 record pace on day 13. Have been riding a crest. In the comparable recent days the 1984 team had been down, about 110 mpd, but then they picked up to 175mpd. And, the present team is facing stormy weather this weekend. In sum, this team is likely to break the record from 23 days maybe down to 20, possibly lower.??? !!! Omar <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 10:10:18 (CDT) Re: Jon - You're right- most of the snakes that Safari racers may encounter in the river will be water snakes. Most will probably be "Yellow-bellied" water snakes. They like to act aggressive like a Cottonmouth and will charge and open their jaw but they are not poisonous. In the adrenaline rush of the moment you may not be paying a lot of attention. Make sure to look and see if he has the horizontal Bandit's mask "through" his eyes as I've shown in the photos posted, earlier below. As said earlier, that is the fastest way to determine if it's a Cottonmouth. As you can see in the photos, it would be easy to mistake a Cottonmouth for a Yellow-Belly. Here are some photos of the Yellow-bellied water snake, click on the thumbnail photo to see a larger image.  Now spiders - that can be just as intimidating a topic. The only "dangerous" poisonous spiders that we really have to worry about in Texas are the "Black Widow". They are are shy and secretive and found in seldom-disturbed areas. The mature female has a characteristic hourglass-shaped, reddish orange marking on the underside of the abdomen. Black widow spiders are predaceous, devouring small arthropods trapped in their webs. Their bite is relatively painless at first, but may be followed in about an hour by intense pain and swelling. The venom causes nausea, cramps, lack of coordination, and difficulty breathing by interference in nervous functions. Death has occurred in individuals hypersensitive to the venom. (credit: Extension Entomology, Texas A&M University)Click to enlarge  And the "Brown Recluse"(Fiddle Back spider) The Recluse is considered the most dangerous of the two. The Brown Recluse can be mistaken for a Hobo spider. The Hobo can bite and leave a pretty good mark but nothing like what a Recluse bite can do. (My uncle lost his middle finger while gardening his tomatos from a Recluse bite)The 1st picture is a Brown Recluse (note- the upside down "fiddle" on it's back), the 2nd is the Hobo spider - Click to enlarge.   Now that everyone is thoroughly freaked out, chances of a BlackWidow biting you in the race is about zilch. BrownRecluse maybe, but doubtful. The worst hazard from fauna, in my opinion, is "FireAnts" in the log jams, especially at night on the stretch between Palmetto and Gonzales. Remember to look where you are stepping and putting your hands. The other "dangerous high risk" is stepping on a StingRay in the bay if you get out and start walking through the shallows, ask West..Happy Dreams :) CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netX> - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 09:33:56 (CDT) Here is the Melvin Milquetoast version. Dave: my point exactly - it is not mentioned in the rules yet people get rabid over this issue every year. I seek to have it addressed, debunked, clarified, etc NOW rather than in the heat of battle. I choose this format rather than the OFFICIAL one ,BOFH, because this one allows us all to be educated . I just dislike unclear, inconsistent ambiguity - like making an issue out of a rule if it applies to a leading team but not if it involves a middle of the packer like myself - or vice versa. Or a board chock full of anonymous posts when they "are not allowed" yet bleeping another signed one because it contains a movie quote and self - depreciating humor. Russ , I appreciate your attempt to defray this... This aint no MENSA board, but so far it looks like you are the brains of the outfit. M P Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 09:31:15 (CDT) Alot of folks are going to be on the river this weekend. Postings about river conditions/hazards next week would be appreciated. mike stinson <stinsonmike@hotmail.com> - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 08:45:21 (CDT) Frank, you scared me for a moment. I thought I might have missed something! I took a look under the team captain rules and found the emboldened text. I'm gonna go ahead and paste it in here:
It is very important for team captains to remember that the only direct assistance (other than verbal instruction and/or encouragement) that they may give their team is to provide them with water and ice. The team captain is the only person that may give his/her team water, and only a team captain may touch or reach in the boat and remove empty water containers and replace them with full, nonedible containers.If this is the correct reference, then I guess I don't see what you are talking about. This covers what the team captain can and can't do. It makes no mention of touching someone on the bank. I suppose the part about "direct assistance" might be left up to interpretation. Is a hug assistance? Maybe I just take things too literally... I believe that we have a lot less to fear of snakes than we do of spiders. In either case, the risk of getting bit by something that is going to kill you is not that great anyhow. There are snakes that have very similar appearance to Cottonmouths and Coral Snakes that are non-poisonous. I myself have a healty dislike for the Brown Recluse spider and believe that all spiders "must" be a brown recluse and it is an autofunction to kill them all. In reality, I probably have not ever seen one. Capt Jack... Any chance you could post some examples of the "look alike snakes" so that we dont encourage people to think of snakes that way I do spiders. For that matter some postings of Spiders would not be a bad idea either. This year will be my 7th safari and I can only recall only hearing of one major injury that had nothing to do with wildlife. Every year I end up with a plethora of ant and insect, possibly spider bites, but none are fatal or even dangerous. Everytime I have seen a snake it is a good thing as it is something different to look at. Jon Schoepflin <jon.schoepflin@nextel.com> - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 07:56:28 (CDT) Tell you what; if David tried to hug my twins in the middle of the Safari we'd have to pull the rig over and have a chat. I'm as liberal as the next guy, but you've got to draw the line somewhere. David, I'm supportive of you grabbing your twins as often as possible and giving them a firm nuzzle and gently caress. I, myself, have been concerned about my twins during the race and have frequently requested that they be slathered with the proper amount of sunscreen and baby oil. Typically, they've become very shy during the Safari and tend to retreat into a safer, more secure environment. However, I bring them out for all to see once I hit the seawall and show them off as much as possible. They typically take an hour or two before they emerge enough to be ready for some rough housing and play with my beautiful bride, but somehow after sticking with me throughout the long ordeal they've still got pounds of energy. If my bride isn't around, then I have to play with them all by myself, which isn't that easy when I'm so worn out after the race. But, we're very close and I do love them, so I'll muster what reserves I have left to give them the attention they so deserve. West Hansen <hansen@grandecom.net> - Friday, May 23, 2003 at 00:24:19 (CDT) All 4 poisonous snakes that are indigenous to Texas can be encountered along the river/s of the Safari race course. The most likely would be a Cottonmouth. The Cottonmouth, like a Rattlesnake and a Copperhead is a pit-viper with a triangular shaped head and and all three have oval shaped pupils in their eyes (note- they are not the only triangular shaped skulls of NorthAmerican snakes and not the only ones with oval pupils, they are the only three that are poisonous). The 4th poisonous snake is the Coral snake. It has a normoal round, small head with round pupil eyes. The Coral snake is akin to the Cobra snake. Remember that if the yellow & red colored bands are next to each other (red & yellow kill a fella) it is a poisonous Coral. The most obvious thing to notice about a Cottonmouth (WaterMoccasin is a common nickname) is the dark band that runs horizontally through the eyes, like a bandits mask. Click on the thumbnail image to see a larger image   CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netX> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 19:49:59 (CDT) I have owned a few pit vipers as "pets" and particularly ones that have frequent human exposure, they will only strike at food. For the most part it is the same in the wild, striking at something other than food is usually a last resort. Watching where you step and making ample noise (vibrations) will give them time to retreat. There is always the exception, my paddling partners know I like to closely inspect wildlife on the river and it is difficult to run down snakes, they do not want anything to do with humans. I did have one encounter when the cottonmouth I was pursuing not only didn't evade, it came at our boat with a fair amount of aggression. It was early spring and I think this is their mating period and suspect this was simply innate territorial behavior. I had never seen a 200+ bowman levitate before this incident. Logjams are the most likely place to encounter snakes esp. at night. As the safari yarn is told, most paddlers behind the lead boats have nothing to worry about as they have all been scared away. Uh, or is it that by the time they encounter you they are really pissed off....I can't remember. Ken K <pmf@y.c> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 18:43:14 (CDT) Look into the snakes eyes,if his(or her)pupils are concave(like a canoe)it is poisonous,if pupils are round(like humans)it's non-poisonous.also a diamond shaped head is another sign of a poisonous snake,....of course if you're close enough to see it's eyes it's probably to late!but it's nice to know if you were bitten by a poisonous snake or not. Good luck to all! Doug #62 Doug Rhude <riverrat62@msn.com> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 17:28:12 (CDT) "Long range" gummint weather forecast has a chance of rain at checkin, clouds Sat., rain Sun. But, they've been mostly wrong this season. john <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 17:18:48 (CDT) Couple of herpetologists on tv the other night were demonstrating how reluctant snakes are to bite. Remarkably so. Cottonmouths show their mouths to intimidate but their teeth are short and fragile and they need them to hunt. Very reluctant to bite. Same same rattlesnakes, rattling and trying to get away. john <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 16:53:13 (CDT) Michael: I hear you my friend. Opinions are like body parts that everyone has but keeps covered up. I'm not sure what you would consider an "official comment" but I will take a limited crack at it: As I remember, the rules as they are written are pretty much what David says. The only rules I have ever known about are those in the pamphlet. I have served as chief race judge on two occasions, and in my view, the printed rules are very much left to the interpretation of the official on the scene, subject to the judgment of the chief judge, all of which are appealable to the Board. One thing you can be sure of (unless things have changed in the past couple of years): the board is the final authority. Let's take an example: David has achieved a miracle and is leading the novice class by 30 seconds at Tivoli. In full view of God, a Safari Official, the second novice team, and clergymen from every major faith on Earth, he hugs his children. He then jumps back in the boat and finishes (again,) 30 seconds ahead of his opponent. There are two possibilities: (1) The offical either (a) disqualifies his team or (b) laughs and leaves it alone. (2) the second novice team protests the race and puts up the required protest fee (I think that is still the rule?) In the former situation, if noone protests and a judge does not rule on what she or he has seen, then offically it never happened. If he disqualifies the team or adds a time penalty, then David may, as I remember it, appeal to the board. In the second scenario, if a protest is filed, the board decides. Now, don't take all that as gospel because it has been a while and I'm an old man, but to the best of my memory that is how I was prepared to deal with teams, (especially those mean ones right up together at the front,) should the need arise. So I think in reality, it would be on a case by case basis and would depend to a great extent on whether the chief judge or the board members had been able to sleep after their finish and have a good bowel movement. An example: in 1987, my partner left his paddle on the concrete slab at Fentress. He yelled at our team captain to throw it to him, which she did. This occurred in front of a judge and the teams of two of our opponents. We worried all the way to Seadrift that we would be disqualified. In fact, noone gave a damn what we did and everybody beat us like a red-headed step child. Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 16:32:13 (CDT) Jeremy I am not a herpetologist however, You can usually tell poisonous snakes and non-poisonous snakes by the way they swim. The poisonous snakes like cottonmouths swim on top of the water with their head slightly above the surface. I believe this is due to the fact that when they bite prey they inject poison and wait for the prey to float up to the surface. The non-poisonous snakes have to chase prey and are good at submerging to catch it. These are just country boy observations. I had at least a dozen cottonmouth experiences over the last year and did not get bitten. Two of those encounters were within striking distance. I think the last thing the snake wants to do is waste poison on something it can't eat. The field guide to Texas Snakes states that only 7% Texas snake bites involves Cottonmouths and less than one person a year dies from those bites. tim <twentrcek@dfwairport.com> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 13:49:24 (CDT) Burdett and Sons in College Station sells camelback bite valves for 5$ if you live in the area. matt <watsonjm@tamu.edu> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 13:37:03 (CDT) Thanks for the support....it`s great to win first place (a new experience for me) but what in the HELL is so dumb about that question....??.......hmmmm?? women`s supplies......what did they recieve.....?? Tell me it`s not what I think it is... doug <dmackay@grindingsource.com> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 13:05:52 (CDT) Fred, I agree. Rules are rules. In the Safari official rules (you can read them at http://www.tisd.net/~txws/race_info_tws.htm) the only rule I can find that even remotely might call into question a hug from your kids is: "9. Teams shall not receive help or assistance of any kind (except verbal) during the Safari." Now in my case, I'm not much of a hugger. My kids seem to be. If anything a hug from the little ones is slowing me down. Nevertheless, I realize this can be a problem. After all we all know that many teams have benefitted illegally from 3 year-old twins secretly passing Power Bars and electrolytes during that "innocent" hug! David Alan, We are using those bite valves. They are the typical valve from a camelback. They have a 90 degree bend in them and have a shut off valve so no water leaks in or out. They come in real handy because you dont have to worry about syphonin water. They fit into a 3/8" O.D. tube. We got ours at REI for about $7.00 ea, but Im sure you can get them anywhere they sell camelbacks. MIKE C <clark0612@juno.com> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 12:06:30 (CDT) Oh the thoughts and remembrances buzzing in my head right ow are too good to give away for free on this billboard. I'll consult with the current River Guru. The good stuff can, or SHOULD, be found in the "Palmetto Hotline" a Texas Canoe Racing Association newsletter exclusive. Get yours and do the right thing by joing the TCRA. It's simple, easy and cheap. Go to www.txcanoeracing.org Lee Deviney <txpaddler@aol.com> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 12:02:03 (CDT) I saw some folks on the last two races with some interesting bite valves on the end of their drink tubes. These looked like they were shaped in @ 90 degree angle so you could just hang it out of the side of your mouth. Anyone know where I can get some of these? Thanks. Alan <apickett@soe.sony.com> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 12:01:57 (CDT) Russ, I have to ask, without naming names,what supplies did any women`s team recieve during the safari...?? and was it OK`ed by any race officials....?? doug <dmackay@grindingsource.com> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 11:14:59 (CDT) If you take a swing at a snake that is streaking across the water with your paddle and it comes after you. It is likely that you have encountered a water moccasin. Like wise if you slap the water with your paddle at a cow standing near bye and it does not move. That there is a poor mans cow. If the cow bolts as you yell out, "Yah, Get on, Moooooo" Then you have encountered a rich mans cow. If you are paddling and notice some monkeys swinging in a near bye tree, you have paddled far enough to be down river. But not far enough to know what the monkeys are saying to you..... Jon Schoepflin <jon.schoepflin@nextel.com> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 10:52:51 (CDT) Lets get on the subject of snakes. What type of snakes are usually found along the river and how can you tell if they are poisonous or not (without getting bit of course)? Jeremy <bdanson@austin.rr.com> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 09:49:06 (CDT) You tell him, Fred. Personally, I long for the days when the race went to Corpus Christi and porta-potties were off limits and no women's team could take on additional supplies (don't ask) and teams were required to drink river water like skunks and feral hogs. Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 09:41:52 (CDT) Rules are rules... This isn't some Mom and Pop race... Don't go down the river thinking your going to get to hug every body and still get to finish. The can't touch/hug is all part of it... Don't like it, don't do it... Fred <FredT@Fortune.com> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 08:29:42 (CDT) David: Sounds like you may need to re-assess your priorities. Serious Safari paddlers soon realize that it's only one short step from feelings of parental love to a complete breakdown of the competitive spirit.>p< Woodrow: It's either really funny or really sad. With David, West, and me it depends on what our day has been like. With Deviney it depends on whether he is on his medication. --Uncle Russ Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 08:22:58 (CDT) All I know is that somewhere on day 2 during last year's race I got out of the boat and gave my little twins a hug and someone warned me off. If I had been disqualified for that I think someone would have needed to chain me to the boat! David Roberts <webmaster@rivermadness.net> - Wednesday, May 21, 2003 at 21:23:14 (CDT) Mr. M. Simmons: So Mark is your brother? I don't think I ever got to meet you. If I did, senility has set in for sure. I am by no means a current race official, but the "no touch" rule has been repeated for years as gospel. I doubt that even Spelce would not disqualify a team for a casual touch, although he might take a dim view of heavy petting. I remember seeing Mike Riley's Team Captain--in 1989, I believe it was--actually chain and padlock him into his boat for a picture at Tivoli. I don't think anyone would have been brave enough to disqualify him, though. I recommended that he be required to cross the bay that way, but who listens to me? So if Riley can have chain delivered after the start of the race, I would argue that a simple handshake is nothing. But again, I'm not an official. You surprise me with your knowledge of Texas history. That term "gentleman from Odessa," is almost lost in antiquity, I thought. I'll be an SOB if I can figure out where it started. But no, it is not the same as a Hungarian. That term refers to gentlemen for Indiana with a lot to brag about. (can you imagine what sane posters are thinking about this conversation?)--Uncle Russ Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Wednesday, May 21, 2003 at 21:05:13 (CDT) MAN! THIS @#$% IS FUNNY!!! Who needs Leno when you can read this!!! woodrow <hellbentcelt2@aol.com> - Wednesday, May 21, 2003 at 18:28:00 (CDT) Excuse my pertinence but: Over the eons we have enforced an implied "no touch em " rule during TWS. eg. Last year as I was pitted in Tivoli I wished to give my brother a congratulatory handshake on his c1 (and nearly 1st solo)win. Mark stated "Better not they are real strict on the rules " What rule ? They cover holding/touching the boat, giving assistance, and illuminating the boat. An argument might be justified if the rules prohibited "aid and comfort" , but I see no conflict in the above scenario. I understand someone might be inclined to give their team a long "handshake " up the bank around a long portage, but that would constitute assistance. **** Will a current race official comment on this as the rules are currently written. **** Uncle Russ: So is the term "Gentleman from Hungary" akin to a "gentleman from Odessa" ? M P Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Wednesday, May 21, 2003 at 15:54:01 (CDT) First of all, to my buddy Scott. Make it two shenene's and a straw. Tomorrow, we can give you a little preview of whats to come, all you need to do is bring 1 shenene, iced please. Second of all for all you "we love log jams and dont believe in removing logjams and want to eat %^&&**( for fun, paddle a damn JOHN BOAT, blindfold your eyes and use one of those great durable colemen paddle for the RACE. For those of you that want the challenge of paddling an ever changing river as fast as one can and enjoying the comraderie of others trying to do the same, LET THE TRIMMING BEGIN!!! Thanks to the Firies of the River, and I mean fairies in the magical sense since I would hate to imply the other meaning to someone with a chainsaw. P.S. Dont worry despite all of our attempts to make the jams go away we will never be able to beat the River but hopefully we can beat our previous time, and thats the beauty of the Water Safari. ROLAND GUERRERO <GUERRERO@THRIFTY.NET> - Wednesday, May 21, 2003 at 15:49:51 (CDT) Ahh, the discussion is alive and bristling with tension, must be getting close to June. It is comforting to know that by banquet time all will have kissed and made up. Linda has made special arrangements this year to have a bonfire gathering after the awards so we can all sit around, hold hands, sing songs, and share our true inner feelings with one another. Dr Phil <help@drp.com> - Wednesday, May 21, 2003 at 13:07:47 (CDT) Hey Jonathan, Thanks for the stuff. scott johnson <johnson_scott@ci.san-marcos.tx.us> - Wednesday, May 21, 2003 at 08:44:41 (CDT) FOR SALE....... New Spencer Extreme, not decked, very light weight, yes on carbon slider seat/rudder/pedals - no skirt but Goynes or Collins can make one in time. $2400 Tom,I really expected Roland to reply. Is he paying you protection money? I had to mess with him a little because I saw that he was messing with my boys Darryll and Jonathan. And we only got 2nd. We got lucky with that good breeze at our back. What are yall having to give for that Shenene anyway? I might take you up on that offer. scott johnson <johnson_scott@ci.san-marcos.tx.us> - Wednesday, May 21, 2003 at 08:10:16 (CDT) Oh Scott, you must be feeling Cocky after winning a first place in your division. #99, well, that boat number is probably already reserved for you. As for us, we are boat number 5 as usual. And on the subject of Shanene beer, I think I'll go by some, so I can sell it to you and you can give it back to me in Seadrift. We'll be getting mighty thirsty waiting in Seadrift for 15 hours for you to finish. Tom <Tom_r_p@lycos.com> - Wednesday, May 21, 2003 at 01:29:38 (CDT) Thanks for the reality check Uncle Russ. I'm done Gary Robinson <grobwbs@txucom.net> - Tuesday, May 20, 2003 at 22:16:24 (CDT) Count me in as a member of those not giving a rat's ass whether the river fairies do their work or not. I guess my take is that the minor obstacles are just that. The big picture is just getting out there and paddling your ass off. If you come upon something that slows you down, then go over, under or around it, then keep paddling until you see a big honkin' pavilion. West Hansen <hansen@grandecom.net> - Tuesday, May 20, 2003 at 22:11:47 (CDT) 4th School of Principle: Had contracted Gib a year or 2 ago to put in plastic boat ramps, Kool Aid stands ever' 10 miles, showers, and a/c rest stations. John <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, May 20, 2003 at 17:02:24 (CDT) Subject: Trimming the river: It has been said that the invention of the printing press paved the way for the Spanish Inquisition by the dual means of (a) instilling dangerous heresies in the masses and (b) threatening the True Church by promulgating the oft-repeated, but patently false notion that the earth rotates around the sun. The same obviously cannot be said for the invention of the Internet Bulletin Board which appears only to inflame old, outmoded, meaningless discussions. So let it be with the arguments about the ethical considerations of clearing out the river prior to the start of the TWS. One camp, seemingly the victim of testosterone poisoning, maintains that trimmers are insufferable wimps who should be shot on sight. Another group, justifies the trimming by one means or another. I have to say that I identify to some extent with the poster who points out that pulling out stobs for safety is a bit overinflated. This poster obviously has a bit of the poisoning himself, but there is some merit to the notion that safety in the Water Safari is a bit akin to rules in a knife fight. Then there is the third group: those who, to put it gently, don't give a rats ass. (And I'm not talking here about individuals like West Hansen or Allen Spelce, who don't give a rats ass about anything other than how they look in their Safari outfits or in their magazine photos.) This camp, in which I find myself, takes the position that, while one could easily make a rule forbidding defication in the river, one certainly would not look forward to being placed in charge of enforcing the rule. I teamed on a couple of occasions with a certain fairly famous sternman who was always at the forefront of complaining about those who trim the jams. Although I have no photographic proof, I could almost assure you that he was not himself unfamiliar with the use of a chainsaw during the first and second weeks of June...but that's another story. Uncle Russ <rdrekl@texas.net> - Tuesday, May 20, 2003 at 15:47:34 (CDT) 106 boats already. Hey Roland, you and Tom can't decide on a number? How about 99, your approximate time to finish. I'm tasting that Shanene already! Ann or Julie, if ya'll see this, give me a shout. scott johnson <johnson_scott@ci.san-marcos.tx.us> - Tuesday, May 20, 2003 at 09:46:47 (CDT) The Texas Canoe Racing Association (TCRA) points are calculated through the Dupone Swingin Bridge to Seadrift Canoe Race. You can check them out by goin to www.txcanoeracing.org. The points are located in the files section of the Egroup Peter Churchman <pc42707@swt.edu> - Tuesday, May 20, 2003 at 00:17:25 (CDT) Mike, too late be in the running for a good solo run this year! Solo U has a ton of good paddlers that have been training since Feb and Grady got the C1 class in his sights... Solo take a lot more work than any other class. The race is less than a month a way. Now getting that off my chest, Capt Jack is right, Bugge has a sweet C1 for rent and I hav'nt seen it out yet so it could be yours for the taking. Just make sure you get the insurance with that! Unless you have some real time in the solo u boats you'll be lucky to make to Staples. Mark <SlowAndSteady@hotmail.com> - Tuesday, May 20, 2003 at 00:08:18 (CDT) Now the "angle" is safety. Are you nuts? Paddle day and night to the point of exhaustion,negotiate dangerous dams, hallucinations, poisonous snakes, heat stroke, dehydration, stingrays, suicidal gar, alligators etc. and your big concern is a "stick-em". Exactly how many lives have been lost to a "stick-em" in the last 40years. Are you using scare mongering to mobilize the masses? Whats next, war? Anyway I believe the TWS has a safety commitee that is more than capable of addressing any safety concerns and taking the appropriate action so that individuals like yourself don't have to feel responsible for the fate of those poor defenceless novice paddlers in their "tupperware tubs". Come on, when was the last time you heard anyone say at a pre race meeting "look out for the stick-ems they'll kill ya". To the no mame dope, portages don't make the safari tough, it is tough regardless. The competitors signing up for the 40 mile portage knew about it in advance. Competitors signing up for the TWS know in advance the course and its challenges, don't like it? don't sign up! Looking back through the posts it is obvious there are plenty of offers of gas money and moral support but no evidence of any actual laborers, this leads to the conclusion that tree trimmers are indeed fairies. When you get to a jam treat it as an opportunity to gain ground on a competitor. Go over, around or across it as quick as you can and paddle on, leave the tree trimmer wannabes to cry about how unfair life is. Gary Robinson <grobwbs@txucom.net> - Tuesday, May 20, 2003 at 00:02:04 (CDT) I have a Jesen 18 that hasn't seen water in some time (since the last Jr). I lost my partner this year and have been going solo. Since my partner is now out of state (got a boat with a motor on it), its now just gathering dust. Its the ultra light (38 pounds) setup and has all the fixings (custom spray skirt, electric bailer, foot bailer(bow), bow & stern sliding seats, stern foot brace, couple of water jugs, and is Safari rigged with closed cell foam. She a fast boat and should be used as a race boat but is stable and can also be used in as rec boat as well. I would love to see her in another Safari since she took first Standard in last years race... If you ever done the safari in an tin can you will feel the difference, I'm asking $ 1,400 for the boat and gear that comes with her.... Paul Ohlemacher "Ohle's Pride" Paul Ohlemacher <P_Ohle@yahoo.com> - Monday, May 19, 2003 at 23:58:56 (CDT) Dear Perromas, or do you mean piranha? or maybe aka Robinson? EM <emfmeyer@ktc.com> - Monday, May 19, 2003 at 21:59:06 (CDT) Re: Mike Olsen- Where do I look if I want to buy a fast, solo canoe for the Safari? Mike- If you want to race solo this year and you want to get your late registration postmarked by this Saturday, You should probably call John Bugge and see if he has any solo boats left that are available to rent. CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netX> - Monday, May 19, 2003 at 21:58:42 (CDT) For all you non-tree trimm'n types that like the portages cause it makes the race tough, why didn't ya'll join the wimps in florida when they did a little race with a 40-mile portage? Oh, I see. It was more than you could do in a minute or two to stretch your legs. CryingaboutNutt'n <trimmer@hotmail.com> - Monday, May 19, 2003 at 20:35:29 (CDT) Roland, if you want the help of those inclined to chain saw or chop through some of the messes I wouldn't call them fairies. A fairie with a chain saw - the stuff nightmares are made of. BTW, how was Son of O.? Dave Bartell <dbart@lcc.net> - Monday, May 19, 2003 at 18:35:10 (CDT) Our night run has been postponed until this Saturday. Batteries did not arrive in time so we decided to see the bay instead. If anyone is interested in joining us for a night run we will be departing Palmetto between 8:30 and 9:00 pm this Saturday. We will probably run the same stretch that afternoon as well. Jeremy <bdanson@austin.rr.com> - Monday, May 19, 2003 at 18:30:18 (CDT) Many Jams? Four? Ohhhh, C-2's forget it? I run in a C2 and it IS easy to forget as I don't spent longer than a minute at any one of these little weenie jams, I think it makes good timing to stretch ones legs. I am sure a certain visually impaired safari historian can speak about "real" logjams....the last one I saw was in '95, and maybe '98. Why don't we dredge out the whole river so we can give the race to the rowers, it would be disgraceful to lose the race to folks who cannot even see where they are going. Not to knock some of the tough 12 year old girls who have finished the race, but how many more will have to finish before it is evident this race is not even in the top ten in terms of the toughest boat races. Suck it up and paddle on..... Perromas <pmf@yh.c> - Monday, May 19, 2003 at 16:31:53 (CDT) ok, WE HAVE MANY MANY JAMS ( ABOUT 4). WE RAN LULING 90 TO PALMETTO AND RAN INTO ONE IN PARTICULAR THAT IS A @#@#$$%^&& OF A JAM. THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR MIGHT BE RUNNABLE ON THE LEFT BUT YOU NEED TO PULL, CLAW, SCRATCH AND PRAY. C2 BOATS FORGET IT. WE NEED THE ASSISTANCE OF THE RIVER FAIRIES. WHERE ARE YOU WHERE ARE YOU ? THE GREAT RIVER FAIRIES ARE NEEDED. PLEASE START POSTING RIVER CONDITIONS AS THE TIME IS GETTING CLOSE AND THE FAIRIES MIGHT NEED TO KNOW WHERE TO GO. IN ANTICIPATION OF THE GREAT WORK THEY DO THANKS!!! P.S. REDFERN PREPARE TO ENJOY THE SWEET SMELL OF CIGAR SMOKE. ROLAND BOAT #5 ROLAND GUERRERO <GUERRERO@THRIFTY.NET> - Monday, May 19, 2003 at 15:51:04 (CDT) Where do I look if I want to buy a fast, solo canoe for the Safari? And I'd take any suggestions as to what type I should race...I've finished 2 of 3 Safaris in a 2-man standard. I don't mind practicing alot and I want to be competitive...thanks!! Mike Olsen <michael.olsen@ci.austin.tx.us> - Monday, May 19, 2003 at 14:56:43 (CDT) Re: Ginger- Here's another photo of what the dial looks like in the dark. You don't have to shine a flash light on it to make it glow. This is how bright it is for 10yrs.(guaranteed)  CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netX> - Monday, May 19, 2003 at 13:50:01 (CDT) Re: Ginger- I use Luminox watches. They are 100 times brighter than conventional luminous watch dials. A great place to shop for them is on eBay. This is the 3/4 sized- steel case/ resin bezel Ladie's model  CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netX> - Monday, May 19, 2003 at 13:21:13 (CDT) Ginger, How about a Timex Indiglo wrist watch? Jon Schoepflin <jon.schoepflin@nextel.com> - Monday, May 19, 2003 at 11:29:16 (CDT) I would like to see the time at night, without having to push a button to light up the dial. Does anyone have any suggestions or know of any leads for a small, very lightweight, clock of some sort that you can see at night without being blinded by it????? Cheap, waterproof... does it even exist? Ginger Turner <gingerct@juno.com> - Monday, May 19, 2003 at 10:13:20 (CDT) A bit off subject - but we have a group of 17 Venture Scouts (9 scouts, 8 adults) going on a 7-day canoe trip to the Boundary Waters of MN on July 19 - 27. We have room for one more girl, age 14 - 20. Total cost, with air fare, van rental, canoes, food, lodging before and after will be about $ 800. If the girl is not already a Girl Scout or a Venture/Explorer Scout, she would have to join our Venture Crew (COST $ 20). We have ony one female youth going,(plus 7 boys) but 3 adult women (and 5 adult men). We need to know by June 1. Captains Outrageous. Bob Brown and John Edwards <rdbrown@tamu.edu> - Monday, May 19, 2003 at 09:35:52 (CDT) The race results for the 2003 DUPONT SWINGIN' BRIDGE TO SEADRIFT CANOE RACE have been posted on the Texas Water Safari website. reporter <whofinishedwhere@news.com> - Monday, May 19, 2003 at 09:17:14 (CDT) attention Team Rivermadness - Boat 111:We never could have gotten so close had the wind not stopped. I told my partner, Stephen that it was up to him how we would finish since he was in the bow setting the pace (that was safe to say since earlier indications were "1 mile left till death"). Just before the limbs began to stiffen we heard that heavenly voice calling out "DIG IT...DIG IT!!!". The rest is history. I do think that the flag post or perhaps a pole in the water may be more obvious to all who sees the finish. Congratulations. Next time wait for us. roger/stephen Nelson <forgiven4ever@sbcglobal.net> - Sunday, May 18, 2003 at 15:19:32 (CDT) Lost: Blue Kayak Life Jacket. I think I left it somewhere near the steps at Seadrift during yesterday's race.
Thanks for the great race Team Silver Bullet!!! You guys made us earn it! David Roberts & Jeff Ecton (Team Rivermadness - Boat 111) <webmaster@rivermadness.net> - Sunday, May 18, 2003 at 01:10:16 (CDT) No Gustus, I was not assuming anything. Actually, if you are hemoconcentrated, you are consuming too many nutrients and not paddling hard enough. Em <safaritmashunit.com> - Saturday, May 17, 2003 at 04:38:20 (CDT) Another angle on tree trimming: Safety. I have neither the time or energy to mess with jams. A jam with flow into and underneath is dangerous (sweeper becomes a keeper). Another common hazard (especially below Staples) is what I call a "stick-em", a nice sharp impaler of a tree limb. I will break those things off if I have the chance and, yes, a small boat in capable handles is more likely to avoid a stick-em. But, what about the novice in the tupperware tub, or the increasingly older and younger competitors? I don't think anyone advocates wholesale bulldozing the course, and such a task is impossible. However, some jam enhancements and stick-em removal could save a life or a serious injury which would be doubly tragic for the victim and for the future of the Safari. Before anyone starts down the path...the helmetless motorcycle rider argument won't make it through the wash. Lee Deviney <txpaddler@aol.com> - Friday, May 16, 2003 at 21:42:37 (CDT) John, I agree , Tom is right on. His understanding of water intoxication pathophysiology is exceeded only by the quality of his similes. Will ask Em , but with her knowledge base she probably assumed we would be consuming an isotonic fluid(roughly the same composition as body fluid) be it comprised of gatorade, endurox, cytomax, or the right water and chinese plum combo. Jon, high doses of alchohol are probably as beneficial to the kidneys as it is to the heart, brain, gut, and liver. Go for it...I'll have another WAITING for you at the seawall, while I change my oil. M P Gustus Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Friday, May 16, 2003 at 20:42:05 (CDT) The 1st time I used E-Caps' Endurolytes, EnduroCaps & RaceCaps was during the Marathon in 2000. I was taking 2 of the Endurolytes per hour and only had to pee one time in the 6hrs it took me to make the run. On the way home it was like a flood gate had opened. I had to stop about 10 times before I got back to Houston. I was definitely holding too much water. From then on I cut it back to one Endurolyte about every two hours. I took jerky with me in the Safari to give me the salt I needed and some protein to chew on- ran out of jerky on Sunday- note to self: take more jerky next time. I've decided I can easily do the race with the E-Cap products, jerky & HarvestPowerBars. I can always get real food when I get to the finish. CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netX> - Friday, May 16, 2003 at 19:49:07 (CDT) IF the proper dosage of beer is applied prior to the race, the kidneys may be flushed and will higher efficiency. This is much to the degree of getting an oil change before a long road trip. Jon Schoepflin <jon.schoepflin@nextel.com> - Friday, May 16, 2003 at 16:19:54 (CDT) About "the flow": Note Tom's advice, that w/o proper salt the flow can be crystal while y're on yr way to serious dehydration. Conversely, E-Caps warns about overhydration and water retention (potentially fatal)... a top national paddler had to be hospitalized after finishing the Miss River Race for retaining a couple of gallons of excess water. Couple of years back a top Safarist was pulled out by his TC because, altho he was drinking abundantly, his "kidneys had shut down." John <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Friday, May 16, 2003 at 15:00:56 (CDT) oops. "Efficiency" for those of us who are inclined to notice and comment upon a typo. We know who we are. Love ya too. Em <emfmeyer@ktc.com> - Friday, May 16, 2003 at 12:44:35 (CDT) Gary, as the water recedes and jams surface, portages become the norm rather than the exception. I still maintain that this is a WATER safari. Clearing small openings still seems resourceful to me, as resourceful and creative as all the new designs and changes made to the boats in the name of effeciency. But I am a compromising soul. Perhaps we should change the rules...would you concede if contestants mounted chainsaws on their bows and were only allowed to clear during the actual race? This also might help the poor bowman with the night gar. Or perhaps, we could develop another class, like the craft raced on the Boulder reservoir...the asthetic, kinetic conveyance meant to traverse both land and water...and also be pretty. Love ya! EM <emfmeyer@ktc.com> - Friday, May 16, 2003 at 12:41:59 (CDT) Lee, showboating, not my style, but the coed jogger rescue thing, now you have my attention Gary Robinson <grobwbs@txucom.net> - Friday, May 16, 2003 at 11:26:31 (CDT) Elaine, lets first look at the chosen route, a small river, the elements of such include not only water but also dams, fallen trees, log jams and other misc obstacles. Reason would suggest given the chosen route that one should expect to negotiate all of the obstacles, not just the ones we can't remove. Skills are indeed tested, the skill of portage being one of them. My point about the Brazos was that if we are looking for a race with fewer obstacles there are other choices. TWS is as you point out a test of strength, stamina, and wit but not just on any water it is specifically the San Marcos/Guadalupe rivers and the natural obstacles presented should be accepted when signing up. That said, I can see valid arguments on both sides of the debate. I totally understand that if you have a longer boat or poor portage skills you would wish to manipulate the course to your advantage. I personally do not enjoy portageing but see a log jam not as an obstacle but an opportunity to gain time on a competitor. Gary Robinson <grobwbs@txucom.net> - Friday, May 16, 2003 at 11:21:10 (CDT) I suggest brining along some copenhagen and a bag of slim jims. Theres plenty O salt in there. Jon Schoepflin <jon.schoepflin@nextel.com> - Friday, May 16, 2003 at 10:55:04 (CDT) Matt: About them tights. I've been wearing a pair of white Capilene Silkweight pants from Patagonia. "Capilene® Silkweight, our lightest, fastest-drying weight, has a luxuriously comfortable feel against the skin, and a breezy cut that affords good ventilation. Base layer in cool weather; sun protection when it heats up." They weigh about 5 oz, and have a functional fly. Though, I haven't found anything comfortable to wear under them, so I guess I'll just have to live with embarrassing my wife and myself with my transparant buttocks during the race. Robbie Cooper <scoop@austin.rr.com> - Friday, May 16, 2003 at 10:52:55 (CDT) Matt, You are correct in questioning the recommendation that everyone drink at least one quart per hour (unless we're talking beer - but that was too long ago for me to remember). Regarding liquid during the Big One, I always figure about two quarts every four hours during the heat and maybe every six hours at night. Most of the time a single two quart jug will suffice between checkpoints, but you should check it often (so you don't run out between points) and you should definately take extra water (and you should add Gatorade or ERG or something to it) for the long hauls (like Gonzales to Hochheim). Some very good paddlers (like Brian Mynar) drink very little water compared to the average racer and they seem to do pretty well. One thing that I have learned (the hard way) is that if you drink too much water and don't take in enough salt (and I've learned that Gatorade and other drink mixes don't have enough salt for me) your body will start dumping liquid to try to keep the proper level of sodium in the system. You will be peeing clear enough to read the fine print of a cell phone contract through the stream and you will be peeing very often, but you will be on your way to dehydration and a place many Safari racers frequent (kinda a never never land where the brain doesn't work so well and the stomache don't feel so good). My advice is to go immediately to the little grocery store next door to Herbert's Taco Hut (in San Marcos) and buy about a dozen salted plums. Salted plums are sometimes known as Chinese candy. They are really indescribable. I've seen them cause tears to well up in the eyes of seasoned Safari vets. During the race, when you begin to notice that you are peeing a little too frequently, pop in a plum and let the magic begin. Soon you too will be addicted. You'll never be able to pass up Herbert's again. Tom Goynes <goynes@centurytel.net> - Friday, May 16, 2003 at 10:18:42 (CDT) Matt, Last year I purchased some grey track tights from Academy. They too had a seem running up the back which proved by the third day to be sheer misery. This year I'm wearing some very light weight, quick drying long pants I bought at Whole Earth Provisions. I also purchased a pair of very thin, Spandex shorts to wear underneath. I believe they are actually womens shorts but who cares. There's no seem up the back. They have worked very well in races and training runs so far. It's true what they say, every nerve in your body is connected to your....well just get some seemless pants. Asleep at the Keel 535 1/1 scott johnson <johnson_scott> - Friday, May 16, 2003 at 10:06:24 (CDT) Matt, I wore white 'sports tights' over a nice pair of black speedo's last year. The girl I bought the speedo from at Oshman's called it "swammin' panties". Anyway, the seam in my swammin' panties destroyed that part of my body which made contact w/the seat. No more speedo. But you were asking about tights. I like the idea of a white covering over my legs because of the heat, but my tights didn't do so well during a conflict with a 15 foot gar. I can't say I was particularly surprised by the attack. He and I had been trading insults for about 10 miles when we came to a particularly nasty log jam. Zac and I weren't up for a portage and it didn't look like we had a way over it so I grabbed the bow line in my teeth and dove in. That sneaky gar was waiting for me under the log jam and I guess he didn't take the comments I made about his mother lightly. It was pure hand to hand street combat down there and it must have lasted 20-30 minutes. When I finally came up for air we were buddies, but the tights were in shreds. This year I'm looking for some cool-max pants that are just a tad thicker and fit a little more loosely. Thanks Gustus, I forgot that I was dead. jimmy <thegreek@vegasbookmakersinthesky.com> - Friday, May 16, 2003 at 07:18:01 (CDT) Jimmy : It sounds like a good year for you to come on over and beat up on us tiddy baby soloists. Bring Elvis with you. Woodrow : Thanks for reinforcing my earlier reply to John, but if you are going to educate us be correct. Pitting edema is not necessarily the result of retention but a fluid shift from the intravascular space into the interstitial space ( same fluid, different space). And don't you think colloids would be a better choice than crystalloids for fluid resuscitation in the dehydration scenario ? 889 Gustus <mps@ktc.com> - Friday, May 16, 2003 at 06:38:28 (CDT) It's the noob again with a pair of questions this time. First, tights for sure? Any kind of biker tights or what...never worn anything like it before, so need some help. Second is water...a quart an hour for real? Thats a full liter, most of the boats Ive seen have holes in the foam for two two-liter coolers...makes enough water for one person for four hours and most of the checkpoints will be more than four hours for me. Do people take more water than I think? Again, thanks for all of the input... Matt... Matt Watson <watsonjm@tamu.edu> - Friday, May 16, 2003 at 01:15:59 (CDT) John,F.Y.I.,the effect you are referring to is known as "tinting". On the other side of the spectrum; when the flesh is pushed in and remains depressed, that is known as "pitting". It is a result of fluid retention. If during the race you decide to check your hydration level by pinching your skin and it tints, I would highly suggest that you pull out of the race and have someone transport you to the hospital so they can start an I.V. of ringer's lactate because that is late sign of severe dehydration, espescially on younger folks. woodrow <hellbentcelt2@aol.com> - Friday, May 16, 2003 at 01:09:44 (CDT) Gary, surfing sprint kayaks in the dam release is showboat stuff to irritate the helmeted, PFD, Bowie knife crowd in their 9' tupperware yaks. Of course if you swim they will embarrass you by rescuing you whether you want it or not. The best move in this situation is to float on downstream and get rescued by the coed joggers along the trail. Leave wife at home, they don't understand these things. Lee Deviney <txpaddler@aol.com> - Friday, May 16, 2003 at 00:04:51 (CDT) Actually, John, "flow" still is the best indicator of hydration status. But frequency and quantity are the criteria to assess, rather than color, which can be effected by other variables as you say and is merely a result of the cause. If output is close to your personal norm, even after insensible loss (sweat), your fluid intake is good. Thanks for bringing this up. I find managing hydration worrisome, especially if temps are cool or fatigue sets in. Thirst just isn't there. EM <emfmeyer@ktc.com> - Thursday, May 15, 2003 at 22:21:00 (CDT) Oh Gary, Gary...I do love you like family. And supporting the natural order of things, as I have most of my life, I must salute your sentiments. Even though "safari" is defined as "an overland expedition esp. for hunting or exploration in Africa", the mode of transportation must dictate the elements of the route (and this in not Africa). Therefore, I must agree with the practice of trimming accumulated underbrush to keep the competitors in the water, where their skills are being tested and pitted against their previous performances and each other. As far as paddling the Brazos...men are suppose to be the caretakers of animals and the earth because they were bestowed with the ability to reason (though I [and Darwin] have frequently questioned the evolution of this declaration). With that in mind, easing your paddle through life by altering it or choosing a path with fewer obstacles would seem logical. Safari is a test of strength, stamina and wit on the water. It is not a biathlon, even though, I admit, "mandatory long portage" challenges the consistency of that theory. EM, (TC/ Simmons) Em <emfmeyer@ktc.com> - Thursday, May 15, 2003 at 18:16:16 (CDT) I personally resemble that remark (That the solo field is weak as poor man's p!) Can't speak for the others, but I drink a fairly good quality beer. Seriously, we've had an epidemic of sanity sweep the solo field. Early rumors had West, Mark, Steppe, Shea, Gumbert, Torre, & Rusty in, and an EcoChallenge guy that wrestles alligators in Fla bought my XStreme out fm under me. All but Gumbert got smart & jumped in longer boats (Shea broke the rudder on his Maco). Devo and Bugge are paddling with their offsprings. That leaves Gumbert, Erin, and Opportunity for a new wave of soloists, including 4 who have been training in the Wolf Pack. Bartell is fast, but he flunks Safari 101 (he is imminently sane). Zoltan will smoke the oldies; Roger and I are lining up our annual duel of Best Excuses. John <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Thursday, May 15, 2003 at 17:39:30 (CDT) Looks like the TU category just got more interesting. mike stinson <stinsonmike@hotmail.com> - Thursday, May 15, 2003 at 17:21:22 (CDT) OBITUARY: POOR RICHARD'S GONE. OLD. WORN OUT. BURIED. XENADRINE RODEO GAL USED HIM UP. NOW WE CAN POOR MOUTH HIM AND BRAG AND CARRY ON WITH IMPUNITY. FIRST TIME I SAW THIS MAN WAS AT CHEAPSIDE IN 98. HE HAD A BROKE LEG, BONE STICKING OUT, AND THE OTHERS IN THE LONG BOAT WERE TRYING TO THROW HIM OUT BECAUSE THE GANGRENE STUNK SO BAD BUT THE PEOPLE ON THE BANK WERE SHOVING THE BOAT OUT INTO THE CURRENT FOR THE SAME REASON, AND HE WAS YELLING AT EVERYBODY.... BUT THERE'S A SAYING: OLD SAFARISTS NEVER DIE, THEY JUST SMELL THAT WAY. SO, ENJOY OURSELVES. JIMMY THE GEEK WON'T EVEN GIVE ODDS AGAINST HIM COMING BACK NEXT YEAR TO WHIP MR. GOYNES & HIS PALS. john <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Thursday, May 15, 2003 at 16:56:29 (CDT) Hello all and greetings from Vegas, my guys downstairs have been going over all of the solo unlimited entries in this years TWS. Please forgive me for saying so, but they have been feverishly compiling past race and personal data from the current list of solo entrants and have concluded that this years tight field is "weak as pond water" with no clearcut favorite,....could those of you who frequent this discussion add any tips or predictions about these racers that might help us set the books. Will this be the year that a women racer leads all solo`s to the finishline? Many thanks in advance and good luck to all. jimmy <thegreek@vegasbookmakers.com> - Thursday, May 15, 2003 at 16:23:11 (CDT) Bob: Richard uses caps to see what he is doing. I think the others just feel compelled to "SHOUT" back. M P Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Thursday, May 15, 2003 at 15:17:28 (CDT) Those of us with kidney stones in our background know about hydration. My urologist says to test yourself regularly. When you pee it should be clear enough to read a newspaper through the stream. For you big city foks, the Chronicle, Stateman, or Morning News will do, but I prefer the CS Eagle. And, its given me a reason to continue my subscription after my bird died. On another topic, your trim/don't trim debate has given this bowman ideas - we're mounting a weed whacker on the bow. By the way, do you guys have to type in all caps? Captains Outrageous. Bob Brown <rdbrown@tamu.edu> - Thursday, May 15, 2003 at 13:32:46 (CDT) Regarding Wrist Pain. My solution was to have Carpel Tunnel Surgery, five weeks ago. Up to full paddling now. My Orthopedist said to stop paddling every 45 minutes and stretch my fingers back as far as they will go. Tom Pope <tom_r_p@lycos.com> - Thursday, May 15, 2003 at 12:37:23 (CDT) HEY, RICHARD, SOME CRAZY MAN IS POSING AS YOU ON THE BILLBOARD AND GETTING ALL SOFT AND CUDDLY ON US -- GRUMPY OLD MEN EVERYWHERE NEED YOU TO CARRY ON THEIR GRAND TRADITION -- DON'T LET US DOWN, BROTHER! Norm <nthomas90252@aol.com> - Thursday, May 15, 2003 at 09:25:42 (CDT) I SHALL POST THIS MESSAGE AS MY LAST MESSAGE. TRYING TO READ THE MESSAGES WITH THESES BAD EYES IS GETTING TO HARD TO DO.(EVEN WITH MY TRUSTY MAGNIFYING GLASS AT HAND) IT SEEMS MY READING(OR SHOULD I SAY MISREADING}LEAVES SOMETHING TO BE DESIRED. IF I STEPPED ON ANY TOES, I APOPGIZE. AS FAR AS THE CHALLENGES GO, I WOULD NOT EVEN BE A GOOD RACE FOR ANY OF U. I'VE ONLY PADDLED TWICE SINCE MY TEAM AND I HIT THE SEAWALL LAST YR. ONE HOUR THE WEEK BEFOR THE PRELIM AND THEN THE PRELIM. I ONLY DID THAT BECAUSE ANDREW NELSON (WHOM I HAD NEVER PADDLED WITH BEFORE)NEEDED A PARTNER TO RACE WITH. DAMN NEAR KILLED ME, BUT WE FINISHED. 25 YRS AGO I WOULD HAVE GLADLY TOOK THOSE CHALLENGES AND THIER MONEY. THEN I WOULD HAVE TURNED AROUNND AND HANDED THE MONEY BACK. U SEE, I'VE ALWAYS RACED FOR THE FUN OF IT. I THINK SOMETIMES WE FORGET THAT AND START TAKING THIS TO SERIOUSLY. I GUESS I'M STUCK BACK IN THE OLD DAYS. NOT TRYING TO CHANGE THINGS, JUST TRYING REAL HARD TO ADJUST. MY LAST MESSAGE IS TO ALL NOVICE RACERS. I HOPE THAT ALL OF U HAVE REALLY LEARNED THE RACE COURSE FROM SAN MARCOS TO PALMETTO STATE PARK. MOST OF THE SERIOUS DAMAGE INFLICTED ON BODY AND CANOE IS DONE IN THIS SECTION. U SHOULD KNOW THIS SECTION LIKE THE BACK OF URE PARTNERS HEAD. I WOULD HOPE U HAVE GOOD LIGHTS BY NOW. IF NOT THERE IS PLENTY OF GOOOD INFO OUT THERE ABOUT THAT. DONT GET CAUGHT UP IN THE ADRENALINE RUSH AT THE START OF THIS RACE. PADDLE A GOOD PACE THAT U KNOW U CAN HOLD HR.AFTE HR... IF U FAIL TO FINISH THIS YR, USE THIS AS A LEARNING EXPERIENCE FOR NEXT YR. MOST OF ALL, GO OUT AND HAVE A FUN ADVENTURE. I STILL REMEMBER MY FIRST FINISH AS CLEAR AS YESTERDAY. OF COURSE I HAVE TROUBLE REMEMERING YESTERDAY. REMEMBER, ITS BETTER TO HAVE TRIED AND FAILED THAN NEVER TO HAVE TRIED AT ALL. AGAIN, I SAY,"GOOD LUCK TO ALL, AND MAY THE WIND GODS BE SHORT OF BREATH WHEN U REACH THE BAY". RIDCHARD (OVER AND OUT FOF GOOD) RICHARD MILLER <richetel@yahoo.com> - Thursday, May 15, 2003 at 08:12:29 (CDT) Lee, not sure I could stay upright in a K1 sitting in the bath but hell I'll try anything at least once, it does sound like fun Gary Robinson <grobwbs> - Thursday, May 15, 2003 at 07:58:40 (CDT) I personally enjoy surfing contests and a well trimmed bush. I dislike getting knocked out of my boat , stabbed in the ribs etc. The only consolation in this is my competition is suffering the same fate and likes it even less. John - Skin turgor assessment is a well known hydration status indicator - the only drawback is it is a late sign and you are FUBARed without a couple of liters of IVFluid. SAVE A TREE...Wipe yourself with a spotted owl...MPS M P Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Thursday, May 15, 2003 at 02:29:27 (CDT) Level Playing Field? Excuse me, the Safari is an "unlimited" race as opposed to the AuSable or USCA Nationals (been those places and taken my whippings). In the Safari you can paddle, row, pedal... whatever, with whoever and with as many as you can stand to travel with. If straight up competition is your cup of tea there are, within the Safari, novice, mixed, aluminum, USCA, USCA C-1, solo, etc...classes. If you beat a bigger boat along the way so much the better. I had the good fortune of winning Safari novice and beating the tin can class in the process so I don't need to do that again, it hurt too much for too long. Anyone who finishes is a winner, trophies and placement is gravy. ***************************************************************** Paddle Town Lake? A good idea and not boring if one focuses on developing speed, technique. The scenery is great if you hug the banks. Gary, come on down and we'll surf standing waves and holes in ICF K-1 boats below Tom Miller Dam. That experience will pucker your butt a bit. Lee Deviney <txpaddler@aol.com> - Wednesday, May 14, 2003 at 23:46:49 (CDT) I'm with Ken and John Mark on the pruning issue. Heck, like Mr. Anonymous said, I think if you can cut the stuff out then it should be okay to put stuff in the river. I'll paddle with the grumpy old man anytime although it helps to only be able to hear out of one ear. Jay Daniel <jhdaniel@sbcglobal.net> - Wednesday, May 14, 2003 at 19:32:30 (CDT) HEY JOHN MARK, GLAD SOMEONE OUT THERE KNOWS ME. JUST STIRRING THE POT AND LAUGHING, DAMN, FUSES ARE GETTING SHORT THE CLOSER IT GETS TO STARTING TIME. WISH I WAS RUNNING THIS YR. WE USED TO CALL THAT OLD TRIMMING METHOD EATING SALAD. IVE HAD MANY A MOUTFULL OF SPIDER WEBS AND GREENERY. HEY GANG TRIMMED TREES OR NOT THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF PORTAGES. ESPECIALLY IF THE RIVER CONTINUES TO DROP. HOPE URE EFFORT. AT SIX MANNING IT, IS A GOOD ONE. GOOOOD LUCK ALL RICHARD THE MEEK RICHARD MILLER <RICHETEL@YAHOO.COM> - Wednesday, May 14, 2003 at 19:15:20 (CDT) KEN, I SURRENDER. I AM NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO RACE U GUYS, I DID NOT MEAN TO KNOCK URE SKILLS AT CANOEING. I GUESS U BACKED ME DOWN. I HUMBLY BOW BEFOR URE SUPERIOR PADDLING SKILLS AND SPEED. HEY JOHN STOCWELL, THAT WAS A GOOD BIT OF INFO ON THE TEST FOR DEHYDRATION. I HAD HEARD THIS BEFOR, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE MAY NOT HAVE. RICHARD (THE BACKDOWN MASTER AND SLOW PADDLER) OUT RICHARD MILLER <RICHETEL@YAHOO.COM> - Wednesday, May 14, 2003 at 18:58:55 (CDT) Concurrently, a run is being made on the Mississippi River Record by a tandem. After 4 days, they had pulled to about 120 miles ahead of the record pace, but have hit head winds and fatigue, heavy cold rain while one of them was trying to sleep last night, and are currently stopped 60+ ahead of the record pace. As I understand, the record was set by V Kreuger at age 59 and his wife -- do NOT cross yr eyes, they averaged San Marcos CP to midway bet Gonzo & Hocheim every day for 23 straight days. Interestingly, this team is in an 80-lb custom Standard, are trying to keep the boat moving, alternating sleeping and paddling. I'll post updates as I get them. john <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Wednesday, May 14, 2003 at 17:44:04 (CDT) My lady surfed up an interesting technique, advocated by a doctor/dermatologist: You can get a quick rough read of dehydration by pinching up the skin on the back of your hand. If it snaps back immediately, you are hydrated. If it takes a second or two, you need water. If it stays pinched up, you need A LOT of water. It works and complements watching yr flow (which can be misleading, yellowed by vitamins, kidneys working when you are dehydrated, not working when you are hydrated). John <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Wednesday, May 14, 2003 at 17:05:43 (CDT) Richard you clearly missed the point. I think I might have used to many multi-syllable words. I am not going to make this a long vs. short boat debate, but to trim or not to trim is, and should be strategic plain and simple. Remember this is a race, a form of competition. What is good for me and my boat might not be good for you in your boat. Gramps you run your mouth a lot, I noticed you backed down earlier this month on a challenge with the Colonel and based on your assessment of my skills surely you would be willing to challenge me to a race? I will race you in anything, anytime, anywhere - you name the wager. Ken K <pmf@y.c> - Wednesday, May 14, 2003 at 16:52:31 (CDT) Richard's not flaming anybody, (I don't think anyway) He just talks like that. Back when he went 4 man with Horsefly and the Stewarts, I'd get worried about him if he didn't call with a weekly wind-up. I myself prefer the old fashioned grooming method of jamming your bowman into the tree and then whatever he rips loose to extricate himself is the hole. Works well but sometimes you have to pay for the golf to balm any hurt feelings. John Mark Harras <JohnMarkHarras@PZLQS.com> - Wednesday, May 14, 2003 at 16:29:27 (CDT) It's just a debate guys, save your energy for the portages that not even the largest of chainsaws or sharpest of saws can deal with. My count at present is 21 portages including Cuero. Some could be eliminated with a little pruning but the vast majority will remain (unless Al-Qaida directs their attention to a few of the dams). The challenge and character of the race will not likely change with a few snips here and there. QUIT ARGUING ABOUT IT, SOMEBODY GET OUT AND DO IT. Lee, I'll babysit for you if need be. Dave Bartell <dbart@lcc.net> - Wednesday, May 14, 2003 at 16:05:37 (CDT) HEY GRUMPY/UGLY MAN......KEN DID NOT ATTACK YOU.....WHY DO YOU GET SO HOSTILE DUDE.........AND CHECK THE RECORDS BEFORE YOU RUN YOUR BIG MOUTH.......HE HAS RUN A LONG BOAT (32ft bugge 4seater)IN 2000 AND IN FACT SURVIVED SOME BAD SPILLS AND LOTS OF JUNK TO BRING HER IN UNDER 47HRS...14TH OVERALL..........AND HE ALSO HAS 2DIFFERENT CLASS WINS (alum and t-u)AS WELL AS THREE TOP 15`s AND HAS SOLO`D TWICE TO BOOT.........HE`S BEEN TO THE DANCE PLENTY AND DOES NOT DESERVE TO BE FLAMED BY YOU...!! dougmackay <dmackay@grindingsource.com> - Wednesday, May 14, 2003 at 15:43:05 (CDT) I agree with Ken. The holes created by trimming can be utilized by the smaller boats but does nothing to level the playing field. Most of the guys that are in the long boats have already raced in the smaller boats. I have only been racing since 97 but I have seen the course be extremely modifed. Down near the coast the cut is pretty much wide open. I remember the first year I went through there. It was a thicket and in order to take the cut you had to be willing to get all cut up and take the pain, the spider bites, and wonder how many gators were in there. Sure it is easier now for everyone, but the extreme advantage to wide open areas goes to the long boat. Since the odds are real slim that a 2 man is going to beat out a 6 man, why not just take the six man around the long way if you dont want to deal with the trees and stuff. In the end of the line your time might be better to cut, but your stories wont be as good, and its kinda like fighting with someone who wont swing back. FUMAR CHOCHAR MOPAR Jon Schoepflin <jon.schoepflin@nextel.com> - Wednesday, May 14, 2003 at 14:20:23 (CDT) Richard you are missing the point, the point being grooming the course is substantially more advantageous to the long boats. Has nothing to do with preference, of course I would prefer to sit in my boat and just paddle. Since everyone has to deal with the various obstacles, and regular boats deal with it better than the long-uns, they get a slight advantage in the upper river. The fact that "they" trimmed up the course in the 70's has no bearing to the argument today, there was not the plethora of 4,5,6+ man boats and the playing field was naturally fairly level. You have been paddling predominantly long boats recently, it is understandable why you want everyone help you put more time on them. If folks feel they need to cut a line think through the trimming and it's placement. Make a hole that normal boats can get through but a 20+ foot boat can't make the turn to get in or out of the hole. Ken K <pmf@y.c> - Wednesday, May 14, 2003 at 14:06:38 (CDT) WHAT I REALLY NEED IS A WATERPROOF CHAINSAW WITH A SNORKLE AIR INTAKED SO'S IT CAN RUN UNDERWATER. THEN WE COULD TAKE THAT PUPPY DOWNUNDER AND GET DOWN TO SOME REAL TRIMMING. TRIMMERS RULE, THE REST OF U TAKE THE PORTAGE. RICHARD MILLER <RICHETEL@YAHOO.COM> - Wednesday, May 14, 2003 at 13:28:14 (CDT) HEY SARGE! NO ONE IS HOLDING AN M 16 TO URE HEAD AND FORCING U OR ANYONE TO RUN THROUGH THE HOLES THE TREE TRIMMERS MAKE. I SUGGEST THAT U PULL UP AND PORTAGE ANY OF THOSE TRIMMED TREES. TREE TRIMING IS AND HAS BEEN PART OF THE SAFARI AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN RUNNING THE SAFARI.(MY FIRST WAS 1975 AND MY LAST RUN WAS LAST YR.) GUESS WHAT! OUR TEAM DID OUR FAIR SHARE OF TRIMMING LAST YR. AND BOY WAS IT FUN. OH YEAH, I REALLY THINK U SHOULD PORTAGE ALL THOSE TRIMMED SPOTS. LOL RICHARD OUT RICHARD MILLER <RICHETEL@YAHOO.COM> - Wednesday, May 14, 2003 at 13:11:52 (CDT) CAPTIAN NEEDED THIS WEEKEND. Barb and I are planing on doing the Dupont to Seadrift Race this weekend, but find ourselves without a Captian. If anyone could help us out we would be grateful. You can email us or call 817-821-0543 Chris Gross <Cs144@aol.com> - Wednesday, May 14, 2003 at 12:52:42 (CDT) Y`all talkin bout TREE TRIMMIN........?? Y`all experts....??Y`ll TRIM them trees to escape from reality....? Me...I am reality and I s%#t on all your TRIMMIN..........!! SGT Barnes <StaffSgt @ 3rdPlatoon.com> - Wednesday, May 14, 2003 at 12:26:08 (CDT) Where might I get an inexpensive spray cover for a 18 1/2 foot wanooe? Scott <sbarnard@donegan.com> - Wednesday, May 14, 2003 at 12:07:22 (CDT) Lee, Easier (especially for the long boats) not "too easy". Part of the challenge of the Safari is dealing with the various obstacles inherent in racing on a small river. If you are tired of your 1400 pound boat there are many lighter choices or maybe we should switch the venue to 260 miles on the Brazos, better yet lets just paddle around Town Lake for a couple of days Gary Robinson AKA baggy tights <grobwbs@txucom.net> - Wednesday, May 14, 2003 at 11:30:24 (CDT) Nicely put Ken! Jon Schoepflin <jon.schoepflin@nextel.com> - Wednesday, May 14, 2003 at 10:58:48 (CDT) There is tree trimming and then there is TREE TRIMMING. Taking out a clear and present danger is different than hacking out a granny trail through the entire upper river. To all of the folks in solo or tandem boats who are considering a prune job, keep in mind you are only giving the long boats a greater advantage over you than they already have. Make 'em work, they have a major advantage already in the lower river. Your advantage IS the upper river with its abundant obstacles, this is the only aspect of the race that keeps the playing field relatively level. Spend the time you would have spent pruning practicing your portaging/boat handling instead. If you have no anticipation of being competitive in the race you shouldn't be messing with the course, and subsequently screwing with someone elses gameplan. Ken K <pmf@y.c> - Wednesday, May 14, 2003 at 10:55:11 (CDT) For those of you doing to bay race this weekend. Asleep at the Keel will again be staying at the Beacon 7 camp ground. Georgie Dade, the owner / operator, is a great person and loves Safari folk. If your considering staying in or around Sea Drift, consider Georgie's place. There were quite a few teams there last year and everyone had a great time visiting on Friday night before the race. scott johnson <johnson_scott@ci.san-marcos.tx.us> - Wednesday, May 14, 2003 at 10:38:26 (CDT) re: tree trimming. If some of you good folks think that tre trimming makes the safari too easy I suggest that you aren't paddling hard and fast enough, e.g. racing. I'm rather tired of slamming a 1400 pound boat at 10 mph into snags and having my ribs, head and appendages beat to hell. I offer gas money to the tree fairies. I would do it myself if I had the time. Lee Deviney <txpaddler@aol.com> - Wednesday, May 14, 2003 at 00:24:41 (CDT) These guys might mess around and do it. http://www.lacostadelgolfo.com/forum/ C.J. Hal <cjhall@itouch.net> - Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 23:33:29 (CDT) I appreciate the (River Termites) A Responsible grouup of Folks. If there are any beter, I would like to meet them. C.J. Hall <cjhall@ituch.net> - Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 23:24:52 (CDT) I was in Seadrift all weekend. It was WINDY. The lower end is (As Usual) as far as I can tell. My Uncle has throw lines all over between I.35 and the bay. Ran them with him Satuday "Early" The wind layed down Sunday at 10:00am. Cut straight across and Hug the Bank. Good Luck. C.J. Hall <cjhall@itouch.net> - Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 23:13:35 (CDT) well, if your gonna remove the trees, don`t forget to spray the openings with reflective paint so that everybody can find the way.........hell,then maybe even Japanese tourists will be able to come to TX and "dosafarisan!".......taking pictures along the way Herman <munsters@1313mockingbird.net> - Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 21:14:56 (CDT) If it is OK to remove trees from the river is it OK to put stuff into the river? FRED <fred@wussesremovetrees> - Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 18:05:14 (CDT) I won't be shamed into being a naturalist on this subject. Trim trim, snip snip. Look at it as beautification and landscaping - and spring/early summer are the best times for a little pruning. Deep down you'll thank me for it. This is not a pro-life / pro-choice debate. The fallen trees are dead. I choose to remove them. :>) Dave Bartell <dbart@lcc.net> - Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 17:46:55 (CDT) WELL SAID JON!! next thing you know Ginger, Mary-Anne and the proffessor will do safari too....... skipper <skipper@littlebuddy.com> - Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 17:13:06 (CDT) There is trouble with the forest there is trouble with the trees, for the paddlers want more pathways, and the chainsaws hear their pleas. Leave it alone. It is only advantageous for the big boats. Why dont we just allow motors, that'd be challenging, right? FUMAR CHOCHAR MOPAR Jon Schoepflin <jon.schoepflin@nextel.com> - Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 16:56:51 (CDT) I encourage "screwing with nature". Please trim away!! Please send the chainsaw gas and oil bill or swede saw sharpening bill to me. Dave Bartell <dbart@lcc.net> - Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 16:35:48 (CDT) long range weather forcasts have no extended rain periods between now and 2nd week in June,...how low can the water go? jed <jed@kinfolksaidjedmoveawayfromthere.net> - Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 15:56:38 (CDT) Question about the check in for the Safari? Can we check in any time on Friday or are we required to be there first thing in the morning? Back to paddeling this Sat night -- I am scared of snakes, bugs, swimming at night and the dark, any suggestions? Jeremy <bdanson@austin.rr.com> - Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 15:37:16 (CDT) Greetings...anyone out there ever suffer from wrist pain? I got it during the prelim and I just can't shake it. I was told that it might be tendonitis??? The pain starts at the wrist just below the thumb and works it's way up the forearm as it gets irritated. Any suggestion besides total rest (no time for that!) James Sutherland <jsutherland@dow.com> - Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 14:59:06 (CDT) If anyone is interested,we are doing a night run from Palmetto to Gonzo this Saturday night. We will be starting between 8:30 and 9:00 pm. This will be our first night run (not counting 30 min last week)so we won't be moving too fast and the more the merrier. We might also run the same stretch Saturday to check out that section. Jeremy <bdanson@austin.rr.com> - Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 09:06:49 (CDT) We did what may have been an amazingly stupid thing last night - we did San Marcos to Staples. It wasn't completely dark until just after the low water crossing below the Martindale dam. The clouds parted and we had about 83% full moon and could see pretty well. At least the bow man could. If you have not done some night paddling, you need to get out there and do some ASAP. It is a different feeling not being able to see everything. Relying on verbal descriptions and watching the bowman's paddling to determine what to do in the stern definitely adds something to the fun. BTW, the river is down a little and there are many low spots that we had to drag the boat through. Also, there is now a tree between Thompson's island and the Blanco-San Marcos confluence that must be portaged. Lots of low hanging foliage so watch out. Robert <flawseeker@hotmail.com> - Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 08:52:11 (CDT) Oh and as far as bugs go. We always take mosquito repellent (for emergencies), but we have never used it. If you are moving along, they can't keep up with you. But, if you stop, especially within 20 miles of the coast, you're in trouble. We stopped for about 10 minutes to put our skirt on at the bay entrance last year, and I thought they were going to lift us up and carry us across the bay. Also, the first couple hours after sunset, the bugs, mainly mayflies, will smother you. In '01 they were 2" deep in the bow of our boat. I use a solid bug net over my face, underneath my hat, just so I can breath. I see just fine through it. They all clear out after a couple hours, I guess the gar eat all of them. tom pope <tpope@co.hays.tx.us> - Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 00:36:58 (CDT) Dang Jonathan, I'm sorry to here the news about your partner. Believe it or not, Roland and I are shooting for sub 60 hours and we also wanted to beat y'all. One of our strategies was for us to smother you out in cigar smoke every time we passed you. There's bound to be someone hanging around here who'd like to be your partner. I can attest that he's very serious and good company to keep you awake through hallucination alley. tom pope <tpope@co.hays.tx.us> - Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 00:22:30 (CDT) Asleep at the Keel: Sounds good. We'll see you at the flag pole. Please have dinner ready. (Big Smile) David Roberts <webmaster@rivermadness.net> - Monday, May 12, 2003 at 20:51:28 (CDT) Help! It's less than a month before the big race (that I have spent 6 months training for), and I just lost my C-2 bow paddler to an elbo infection. If any one out there is intrested in racing but didn't have a partner here is your chance. I was trying for a sub 60 hour race, but I am a little flexible on changing that goal either way. I really want to race this year, so if your intrested please contact me ASAP. Jonathan Redfern Jonathan Redfern <buckeyenatives@earthlink.net> - Monday, May 12, 2003 at 16:36:52 (CDT) We entered for the first time last year in the Novice Category and finished, so this year we are in the Aluminum category. But - I noticed there is a Master's Category. For people over 40! Over 40 is a pretty wide category. In fact, as of today's postings, over half of the participants entered this year are over 40. How about next year having a Masters category for 40 - 49, Senior for 50 - 59, and Golden Oldies for 60 and over (there's at least one 70-year- old entered this year). Age and treachery will overcome youth and ability everytime, and those of us in "Mature" categories don't want an unfair advantage. Just a thought. Captains Outrageous, boat 5557 - He's 55; I'm 57. Bob Brown <rdbrown@tamu.edu> - Monday, May 12, 2003 at 16:10:21 (CDT) Team "Asleep at the Keel" will be fishing and having a beer or two near the flag pole Saturday night after the race. We'll cheer a little when we see you so you'll know what it's like when you finish in the dark. scott johnson <johnson_scott@ci.san-marcos.tx.us> - Monday, May 12, 2003 at 12:26:18 (CDT) Robert, Team Rivermadness (Novice Alumninum) is considering doing a night-run of the bay after the prelim. It's not a certainty yet but I'd say there's a good chance we'll do it. I'm not saying that it's "guided" just that we may be doing it. David Roberts <webmaster@rivermadness.net> - Monday, May 12, 2003 at 11:19:07 (CDT) Is there going to be a guided night-run across the bay after the race this weekend? If so, when will it start? Robert <flawseeker@hotmail.com> - Monday, May 12, 2003 at 09:11:41 (CDT) If you aren't up to driving down for the Dupont Race next weekend, and you'd like a shot at winning $250 1st place money for your class, you can always drop in to the 1st Annual- LakeFest- Jonestown-Starnes Island Race (Lk.Travis) sponsored by the Jonestown Chamber of Commerce (north of Austin) this coming Saturday, May 17th. There is no entry fee, but you must register between 8am and 9:45am at the starting line near the western end of Jones Brothers Park. The race starts at 10am. For more information on the The Race, information on Jonestown's LakeFest Click on the thumbnail for a larger map of the course.  CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netX> - Monday, May 12, 2003 at 01:37:35 (CDT) Fellow soloistas: We are all probably a little sociopathic to run this class but what do you guys ( figure of speech Erin) think of aggregating long enough to get a group photo pre and/or post race ? Mssrs Zimmerman and Mraz are starting to get up there and have maybe thirty Safaris left in them tops. A post shot would capture that " There is no way in hell I'm ever running this SOB in that frapping boat by myself again."........could come in handy come late August ...when we start to get forgetful. Another cool group is the considerable number of racers who,like the race itself are in there fortieth year ( or eighth lustrum if you know who Ned Pepper is). ******* Lastly...that 16 stone mama formerly known as Rodeo Gal is no more!!!She got with the program over the winter and is now known as "Xenadrine Queen" I checked her fine self as she was servicing a 6 man boat on the gravel bar. She's done thrown Grady away like a broke toy and was heard to remark " If I knowed I could order you sumbitches by the six pack I'd a done it a long time ago." Probably the last time the # 4 man fails to attend practice. M P Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Sunday, May 11, 2003 at 23:24:12 (CDT) By chance did anybody get a extra peice of cover from Tom Goynes? I pulled my cover out last week for found I'm missing a section. FYI - river level is getting low making the Staples to Luling section real fun... Paul Ohlemacher <P_Ohle@yahoo.com> - Sunday, May 11, 2003 at 19:59:03 (CDT) Re: Jeremy- Usually the bugs are only bad for about the first 3hrs. after sunset. It gets better as the night goes on. The worst area is the river below Victoria. I use a simple ID badge neckstrap with a velcro attachment to hold my drinking tube. If I wreck or hang it up or fall out, the velcro keeps me from hanging myself. If you look in the photo you can see where I bring the drink tube up under the headnet. This works fine unless they are really bad, then I might tuck the lower part of the headnet into my shirt. Of course at night you won't be as hot and you don't use near as much water so you don't really need the drink tube inside your headnet. Click on the thumbnail photo for a larger image  CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netX> - Sunday, May 11, 2003 at 14:14:21 (CDT) CaptJack, how does your drink tube work with the headnet? Do you leave it in or slip it through when you need it? Jeremy <bdanson@austin.rr.com> - Sunday, May 11, 2003 at 11:19:33 (CDT) Re: Jeremy- What are some good ways to deal with the bugs when paddling at night? I have a mesh headnet that I use for hunting. It has a cutout area around the eyes but everything else is covered. I wear clear safety glasses with the headnet and they work great, especially below Victoria where the mayflies are really thick right after sunset. CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netX> - Sunday, May 11, 2003 at 10:59:44 (CDT) What are some good ways to deal with the bugs when paddling at night? We were on the water for about 30 minutes after dark last night and our lights attracted so many bugs my bow man was swarmed by them. Jeremy <bdanson@austin.rr.com> - Sunday, May 11, 2003 at 09:57:27 (CDT) River levels dropping is a reality of no rain in Central Texas in the spring/summer months, the San Marcos river level is tied to the flow rate of the springs at the headwaters and the inflow from the Blanco River. If you don't get any rain in the Blanco rivershed (hill country), it can and frequently does dry up in the summer. Why it doesn't appear to have dropped 1.5 feet at palmetto will likely have more to do with river cross section at where the gauge is vs. palmetto location and other water measurement caveats. Dogmorestrong <pmf@yh.c> - Thursday, May 08, 2003 at 17:53:02 (CDT) Does anyone know if the dams release on a schedule? I have been told that on you can get a little more speed if you time your portages right. Not that our aluminum boat is going to be breaking the sound barrier or anything... Robert <flawseeker@hotmail.com> - Thursday, May 08, 2003 at 16:35:50 (CDT) Perhaps the water is being help up at staples and the flow has been decreased. Jack Monaco - Thursday, May 08, 2003 at 16:10:50 (CDT) I was looking at the recent gage height and discharge numbers for the San Marcos River at Luling today and according to the USGS, between May 5 and today the gage height has fallen almost 1.5 feet and the discharge almost 200 cfs. For the life of me I cant figure why this would happen. To top that off didn't Luling get some rain the other day. Can anyone explain this drastic, sudden dip in the water level and flow. I was just there this weekend training and the water was fairly high. At palmetto it was flowing over the bridge. Not enough to run, but enough to where you had to be careful with your footing. Thanks for any theories you may provide. MIKE C. <clark0612@juno.com> - Thursday, May 08, 2003 at 10:49:13 (CDT) A hearty THANKS to the wonderful folks that put on the "Prelim" race last weekend. It is great to see a growing enthusiasm and interest in canoe racing (86 boats on the starting line!) and as an out-of-state paddler it was refreshing to see "Safari" friends and meet a host of new people "thinking" about going to the "Big Dance". Paddle hard and be safe, James H. "devo" DeVoglaer James H. "devo" DeVoglaer <j.devoman@verizon.net> - Thursday, May 08, 2003 at 10:15:46 (CDT) FUMAR CHOCHAR MOPAR NO REST FOR THE WEARY # 9 Train every year on the second saturday of June. Jon Schoepflin <jon.schoepflin@nextel.com> - Thursday, May 08, 2003 at 09:50:59 (CDT) Matt, as far as the race, I think it would be well worth it, not only for seeing the race, but for getting to actually race. I know that I paddle harder when there is a race as opposed to a training run. As Paul mentioned, I do know that boat that stopped about 200 yards from the turn. I think the wind blew them back up into the bay as they crossed. They were not sure how far up they were actually blown and they didn't want to paddle too far into the bay. Had they done a night run in the bay, I don't think this team would have made the same mistake. My suggestion, do the race. Then wait till about dark and do the last section again in the dark while the course is still fresh in you mind. Andrew <andrew.n@juno.com> - Thursday, May 08, 2003 at 09:36:47 (CDT) Matt, I'm fairly new to the race (DNF last year... new partner this year...). In my opinion, if you've just started practicing then I'd say you want to see both the bay (and the race on the 17th is a great opportunity to see it under duress) as well as that first 80 miles. In anycase be sure you do the first 80 miles at least once before the Safari. David Roberts <webmaster@rivermadness.net> - Thursday, May 08, 2003 at 08:54:00 (CDT) Matt, Thats 25 bucks well spent... It an investment... There is a cut at the lower sections of the river that looks like a creek, unless you see another boat going into it your going to miss it. I almost miss it the first time I did this section I was looking for it! In the race, you'll see the cut and other parts of this river. The officals made this race for us to see this section of the river (bay) and for good reason. I've heard of people camping out in the bay waiting for the sun to come up so they could see the finish line only to find out that they were about 200 yard from the line and that cost them tons of time... Also races make you a stronger paddler by making you focus on your paddling and river reading. If you have the means do the race! Paul - class of 01 & 02 <P_Ohle@yahoo.com> - Thursday, May 08, 2003 at 08:03:51 (CDT) Matt. Gigem. Class of '84, '87. Advantage would be to see how to run the bay, ie what route to take. Do you take the east route or west route? It is also good to visit with others to get idesa so as not to reinvent the wheel per se. However, you got a plan, so go with it. Key word is "paddle downstream." Best to you and good luck this year. Chris "Huff & Puff" <agiedc@itouch.net> - Wednesday, May 07, 2003 at 22:54:38 (CDT) About the Bay race on the 17th...is there any advantage to running this section during the race? We started parcticing today, and are going to push hard to the race, and were thinking of running the first 80 miles that weekend, and the bay another (and save 25 bucks). Any reason not to do this? Thanks for the help with my question on lights earlierand thanks for any help on this one. Matt Watson <watsonjm@tamu.edu> - Wednesday, May 07, 2003 at 22:19:58 (CDT) I would like to give a Big Congrats to a self-proclaimed sprinter, Phillip Blouin. Many of you may not follow the TCRA egroup, but Phillip disdains marathon. Way to go Phillip, you are one crazy Frenchman : ) Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Wednesday, May 07, 2003 at 11:46:37 (CDT) Brian, I have a few from 2001, but one good source would be Paul Johnston Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Tuesday, May 06, 2003 at 13:48:37 (CDT) Hello, I'm the editor of a new national magazine called Adventure Sports. We cover a variety of human-powered endurance sports, including adventure racing, paddling, mountain biking, trail running and orienteering. We're in desperate need of a few good high-res images from the Texas Water Safari. If you have any images we can consider for publication, please send them to my attention at this email address. We will pay $50 for any images used in the magazine and also include a photographer credit. For more about the magazine, visit www.adventuresportsmagazine.com -- thank you... Brian Metzler <trailedit@aol.com> - Tuesday, May 06, 2003 at 13:14:15 (CDT) Wow, I missed a lot while I was gone. RICHARD, IF YOU MAKE THE DUPONT RACE, I CAN HOOK YOU UP WITH SOME SMOKED, GOOSE SAUSAGE AND INFO ON SAUSAGE MAKING, IF YOU BRING THE BEER. ALSO WONDERING AS I WAS MAKING MY LONG DRIVE TO WORK THIS MORNING ON HOW YOU FIND YOUR BOAT AFTER A WIPEOUT.And thanks Jay for explaining nominal discharge current (NDC). At work, I encounter low to medium rate applications. Another place for batteries including lithiums is www.mouser.com, but they don't list the NDC. Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Tuesday, May 06, 2003 at 08:49:21 (CDT) my partner will out of town 05/17/03,the duepont race.i am a novice racer,if someone is in the same situation as me ,let me know and maybe an arrangement can be made kevin lutz <patricelutz@netzero.com> - Monday, May 05, 2003 at 22:04:21 (CDT) Frank and David... Now how did I come up with Darryl and David ?? Anyway guys, it sure was fun racing you... as for that little 360 trick... That was a result of our captain sending us down the right channel when we knew we were better suited for the left channel... we gave it a try and eddied out rather than slam into that tree that was down. When we came out of it and saw how much closer you guys were, I was pretty hacked! So, I beat Jeff over the head a couple times with my Zav to get him mad enough to paddle harder... David Roberts <webmaster@rivermadness.net> - Monday, May 05, 2003 at 21:04:38 (CDT) Jay, Well ouch... that's about 50 bucks down the drain unless I can cancel that order! And here I thought I had a lighter/cheaper solution than the solution we used last year. Of course, if I can't cancel the order I can probably find a way to use them to destroy my kids' noise-making toys... David Roberts <webmaster@rivermadness.net> - Monday, May 05, 2003 at 20:58:19 (CDT) David, Nominal discharge is the amount of current (in amps) that a battery can discharge and supply its rated amp hours. To the best of my knowledge there are only two types of lithium batteries that do this: Lithium Sulphur Dioxide and Lithium Sulfuryl Chloride. Tadiran Batteries are Lithium Thionyl Chloride and while they do have a high amp hour rating their nominal discharge is measured in milliamps. I hope this helps Jay Daniel Jay Daniel <jhdaniel@sbcglobal.net> - Monday, May 05, 2003 at 20:01:07 (CDT) DAMN, THERE IS PLENTY OF GREAT ADVICE ON THE BULLENTIN BOARD ABOUT LIGHTS. SOME OF U PEOPLE STILL THINK U CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING BETTER. I WILL TELL U WHAT TEAM GRUMPY OLD MEN USED. TWIN MR 11'S ON THE BOW, 2 7.5 VOLT DRYCELL BATTS WHICH MADE 15 VOLTS, 4O AMP HRS OF USE. WE RAN OUR BILGE AND LIGHTS ON THE SAME SUPPLY. THE ONLY PROB IS THE TOTAL WEIGHT IS ABOT 9 LBS FOR THE PACK. THE GOOD THING IS ONLY COST ABOUT 50 BUCKS TO MAKE IT. IF WE RAN BOTH LIGHTS AND HIT THE BILGE AT THE SAME TIME , THE LIGHTS WOULD SLIGHTLY DIM. TOO MUCH AMP DRAW. BUT OTHERWISE IT WAS GREAT. ITS PROBABLY TO LATE TO ORDER THE BATTS NOW BUT CHARLIE STEWART CAN GIVE U THE INFO TO ORDER. RICHARD MILLER <RICHETEL@YAHOO.COM> - Monday, May 05, 2003 at 19:43:04 (CDT) HEY DORNAK IS THAT GOOSE SAUSAGE, OR GEESE SAUSAGE. I DONT KNOW IF IT TAKES MORE THAN ONE GOOSE TO MAKE A SAUSAGE. IS IT A GAGGLE OF SAUSAGE, OR A HERD OF GOOSE'S SAUSAGE? WHATEVER, I WANT SOME./ RICHARD MILLER <RICHETEL@YAHOO.COM> - Monday, May 05, 2003 at 19:17:54 (CDT) Henry, what does nominal discharge current actually mean? I'm waiting for my order of Tadiran TL-5930's to arrive and as I've figured it, I'll be able to power my feeble HMP20 (4.8 volts, .5 amps, 2.4 watts) for about 38 hours using 2 5930's wired in series. When I read your post, it got me to thinking about brighter bulbs and then I realized I don't really understand the term you used. David Roberts <webmaster@rivermadness.net> - Monday, May 05, 2003 at 19:15:24 (CDT) For sale - 49 Zav, med weight, racing single - $110. 51.5 med weight, racing "C1" single - $149.00 Kirton K4 - good condition - $1200.00 Erin quickblade14@hotmail.com PS - thanks to those who sang "Happy Birthday" to me during the Prelim! Erin Magee <quickblade14@hotmail.com> - Monday, May 05, 2003 at 18:37:46 (CDT) Hi Dornak!! Want some of that goose sausage. RICHARD MILLER <richetel@yahoo.com> - Monday, May 05, 2003 at 18:36:00 (CDT) And for someone relatively new to the sport of canoe racing, it was great to see so much talent from all over the state and country at the Prelim. As a paddler or volunteer, if that didn't make you excited, you are probably in the wrong sport. Congrats to the TWS. Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Monday, May 05, 2003 at 17:01:22 (CDT) Jay, West and I looked at the Nominal Discharge Current of the Tadirans and found that is not sufficient to power MR-11s. That is why I always recommend to consult with Jay before you spend a lot of money on Lithiums. Nice save Jay. Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Monday, May 05, 2003 at 16:52:17 (CDT) THANKS ANDREW NELSON FOR TAKINING THIS OLD MAN DOWN THE COURSRE. I REALLY ENJOYED IT. PEOPLE PEOPLE THIS FINE YOUNG MAN IS ONE HELLUVA STRONG PADDLER. AFTER HIS SUFFERING THRU A BROKEN SEAT,ABOUT AN HOUR AFTER THE START AND THEN A NASTY WIPEOUT, HE MANAGED TO GET US TO A SECOND PLACE STANDARD FINISH. HE'S IS ONE HECK OF A STRONG PADDLER, AND I'VE PADDLED WITH A FEW OVER THE YRS. I HOPE EVERYONE ENJOYED THE RACE AS MUCH AS I. GOOD LUCK TO ALL IN THIS YRS SAFARI. THANKS AGAIN ANDREW. RICHARD MILLER <richetel@yahoo.com> - Monday, May 05, 2003 at 16:16:21 (CDT) The TCRA points have been updated through the Texas River Marathon. They are located in the egroup of the TCRA website, txcanoeracing.org, under the files section. Peter Churchman <pc42707@swt.edu> - Monday, May 05, 2003 at 14:19:29 (CDT) Are they going to change the T shirts and finishers plaque this year? Jon Schoepflin <jon.schoepflin@nextel.com> - Monday, May 05, 2003 at 13:38:46 (CDT) Levi: be sure to make a few night runs and a night bay crossing if you can. Chances are It will be dark when you get there. My opinion , the first 60 miles and the Bay crossing are "Must do" sections. I used Vitamin e on my hands and it worked great, not one blister. Do get some good paddles, theres a lot of strokes tween here and there. Tie everything you want to keep so when you turn the boat over to drain it, nothing comes out. Take a sense of humor and sing as often as the mood hits ya. My favorites (we wrote em) are "What the hell is wrong with me' ,"Ouch oh ouch", and "Pass the assinex". Hammer on, never consider quitting, and have your captain show you the freezing cold , drippy wet, Shiner Bochs he/she has for you at the finish. Tastes like victory. J ledbetter <johnmoretime@yahoo.com> - Monday, May 05, 2003 at 13:04:21 (CDT) Linda, for the entire community, thanks again for producing this wonderful event for us all. Thanks to you and to your helpers. John John <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Monday, May 05, 2003 at 08:21:49 (CDT) Sean You can find maps of under the heading, 'River Segments'at Reicherts/CanoeTx website: http://world.std.com/~reichert/canoeTX.htm Tom Pope <tom_r_p@lycos.com> - Monday, May 05, 2003 at 00:41:40 (CDT) DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE TO FIND A TEXAS RIVER MAP ? SEAN - Sunday, May 04, 2003 at 23:20:36 (CDT) Aye team 111 , great race. We allmost had ya'll when you 360'd after Thomaston but ya'll pulled it out . First place novice good job . Anyone insane enough to race aluminum caonoes is allright with me. Team " ALUMINATI " will see yaw at the SWINGIN BRIDGE. FRANK ACKER - Sunday, May 04, 2003 at 23:04:02 (CDT) It is with the utmost disappoint that Team Determination has to withdraw from the two preliminary races and the TWS main race. Since doing my first I was hooked and as of last year one of my young daughters is hooked. However due to my activation to active duty to support the Operations in Iraq as a Fleet Marine Corpsman I will be unable to race and in due course so will my daughter. As for the entry fees to these races, please invest them in the support of the TWS. For I may not be able to race in it this year. However I hope to race in it every year after. Signed, Thomas L. Mendenhall Texasfirefighter/Paramedic Fleet Marine Navy Corpsman Thomas Mendenhall <activeduty@prodigy.net> - Sunday, May 04, 2003 at 22:24:59 (CDT) Found a single blade canoe paddle just downstream of Palmetto low water crossing today, Sun May 4th. If you'd like to claim it send me an email me. David Clark <dlclark@chtech.com> - Sunday, May 04, 2003 at 22:23:17 (CDT) Kevin, You are in luck, we picked up your boots and should be able to leave them at TG or Spencers next weekend. We are in Houston. Don't know about the socks as we weren't brave enough to look inside. We felt that if we had left them there a fisherman would have found them useful. Colin & Julie Colin & Julie Morgan-Grimshaw <cagandjepm@earthlink.net> - Sunday, May 04, 2003 at 21:52:36 (CDT) The Prelim was a huge event yesterday made possible with help from a lot of good folks, some who just saw a need and jumped right in. Let's see now, there was a monstrous check-in---Kit Spelce, Kristin Daniel, and Diane Petrisky were on top of it. Then the siren went off--Darrell Klimitchek started the race. Then the call came out for a little help so Sammy Prochaska traveled upstream where a plan was put into action. Tom Goynes, Joe Mynar, and Bucky Chatham along with a little help from the game warden pulled boat #911 out of it's lodge. Susie, we have one of your paddles, contact us and we'll see about getting it back to you. Rescue #2--boat number 509 also helped off the same place as 911 by the same rescuers. Rescue #3--boat number 1320 rescued by Brian and Fred Mynar upstream of the boat ramp about a mile. All the people were ok, some boats suffered more than others. Thanks to Kit Spelce again for much needed assistance with timekeeping at the finish. We had 86 boats start and 83 finish with the last boat finishing in just over 8 hours. The results are posted thanks to our wonderful webmasters, Robbie and Shannon Cooper. Thank you Bob Spain for the Balance Bars at check-in. I'm sure I've missed someone, but many thanks to everyone who made yesterday such a success. TWS Linda Cochran <lcochran@austin.rr.com> - Sunday, May 04, 2003 at 20:40:38 (CDT) Team 911 is alive and well ... well without 3 paddles (and other gear we really don't care about as much). If anyone found 2 Werner TAP (but they really don't take apart) black shaft with off-white blades and 1 TAP Perception River Passage blue shaft with black blades paddles (with 911 on them), we would appreciate you notifying us. We hit a log about 2 miles after Thomaston Bridge which pinned our boat and forced us to swim out with all we could carry (a bilge, rope, and a seat back cushion)and still felt fortunate for the experience. Knowing how to read the river is only chapter 1. Due to our unfortunate competitive spirit, we opted for the shortest distance and fastest water. The 3 mile hike to the highway was an experience in 'chanklas'; the dogs were friendly, but some people really need to milk their goats. The Game Warden (Mike) out of Cuero retrieved our boat, which we picked up at his house on the way through town today. Sannibel's a good plastic kayak and proved herself a worthy vessel this past race. Don't really like the dnf category we found ourselves in. Thanks for all who stopped to check on us. See many of you all at other river runs this year. Susie Jechow <paddler@delrio.com> - Sunday, May 04, 2003 at 17:55:32 (CDT) Oh.. forgot to ask: If anyone has any photos of our boat - 111 during the race, can you email me at webmaster@rivermadness.net or david_roberts@dell.com? I'd like to get my hands on some photos for our website. Thanks! David Roberts <webmaster@rivermadness.net> - Sunday, May 04, 2003 at 10:37:42 (CDT) The Prelim was fun!!! We raced hard the entire time thanks to Teams "Asleep at the Keel" and "My Therapy" in front of us, (We never did catch you that second time) and an unknown alumninum class boat with "David and Darryl" behind us. (We thought you were gonna catch us a couple times!) Great race guys! We didn't know what to expect out of a race like this but you made us work the entire way and it's the best time I've had on the river yet. See you at Dupont! - Team "We don't have a Team Name Yet" David Roberts & Jeff Eckton (Prelim boat 111 - novice class) <webmaster@rivermadness.net> - Sunday, May 04, 2003 at 09:02:34 (CDT) Sorry Kevin, no socks and boots found but if somebody lost some gear(dry bag, life jackets and water jugs) on the side of the road at the top of the hill at the park -- I found them. Email me and I'll see about getting them back to you. Jeremy <bdanson@austin.rr.com> - Saturday, May 03, 2003 at 21:33:33 (CDT) great race today,our boat was the green battletank,called bayou degradeable,anyway at race end in victora i left my pair of black water boots with blue socks beside the truck as we drove away,if anyone found these items,please let me know,thanks kevin lutz <patricelutz@netzero.com> - Saturday, May 03, 2003 at 21:13:15 (CDT) West, you can try Digi-Key.com. Shop on line or catalog 1-800-344-4539. Suggest 439-1022-ND which is a 3.6 volt 19.0 Amp-hr size in lithium D. Ten will run you close to $200.00. I use other Tadiran's at work, but not these. Also, still have enough capacity form the pack Jay made me last year. As for Johnboythestudly, there is also access from the RR. Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Friday, May 02, 2003 at 14:18:05 (CDT) Now, why did you have to go and spoil the suprise? ;-) You can't believe how much fun it is to think you have 5 or 6 miles left and come around the corner and see the finish line....... Kevin <Trainwreck20@hotmail.com> - Friday, May 02, 2003 at 10:26:29 (CDT) Re: Johnboythestudly - "Speaking of the official course description, the mileage between Cuero 236 and the Victoria City Park is listed as 40 miles, but the Texas River Marathon info says the race is 45 miles long, what gives?" Macho, creative, make ya feel better advertising On Youens chart it's 39.1miles. On Bowden's GPS chart it's 38.35miles. CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netX> - Friday, May 02, 2003 at 10:05:32 (CDT) Okay, so there's another bridge that is not mentioned in the official course description (http://www.tisd.net/~txws/tools_course.htm). Sounds like that Loop 463 bridge might be pretty close to the actual take-out point in Victoria Park. Speaking of the official course description, the mileage between Cuero 236 (Checkpoint #7 - mile 160) and the Victoria City Park Boat Ramp (Checkpoint #8 - mile 200) is listed as 40 miles, but the Texas River Marathon info says the race is 45 miles long(http://www.tisd.net/~txws/race_info_calendar.htm) - what gives? Five miles makes a difference of an hour or more to team Dead Men Paddlin'! Johnboythestudly <johnboythestudly@hotmail.com> - Friday, May 02, 2003 at 08:40:00 (CDT) Johnny, There is a complete Driver's Guide found here: http://www.tisd.net/~txws/tools_guide.htm Robbie Cooper <scoop@austin.rr.com> - Friday, May 02, 2003 at 08:34:37 (CDT) Re: Johnboythestudly - Access points for the Marathon/Prelim The 1st access point, after the start of the race at 236, is the RiverRoad(105) Thomaston bridge just below Thomaston going south on 87. The next access is the Nursery bridge(447). The last is the loop(463) bridge that runs around the north side of Victoria. I guess the 4th access will be to pop a cold one at the finish. CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netX> - Friday, May 02, 2003 at 00:13:33 (CDT) I've e-mailed Bob Fay looking for batteries, but haven't gotten a reply. Has anyone else tried and had any luck? Any other sources for batteries? --West West Hansen <hansen@grandecom.net> - Thursday, May 01, 2003 at 22:20:24 (CDT) All- I see that someone posted earlier that there are '3-4 access points' for TCs to provide water on the section of river in Saturday's race. My partner and I (and our TC) have never run this section of river and were wondering if anyone had more specific information about those access points. In all likelihood it'll take us dang near 10 hours to complete the marathon and it'd be nice to get some refills along the way. Thanks. Johnboythestudly <johnboythestudly@hotmail.com> - Thursday, May 01, 2003 at 21:32:11 (CDT) Will wonders never cease ! Looks like someone finally put some work into the 'Official' TWS website... Very pretty... very easily navigated. Not bad, not bad at all:
Bob Brooks <kayaker@tamu.edu> - Thursday, May 01, 2003 at 19:06:51 (CDT) Is anyone making going to Texas from Colorado that would be able to take an extra canoe? I am bringing two boats down and can only fit one on the jeep. Thanks, Jon Jon Schoepflin <jon.schoepflin@nextel.com> - Thursday, May 01, 2003 at 14:37:47 (CDT) I just found out that my paddling partner won't be able to race in this year's safari with me due to his military obligations to the US Army. As I don't feel like paddling our big 'ole Aluminum down stream solo, I'm looking for a light weight solo boat (limited or unlimited) for the safari. If you're not racing this year or have an extra solo boat that you'd be interested in renting, please let me know. I can pick the boat up in Austin (where I live) or within a couple hundred mile radius if necessary. (512) 785-3472 Robbie Cooper <scoop@austin.rr.com> - Wednesday, April 30, 2003 at 20:46:49 (CDT) Disregard that last posting. I called the manufacturer and found that there are no retailers in Texas. I ordered a tube from a place called ccnow.com. It's still expensive but the cheapest I found on the web. 11.50 plus 4.95 shipping. 16.45 is a lot for a 2 oz. tube but my butt has agreed to spring for half the cost, having not yet forgotten last year. scott johnson - Wednesday, April 30, 2003 at 14:41:01 (CDT) Does anyone know if Hyrdopel is available any place other than on line. I thought I had ordered some last week but it looks like my transaction didn't go through. I'd sure like to have some for Saturday. Asleep at the Keel #535 scott johnson <johnson_scott@ci.san-marcos.tx.us> - Wednesday, April 30, 2003 at 14:16:45 (CDT) Henry, please call me 713.653.7872 thanks mike stinson <stinsonmike@hotmail.com> - Wednesday, April 30, 2003 at 11:10:00 (CDT) And Levi for this weekend unless you can take off during the week for a practice run, just take what you have to the Prelim, keep it light and make sure to hydrate and follow a boat you can stay with. Unless you have permission from a landowner on the river, your TC can only meet you at 3 to 4 places and check your progress/give you water. Unless you have exceptional raw talent, you will be among paddlers that will talk with you down the course. Find out if they know the river and ask a few questions. Between Thomaston and Nursery, there are some rapids that may prove interesting to you and if the water level keeps going down, you can be certain of some decent standing waves, pushy water and exposed large rocks. If you feel comfortable to Thomaston then hang in there, since you are approaching half-way on the course. Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Wednesday, April 30, 2003 at 10:46:27 (CDT) My PFD has been FOUND! Thanks everyone! Ginger Turner <gingerct@juno.com> - Wednesday, April 30, 2003 at 10:01:07 (CDT) Team FUMAR CHOCHAR MOPAR trains every year for the next year. We usually train on the second saturday of june for the next second saturday in june. One thing you may find helpful the night before the race you can find at R & R spirits. Its on the way if your starting in Austin. NO REST FOR THE WEARY # 9. Stace did you take care of that? Pull Posistion depends on it. Jon Schoepflin <jon.schoepflin@nextel.com> - Wednesday, April 30, 2003 at 09:55:07 (CDT) Levi, Call me at 361-749-1800 and you can use my bent shaft paddles. Been there, done that on a budget & I will be glad to help. Ken Shaver Ken Shaver - Wednesday, April 30, 2003 at 09:32:07 (CDT) levi,GO FOR IT MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! FUMAR MOPAR CHOCHAR Stacy H. Greer <greerhead@hotmail.com> - Wednesday, April 30, 2003 at 09:02:55 (CDT) Levi, we are first timers too. Our boat is slow and our equipment is makeshift but like you we just want to finish. Maybe be more competative next year. One of the greatest purchases that we made was our bent shaft paddles. We did several training runs with the Wal-Mart specials and never realized the difference in effort until we got the bent shafts. You have a few weeks and need to train as much as possible. Everyone says that you need to see at least the first 90 mile of the river and they are right. Its tight and winding and will make you a good paddler in no time. I also learned more from reading the bilboards (even last years) than anywhere else. Good luck and see you at the race. Mike <clark0612@juno.com> - Wednesday, April 30, 2003 at 08:52:54 (CDT) Levi I recommend getting some decent bent-shaft paddles, the best are carbon Zaverals for 150 or so. You can get some very good and very lightweigt wooden Camp paddles for about 75 (on the internet or TG Canoe in San Marcos). Take an extra paddle. Have good head mounted lamps that you wear on your head. Also need a light mounted to front of boat. Seen everything from taped on Maglites to 12 volt MR-11's. Plenty of batteries (typically a set per night).Take very high calorie versus weight ratio food. Ramen noodles, goo, candy bars, gatorade mix, fritos, raisins, and power bars fall into this category. Don't take a stove or anything you need to cook. Hydropel or Desitin diaper ointment to keep your hands water repellent. Plastic tractor seats (TG Canoe in San Marcos)with 1/2 foam pads. Figure out how one person can sleep in the boat while the other paddles. These are all necessities and there are more that I havent thought of. Paddle hard 2-3 times a week starting yesterday. If you can do the 45 mile prelim this weekend, you will at least have an inkling of an idea of what to expect. You need to do a lot of homework and you can finish in about any kind of canoe if you are determined enough. If you don't finish, you'll definitly finish next year. Tom Pope <tom_r_p@lycos.com> - Wednesday, April 30, 2003 at 00:03:14 (CDT) Levi: That is exactly how many of us started. Recommend read the billboard, follow some other leads of novices, ask lots of questions, and you will be overwhelmed with assistance. It is a great and life-changing experience. Go to links and read Safari info to start learning. best of luck. Chris Chris <Huff & Puff agiedc@itouch.net> - Tuesday, April 29, 2003 at 22:18:32 (CDT) Got a question for anyone that knows anything about the Texas Water Safari...A buddy and I want to run the race...we are both fairly inexperienced at the sport but we have it in our head that we want to finish the race...we understand we have no shot to win, we simply want to finish under the 100 hour limit...we both are in pretty good shape and are willing to bust our tails to get ready...oh yea, we have an old canoe in fairly good shape and a set of wooden Wal-Mart paddles...we are operating on a limited budget...are we out of our minds or can we realistically get ready...chances are we are gonna do it anyway so any advice from some veterans would be greatly appreciated...thanks in advance to all....Levi Levi Montgomery <RM1110@swt.edu> - Tuesday, April 29, 2003 at 20:33:18 (CDT) I'm looking for Liam. His old e-mail is invalid and was wondering if he was going to be a repeat repeat offender this yaer? Anyone? Wes Sheward <wessheward@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, April 29, 2003 at 11:19:55 (CDT) Still looking for a marathon captain....we'd be glad to pay someone! Lauren Redman <redman@wisp-usa.net> - Tuesday, April 29, 2003 at 08:27:05 (CDT) Double shotgun start. Great waves. Yee haw! No shuttle. Need to provide own return to Cuero, but can probably get a ride, I did say probably - no definite. Start? Was it 9am I think? Someone else will chime in who knows. Best and good luck. CHris Huff & Puff <agiedc@itouch.net> - Monday, April 28, 2003 at 21:29:02 (CDT) Registration for the Texas River Marathon, AKA the Prelim, begins at 7:30 a.m. and ends at 8:45 a.m. Saturday morning. All racers and team captains (mandatory)need to report to the registration table to sign insurance waivers. Shuttles are not provided. There will be a mass start promptly at 9 a.m. See ya there. Linda Cochran <lcochran@austin.rr.com> - Monday, April 28, 2003 at 21:28:44 (CDT) I have a few questions about the prelim: 1. What time is check in? 2.Will a shuttle back to Cuero 236 be provided or do we need to drop a truck at Victoria. 3. How is the starting lineup determined. Thanks Jeremy <bdanson@austin.rr.com> - Monday, April 28, 2003 at 21:15:28 (CDT) Holly, regarding your question about paddling with tendonitis in your wrist, yes I've done it. Take lots of your favorite anti-inflammatory and ice it after each training run. I made these ice packs attached to an ace bandage, so I could ice it during the race. Worked well, and worth the effort. During the race, I wore an elastic sleeve (ace bandage material again), not too tight. Halfway through I was wishing I had one on both wrists, even though the other one was not hurting, just to even things out. Funny how after 20 hours of paddling one small thing on one arm makes you feel off-balanced! And no, there are not choices about boats in womens class. (Although you could look at it that there are no restrictions.) Just one class: womens. Often there is only 1 boat, if any, in the class. This year I already know of 5!!! Good luck to you and your partner. Ginger Turner <gingerct@juno.com> - Monday, April 28, 2003 at 15:54:35 (CDT) Lost: double blade, carbon shaft with blue kevlar baldes. I lost it under the cotten-seed tree between Prairie Lee 2 and Stairtown. If you find it drop it off at Spencers or give me a call at 512 457 1164, or drop me an email. I will be at the prelim. I hate to lose that one. You might take note if you are not into log jumping you will want to portage left there. My best to all, rusty Rusty Bailey <rustybailey@earthlink.net> - Monday, April 28, 2003 at 14:53:32 (CDT) For sale: brand new, never used Prijon Barracuda; yellow. This is latest boat from Prijon and has just hit the states. It is a 17' British style racing tour boat constructed from the usual Prijon HTP materials. This boat has so many goodies on it that I would spend all morning describing them. To get a look at it, go to the Wildwasser/Prijon websight. Click on the touring page, then click the yellow "touring" tab in the upper left of the page and scroll down to "barracuda". As I stated above, this boat is brand new. It has'nt even touched the water yet. It has come from the store, to my house, and then wrapped and stored after I applied three coats of wax to it. the boat retails for $1450 I am asking $1350 and I'm throwing in a spray skirt. woodrow <hellbentcelt2@aol.com> - Monday, April 28, 2003 at 10:38:13 (CDT) Stace, I think you may be referring to Karen Starz. AKA "The River Goddess". Jon Schoepflin <jon.schoepflin@nextel.com> - Monday, April 28, 2003 at 08:38:46 (CDT) Roy, Thank You for locating the missing beer. In the future all inspections should be redirected through me. This is to insure that the insurance will pay any claim should we decide that the loss is more then our deductible. Please except the remaining empty cans as a symbol of our gratitude. Jon Schoepflin <jon.schoepflin@nextel.com> - Monday, April 28, 2003 at 08:35:16 (CDT) Stacy, We found your beer!! It was stuck in a sweeper, but don't worry we rescued it. I have bad news though, it appears that when we made it to our take out, we were concearned that the beer may have been damaged or had gone bad so we opened one to taste it and to ensure it's quality. Actually quality was good and after inspecting the remaining brews it has been determined that your beer was good. Very good infact. BUT wait I do have good news. We still have the beer cans themeslves that you lost and we will gladly return them at the next race. =:-) Roy - Monday, April 28, 2003 at 07:15:24 (CDT) We are looking for a captain for the marathon. Ours dropped out at the last minute. Lauren Redman <redman@wisp-usa.net> - Sunday, April 27, 2003 at 12:12:36 (CDT) to all! Jon and I have lost our beer! if anyone sees any beer, please contact either one of us immediatly...thank you Stacy H. Greer <greerhead@hotmail.com> - Friday, April 25, 2003 at 23:39:31 (CDT) Hey Norm! Thanks for the prop man. It is good to hear ya, jon and I look forward to finding you on the river as you are one of our favorite racers. Karen Starnes being our most fave, nudgity nudge SAY NO MORE...SAY NO MORE!! We hve aquired a new fumar chochar mopar water vessel, sleek stunning BETTER STRONGER BETTER than before. Stacy H. Greer <greerhead@hotmail.com> - Friday, April 25, 2003 at 23:32:57 (CDT) LOST PFD! My faded pink PFD is somewhere between Stairtown and Palmetto. Please be on the look-out for it and call me if you find it. It's got a front zipper and 2 front zipper pockets. (If you find it, you can keep the power bar in the pocket as your prize!) Thanks!!! 512-459-5742 Mike, as of Saturday, April 19, S O Ottine was runnable with no problems. There is a downed log about 100 yards past Little Ottine which some have had some trouble with. (Including yours truly.) I weaved through on the right the second time. Ginger Turner <gingerct@juno.com> - Friday, April 25, 2003 at 15:25:07 (CDT) Hey West, tell you what,.....you can have mine (ole #1836 Kieffer/TommyP winner TU boat from 2001) but you gotta take me with you.......!! Anyway, you owe me from the time you busted our rudder w/your pickup truck the night before 2000 safari...remember.....turned out expensive$$ we could put some cannon balls under your slider to get trim as I`m 300lbs, in fact, I`m quite sure that I`m the only 300 lber to ever finish under 47hrs.....whatcha say...?? deal..?? diesel diego (3 for 3) doug <dmackay@grindingsource.com> - Friday, April 25, 2003 at 13:30:27 (CDT) I'm looking to borrow or rent a tandem unlimited boat for the TWS. I'd prefer an old style ICF boat, but will consider other options. I'll fix up a baked or broken boat, if need be and will return it in better shape than I receive it. Please contact me at hansen@grandecom.net Thanks. --West Hansen West Hansen <hansen@grandecom.net> - Friday, April 25, 2003 at 06:46:45 (CDT) Re: Lights -- Like Jon says,"smoke em if you got em" -- if you've got great lights, God bless you and I hope I get to follow you at night. I have never had good lights, and some year, I'm going to have them. I know I can't paddle as fast as I could if I had great lights. (maybe it's my eyes -- maybe it's because I'm solo -- maybe it's because I'm no good!) I can tell you that if you are blest to have Jon and Stacy running ahead of you in the dark, you are in for some pretty sweet paddling -- they make real good time at night,they're entertaining company, and in that big ol' barge they paddle, they clear anything out of the way; just give them a little room for the odd last second correction. I have followed others at night, (with and without lights) and have been run into some pretty interesting, scary, exciting, slimy, just plain creepy stuff. TIP For First Time Racers: if your lights fail, and you're not comfortable in the dark, don't waste energy running into stuff and fighting with each other -- just rest up and wait for somebody with lights to pass you and fall in behind them. 5/6 ( alum '78, 5 solo starts, 4 solo finishes '98-'02) Norm <nthomas90252@aol.com> - Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 22:19:49 (CDT) M.P. Your diagnosis is right on the money.But, I am going to wait a year and go 2004 with my daughter & partner Paul Heaton. He just started a new job in Africa, so it is hard to practice. I am glad to here your friend is enjoying theboat. Hope to see you both at the start this year. Ken Shaver - Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 21:27:59 (CDT) Henry: Jet skiiers are the best possible combination... They are young/ dumb , trashed, and run no lights. Damn hard to hit w/ a sidearm at night too ... har har. Ken: You have been dropping in on the board more frequently lately... As a nurse schooled in addictive behaviors I can easily DX you w/ Safari withdrawal. Elaine has been doing a good job keeping your old boat wet. Regards from the Hill Country brother. M P Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 16:31:45 (CDT) Dennis, I remember spending a few hours on the same rock bar last year, & Norm was there also. If ya'll are running the TWS this year, GOOD luck& keep the paddle in the water. Ken (Boat 510) Ken Shaver - Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 12:51:32 (CDT) Dennis, I remember that. We'll be there. jon schoepflin <jon.schoepflin@nextel.com> - Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 12:50:21 (CDT) Oh Stacy, now I'm nervous. The last time I heard that go to your mother line was right before Tim and I dumped and lost most of our paddles and lights somewhere above Nursery in last year's safari. Y'all passed us several times in the darkness. Go angelfish! Did you guys get a new canoe yet? Dennis 6550 TWS 1\1 Dennis Terwilliger <kind@gte.net> - Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 11:05:14 (CDT) And one more thing about boaters, there are intoxicated boaters like auto drivers, so it is something to be aware of. And I believe it has been less than 10 years or I am just getting old and it has been longer that there are laws that affect intoxicated boaters like motor vehicle drivers. And TP&WD game wardens do enforce them. I don't have the figures, but the majority of boater accidents are caused by operators under the influencs and my favorite (just kidding) jet skiis. Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 10:00:01 (CDT) In the case of night power boaters, there are basically 4 types: flounder rigs, trout rigs, redfish rigs and barges. In rough conditions (bad seas), you primarily have to watch for barges, which normally use high-mounted, huge, dual spots. They will normally see you, but give them plenty of room. The trout rigs will normally fish until dark and then leave the bay. The redfish rigs may fish all night and will be anchored. The flounder rigs will normally have sufficient light from onboard alternators and run all night. Flounder rigs will usually be on the bay when it is rather calm and the better fisherman will leave the boat ramp around midnight and fish until dawn. The warmer the weather gets and the calmer the bay the more the night boaters will adventure out. Luckily for a night fisherman like me, most boaters are off the water after dark. There are basically 4 reasons why they won't have lights on at night. First is corrosion - their lights simply don't work. Second, most small jon boats are not factory equipped with running lights and the owner doesn't install them. Third, Old Salts that have ran the bay so much that they feel that they don't need lights. Fourth, others that don't turn them on, since they think it is cool to run dark. Fortunately, the Seadrift area is an out of the way spot for most fisherman except locals, but it only takes one careless boater to ruin your night. Hope this helps from a young, Old Salt. After 4 night runs this year across nice bays, I haven't seen a soul. Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 09:22:06 (CDT) Subject: A Light at Night on a Canoe in the Bay. Just-in-case it hasen't been brought up this year, other than by RICHARD MILLER, self preservation may be the key? Any "LAW" written by people "versus" the 'Laws of PHYSICS' of an impact between a canoe and a 70hp (unlighted) outboard motor boat traveling at speeds in excess of 30mph, picking a winner may not be easy but, picking the loosers would certainly be easier. The locals can tell you that there few who run relatively fast outboards at night without lights regardless of the LAW. Please::: (if all else fails) keep a light handy! ! ! Hugo Ackermann Jr. (alias - Sweep Judge ) <hippshooter@hotmail.com> - Thursday, April 24, 2003 at 00:51:17 (CDT) Is the river staying up enough so that S O Ottine is runnable w/o difficulty in a solo boat ? M P Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Wednesday, April 23, 2003 at 15:36:52 (CDT) Re: Light Requirements of the Safari and what is the Law? The Safari requires: Rule#11 "..a white light for night travel." The U.S.CoastGuard requires: "Manually powered vessels should have at least an electric torch (flashlight) or lighted lantern that can show a white light in sufficient time to prevent collision". Texas Water Safety Act - Texas Parks & Wildlife - State Waters - "All vessels including motorboats, canoes, kayaks, punts, rowboats, rubber rafts, or other vessels when not at dock must have and exhibit at least one bright light, lantern or flashlight visible all around the horizon (360* white stern light) from sunset to sunrise in all weather and during restricted visibility. White lights shall be visible at a distance of at least two (2) miles. "Visible" when applied to lights, means visible on dark nights with clear atmosphere". Since the Safari crosses SanAntonioBay, which is state waters, the state law supersedes the CoastGuard's federal waters requirement. If we were stopped and inspected for equipment it would be by a TP&W game warden and not a CoastGuard vessel. If you are stopped by a game warden, even during the day, you are required by law to have the "360* stern light" in operating condition and in the vessel. The Safari rule does not meet the letter of the law although I have never heard of anyone in the race being stopped by a TP&W game warden and having an equipment inspection- but it could happen... This is a photo of the lights on my Pamlico. I had my stern light with me in both Safaris that I've run but I didn't need my lights because I crossed the bay in the morning.  CaptJack USCG 100ton OceanOperator/AnyOceans - TWS 2/1(both solo) Capt. Jack Krohn <captjack@ev1.netx> - Wednesday, April 23, 2003 at 15:08:16 (CDT) FUMAR CHOCHAR MOPAR...The silent partner speaks! the angel fish baby! It is very helpful, keeps us straight. As for our light. We have the most powerful light known to man kind, other than the odvious. Now the moon light is not for everyone,although once embrassed, you will find that there is not a lighter sollution. Yes, we will trudge through the waters until we are unable and then we will simply keep paddling. I think I can speak for my partner when I say...FUMAR CHOCHAR MOPAR!!! NO REST FOR THE WEARY!! and if all life comes from the sea,GET BACK TO THE WOMB!!! Stacy H. Greer <greerhead@hotmail.com> - Wednesday, April 23, 2003 at 12:40:00 (CDT) HEY JON, I QUIT SMOKING THAT STUFF IN THE LATE 60'S. OR WAS IT THE EARLY 70'S. ITS ALL FOGGY. HEY, LAST YEAR, I SAW A 10 FT PELICAN WHO WAS WEARING A BLUE HAT AND BIG ORANGE SHOES, BUT I COULD NOT CONVINCE THE GUYS TO FOLLOW IT. U ARE RIGHT THE RIVER ONLY RUNS ONE WAY, BUT I'VE SEEN LOW WATER CONDITIONS WHERE LONG STRETCHS OF THE RIVER WAS NEARLY DEAD. IT WOULD BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW IF U WERE GOING UPSTREAM OR DOWNSTREAM(IF U GOT TURNED AROUND). IT REALLY SOUNDS TO ME LIKE U HAVE NEVER REALLY HAD NOR RIGGED A GOOD SET OF BOW LIGHTS. OH WELL, TO EACH HIS OWN. HEY IF IT MAKES U FEEL ANY BETTER, I DONT CARE IF MY BOAT HAS LIGHTS OR NOT. I DON SEE ANYTHING AT NIGHT ANYHOW. GOOD LUCK THIS YR. RICHARD MILLER <RICHETEL@yahoo.com> - Wednesday, April 23, 2003 at 11:48:49 (CDT) Richard, Smoke em' if you got em'. You can call it what you like. the star constelations that is. We prefer to make up our own names for them. As for what to do when they arnt out. Well, I guess its a good thing the river goes down river. Point down river and paddle. Enjoy your smoke. FUMAR CHOCHAR MOPAR jon schoepflin <jon.schoepflin@nextel.com> - Wednesday, April 23, 2003 at 11:17:05 (CDT) HEY JON, WHAT IF THE ANGELFISH AREN'T OUT, WHAT DO U DO THEN? I GUESS U STOP AND WAIT FOR THEM TO APPEAR. OR MAYBE U FOLLOW THE DEVILFISH, OR SHARKS OR REDFISH,ECT. I'VE HEARD SOME TALL STORIES, BUT U TAKE THE CAKE. I NEED SOME OF WHAT U ARE SMOKING WHEN U HIT THE BAY. RICHARD MILLER <RICHETEL@YAHOO.COM> - Wednesday, April 23, 2003 at 10:58:48 (CDT) Ken, I didn't intend to imply that Jon used lights on the river. His Angelfish technique is something new to me and I find interesting. Don't plan on using GPS this year, so Jon may be on to something that I need to try, but unless my bombproof lights explode I plan on using the MR-11s. Last year, we had at one time 5 boats following us. Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Wednesday, April 23, 2003 at 10:11:38 (CDT) In 2002, I followed FUMAR down the river until they ran by me at Thomaston. They were running without lights & were paddling as if in the middle of the day. These guys have fun and are really nice guys. I hope to see them again this year, even though I am taking the year off.Good luck to all who enter, I'm slow and have finished twice, once tandem & once solo. The race has definitely changed my perspective on life. Ken Shaver - Wednesday, April 23, 2003 at 09:11:26 (CDT) Henry, You have a better memory than I do. We did have our lights on in the bay because it is a requirement. We only run without lights on the river. We will be there again. Hope to see you. Until then. Adios. FUMAR CHOCHAR MOPAR jon schoepflin <jon.schoepflin@nextel.com> - Wednesday, April 23, 2003 at 09:03:53 (CDT) Jon, since Laura and I had different sleeping patterns during our second night of Safari, I counted over 15 boats pass us before we got back going to Cheapside. Of those 15 plus boats, only one was running without lights that I recall and it was Boat 213, which to me was surprising since they almost wrapped their boat in daylight at Cottonseed. You were the boat before us at Cheapside, but I was a little blurried eyed that morning and don't remember whether you were running lights and I did watch you reach the Seawall with your lights on. Fun race and you had a good support crew at Dupont. See you again this year during Safari or maybe not : ) Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Wednesday, April 23, 2003 at 08:30:54 (CDT) tr.v. o·ver·rat·ed, o·ver·rat·ing, o·ver·rates To overestimate the merits of; rate too highly. This means that I do not find a light highly valuble for the most part. My partner and I ussually bring 3 lights. Two Petzl headlamps and a main bow light. In the last 6 of 6 safaris we have lost our main light or damaged it somehow. Because the Petzl are not the best for illumination we opted to forgo the use of lights all together and found that we did much better without a light at all. When we had a light for a brief period we found ourselves taking to much time to search for objects in the water. When we did not use a light our eyes adjusted such that we could use the moonlight and shadows to see objects and pathways to follow on the river. Other than the river only goes downstream, we use the Angelfish (formation of stars) to make sure we have not taken any wrong turns. You can ask Norm his take on our system if there are any questions on its effectivness. We aint the best paddlers on the river, but we get there and have fun in the process. FUMAR CHOCHAR MOPAR Jon Schoepflin <jon.schoepflin@nextel.com> - Wednesday, April 23, 2003 at 08:17:00 (CDT) Henry, I say "lights are overrated" Jon Schoepflin <jon.schoepflin@nextel.com> - Wednesday, April 23, 2003 at 07:31:50 (CDT) Lights are actually required by both the rules of the race and by the coast guard once you enter the bay. By the rules of the race you cannot take on any new gear after the race starts. You will want to make sure that you retain at least one white light and the juice to power it through the bay. I would agree that the light serves little or no purpose to the racer, it is more for saftey and so that other boats can see you. Of course, if you go the wrong way you may find your self in the barge channel, at which point the light wont be of much help either. The best bet for the bay is hammer straight across and keep paddling against the current till you cant paddle any more. Then keep paddling against the current until you cant paddle any more, and so on and so on. As for lights on the river, I think everyone else should use them. They are very helpful in slowing you down because you will be very focussed on your surroundings as you attempt to miss some hazard in the water. Mean while, those without lights will scoot right by undetected as they use shadows to navigate the river. FUMAR CHOCHAR MOPAR. Jon Schoepflin <jon.schoepflin@nextel.com> - Wednesday, April 23, 2003 at 07:29:23 (CDT) Mike as I recall you must have a white light in the boat that works. I don't believe that it must be on. You would probably be disqualified, and possibly ostracized, if you did NOT stop and render aid to another racer in distress. The rules read that you are disqualified when you accept help from someone else. Jay Daniel <jhdaniel@sbcglobal.net> - Wednesday, April 23, 2003 at 01:02:35 (CDT) Are participants required to have a light shining while they're in the bay, or are we just required to have a working light in our possession? If I see someone in distress, say a snakebite victim, can I stop and administer first aid and continue without being penalized? What if I give an injured or wounded person a lift to the next bridge? Will I be disqualified? Mike V. <mikev15@hotmail.com> - Tuesday, April 22, 2003 at 21:48:55 (CDT) HEY MOPAR DUDE, HEMI'S RULE, BUT I MUST CONCUR (AGREE) WITH HENRY. WE ARE VERY LUCKY THAT THE U.S.COASTGUARD ALLOWS US TO RACE ACROSS THE BAY,AT NIGHT, AT ALL. LIGHTS MIGHT NOT LET U SEE MUCH IN THE BAY, BUT IT HELPS OTHERS SEE U. THE LAWS COULD REQUIRE US TO RUN BOW AND STERN LIGHTS, LETS LEAVE IT ALONE/UNLESS U DON'T CARE. TAKE CARE MOPAR, AND GOOD LUCK. WHEN IT HURTS, DIG A LITTLE DEEPER IN THE WELL AND HURT SOME MORE. RICHARD MILLER <RICHETEL@YAHOO.COM> - Tuesday, April 22, 2003 at 16:47:37 (CDT) Jon, I hope you are not serious. I grew up on the river and the bay, so despite being a rookie, I have found that unless you are running a high speed power boat, trying to let some other boater see you (i.e. barge) or dodging the posts along the Seawall that lights at night on the bay are near worthless for a paddler. To travel any bay at night effectively, you better know where you are, let your eyes adjust to the darkness so you can see small islands and the shape of the coastline and know the lights surrounding the bay including the channel markers. And I know this may sound strange, but you can ask Laura, as I showed her how to use the stars at night to navigate the bay. Good luck. Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Tuesday, April 22, 2003 at 16:10:33 (CDT) Lights are overrated and only required in the bay. Follow the Angelfish to the bay using the moonlight as your guide. Dont worry about all the stuff your hear out there in the water. You probably dont want to know what it is anyhow. FUMAR CHOCHAR MOPAR Jon Schoepflin <jon.schoepflin@nextel.com> - Tuesday, April 22, 2003 at 15:40:45 (CDT) Oh and to my knowledge, LEDs aren't designed for punch and definitely won't overpower a full moon. They provide a light with low power draw, but the expert on Safari lights is Jay Daniel. And as far as cow rescueing, last year on the Colorado I was able to contact the local sheriff and make a save. GPS is a great idea, if you have it along. The other save is grazing in my brother's backyard. His wife would love for someone to find the rancher, but not always possible. Most of the time we are too late. Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Tuesday, April 22, 2003 at 14:20:07 (CDT) Hopefully everyone is aware that the snakes are out in force. Saw two cottonmouths last weekend and left one hanging near the hard left turn below the Palmetto logjam. Something probably came along and ate it, but not left to frighten the timid. Come to think of it, if you are reading this you aren't timid. And there were a lot of dead cows. I counted nine. See you at the logjams. Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Tuesday, April 22, 2003 at 14:13:17 (CDT) LED's are not bright enough yet. Follow this link (http://www.semula.com/shootout/frameset.html) to a webpage that demonstrates a few incandescent vs. a ton of LED-based flashlights. Robert Dail (0/0) <flawseeker@hotmail.com> - Monday, April 21, 2003 at 21:57:12 (CDT) HEY GANG, I WILL PROOF-READ ANYONE'S POST ON THE BULLETIN BOARD, AT NO CHARGE. LOL MAN, I SPELL GOOD! RICHARD MILLER <RICHETEL@YAHOO.COM> - Monday, April 21, 2003 at 19:19:11 (CDT) HEY ANDREW, IF SUCH PROBLEMS AS RUJNNING WITH A BLIND OLD FART DON'T SO MUCH BOTHER U , I WILL RUN IT WITH U. I DON;T GUARANTEE ANYTHING, EXCEPT I WILL PADDLE HARD. I HAVEN'T PUT A PADDLE IN THE WAZTER SINCE (TEAM GRUMPY OLD MEN) I HIT THE SEAWALL LAST JUNE. I PROMISE IT WOULD BE FUN. I HAVE NBOT PADDLED, BUT I DO WORK OUT IN THE GYM 5 DAYS A WEEK. Richard Miller <richetel@yahoo.com> - Monday, April 21, 2003 at 18:25:13 (CDT) Here I am breaking my own rule on electronics! I think the light output isn't there yet on LED's. Plus they are really expensive, I think you'll be most of the way to buying lithium batteries by the time you've paid for the LED cluster. Now if you get the cluster anyway I think you'd need to keep the viewing angle fairly tight, maybe 8-15 degrees? But that said - My team members will kill me if they find me giving "Advice" about lights. The last battery set I rigged only worked when we flipped over in the Bay. JMH (17) (but never with lights when I rigged them) John Mark Harras <JohnMarkHarras@PZLQS.com> - Monday, April 21, 2003 at 16:30:41 (CDT) Light question for a first timer. Has anyone tried to run with LED's? They have MR-11 sized LED lights with anywhere from 16 to 36 LED's. I'm just worried about the brightness and projection of the light. But they suck way less battery power, and as we're planning on at least three nights, the weight starts to add up. Thanks. Matt Watson <watsonjm@tamu.edu> - Monday, April 21, 2003 at 14:59:59 (CDT) Re Jon : Sounds like your cow was born using the Boyer methode' .Knowing you boys you taught him to drink, smoke and cuss before teaching him to walk ! We had a young buck on a ranch here in Kerrville that was delivered by emergent C- section after mom was car hit. Funny as hell to watch him trail along with hunters and bed down at the blind , then follow them back again like a dog. Almost as funny as us the day we tagged his ear...he got a lot less tame in a hurry. ********* Anecdotally : What might be an actual useful role for GPS silliness on the river ... shoot a position for any stranded bovines encountered and report it to some central phone # so that RANCHERS ( not farmers ,pilgrim) could coordinate extrication. This might also improve landowner - canoist relations. What do you guys think...stupid or valid idea ? M P Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Monday, April 21, 2003 at 14:28:11 (CDT) Ran under the low water bridge in Martindale on Saturday and could smell the wood. I was in the stern in an 18' Sundowner. Made it with about 4-6" clearance. Water level on San Marcos was 6'/275 cfs and the Blanco was 5.4' and 146 cfs approx. A good gauge seems to be the pipes on the right at Martindale dam. If the tops are within 2-3" below the surface you should be able to get under the bridge. NO warranties or guarantees are expressed or implied with this info if you crack your skull. 4 starts/3 finishes. Darryl Jiral <drj@co.hays.tx.us> - Monday, April 21, 2003 at 09:36:22 (CDT) Talking Cows. Greer and I rescued Norman the Cow from a mudhole once during a training run. It took us 2 hours to dig his Arss out. But believe it or not we got him out and paddled him down river. He was a newborn and still had imbelical cord. So we had to teach him to walk too. FUMAR CHOCHAR MOPAR Jon Schoepflin <jon.schoepflin@nextel.com> - Monday, April 21, 2003 at 09:31:17 (CDT) Does anyone know the dam release schedule? Just trying to coordinate this info with our paddling schedule. Thanks! Rob (0/0) Robert <flawseeker@hotmail.com> - Monday, April 21, 2003 at 09:02:22 (CDT) David: Have you been watching us train? That is our MO, we know the bottom of the river real well. Good luck. CB chris <agiedc@itouch.net> - Sunday, April 20, 2003 at 23:19:43 (CDT) I have been training with an Al Camp Ultralight but I am going to get a Zav Powersurge for race time. The blade is available in several widths and I was wondering how to choose the right width. One other question, what should I use to refinish and seal my beat up wodden paddle? Jeremy <bdanson@austin.rr.com> - Sunday, April 20, 2003 at 22:28:17 (CDT) Chris and Richard: Thanks for the info. The smell really is wonderful! As for the log jams - we just swim under them and drag the boat with us... David Roberts <webmaster@rivermadness.net> - Sunday, April 20, 2003 at 20:49:52 (CDT) I'm looking for someone who would like to race the prelim with me, I have an aluminum, or your boat. I usually race with my sister, however, she will be attending a wedding on this day. I would like to finish well, so I need someone who is capable of paddling at least as hard as my sister. Andrew Nelson <andrew.n@juno.com> - Sunday, April 20, 2003 at 18:08:09 (CDT) Concur with Richard. Don't forget the wonderful maggots. You know, it is when you are trying to get thorugh that log jam, then fall in over your head and come up with pieces cow or hog and the maggots / spiders / fire ants / filth and rot. Mmmm, nothing like the Safari. Well, only 7 wweeks left, river level dropping, looks like a great year for log jams down there. At least can bring less food as maggots supplement with protein. Oh, cows die when stuck in mud. Sad, but part of the river and farming. Chris "Huff & Puff" <agiedc@itouch.net> - Sunday, April 20, 2003 at 18:04:08 (CDT) MR. ROBERTS, THAT SECTION OF THE RIVER NOTORIOUS FOR DEAD CATTLE. MOST OF THE CATTLE ARE DEAD FROM DROWNING. THEY SMELL REAL GOOD AFTER AWHILE. MAKES U JUST WANT TO TAKE AN EAT BREAK RIGHT NOW. THEY ALSO GET HUNG UP IN THE LOG JAMS, MAKING U MOVE A LITTLE FASTER GETTING THEM. THEY ALSO ATTRACT A LOT OF FIRD ANTS ON THE JAMS. DAMN, I'M SURE GONNA MISS ALL THAT FUN AND WOUNDERFUL SMELL THIS YR. RICHARD MILLER <RICHETEL@YAHOO.COM> - Sunday, April 20, 2003 at 13:52:13 (CDT) Has anyone noticed the dead cattle in between Palmetto and Gonzales? We did that run yesterday and saw at least 4 dead cattle (our noses detected 1 or 2 more that we never saw) on about a 5 or 10 mile stretch. I'm wondering if they are being shot or are dying from some illness. David Roberts <webmaster@rivermadness.net> - Sunday, April 20, 2003 at 13:41:13 (CDT) Holly: As a physical therapist, I run into alot of patients that have this problem. Yes, rest is important, but if you're determined to do the TWS, you'll need to do several things. The long-term paddling of the TWS creates what we call "a habitual movement pattern" on a huge scale. The repetitive, long-term motions will cause added stress to your already-injured wrist. Things to help: Stretch it, strengthen it, support it (I'm sure you've seen those wrist supports for carpal tunnel problems) or even a bowling glove or good tape job. Training runs will give you an idea of what you can tolerate. Try a run with and without support, and feel the difference. Massage after ice after workout works wonders. Keep taking in fluids, muscles are 70 percent water. Also, get one of the vets to check your paddling stroke, that can alleviate alot of stress on your wrist and deflect it elsewhere. In the TWS, as the hours wear on, we all (well, almost all of us) begin to feel what part of our body is the weak link. Duck tape is just not for inanimate objects. Good luck. Chris Hutchings <AquaPhoenix43@aol.com> - Saturday, April 19, 2003 at 20:43:04 (CDT) I am looking for a light weight aluminum or a kevlar or other light, synthetic model that can hold 2 adults and 2 kids. The key thing is that it be a light weight model because my wife has toothpick arms and a mental block against lifting heavy stuff (unless it's a baby), and I don't want to wrestle a large, 90 pound, bulky canoe to the top of my car by myself. Greg Smith TWS 1990 Greg Smith <Greg.Smith@GoTechNow.com> - Friday, April 18, 2003 at 21:52:13 (CDT) Is this a dumb question, or is there such thing as a womens Aluminum, unlimited , novice etc etc.... class to race in? Or is it only womens solo and womens what ever you want? Also, do any of you have a good suggestion , from experice on how to paddle with tenoditis in your wrist? I found out I have it, but am still planning on doing the Safari this year. I know to let it rest for a while, but anything else? BOB - Thanks for keeping this sight "clean". Holly Nelson .357 <TxBluePlaid@juno.com> - Friday, April 18, 2003 at 20:40:00 (CDT) I'm going to be "outta here" for a while. Safari is a tough event. In addition to the paddling, endurance, maintenance, etc., there are all kinds of ways to get in trouble (I found 2, w/o even being speared by a flying gar). Hence, I have huge respect for those who finish, and awe for those who hammer straight on thru. Scores of legendary stories, like Miller breaking his leg bone at Cummings, literally crawling through portages, with very limited vision, Bonnie Jackson breaking her elbow at Martindale, Hansen's legs locking up in the bay & stepping on an unappreciative stingray, Devo with a stomach bug and puking at the start and thruout, Bugge's heroic effort last year... and all finishing. All as tough/tougher as any "recon" or CIA paramilitary I worked with. See you all on the river. john <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Friday, April 18, 2003 at 12:51:32 (CDT) Breaker, breaker: Hey Doublecheeseburgerman you got your ears on? What's your 20? Over. What's the status on your run? Gonna put the hammer down? Over. CLEAR! JJ <Pilgrim@dawson.com> - Friday, April 18, 2003 at 12:04:22 (CDT) Dear Bob: It is a shame that you have to keep warning the few. I am of the opinion that anyone that even enters this race deserves respect. The Finishers are (Too Cool). It is important that all involved remember this. “One half of the spectators of this event are under 12 years old” In the eyes of most folks that are involved in this “Crazy Race” I am “(Preaching to the Choir)” I will do the log on thing if it is necessary. I hope that it doesn’t come to that. And one last thing “Rescue boats run better on (Good Karma)” C.J. Hall <cjhall@itouch.net> - Thursday, April 17, 2003 at 21:54:31 (CDT) HEY JOHN, I ALWAYS THOUGHT I WAS THE BEST AT DNF'S. I TRY TO BE WELL ROUNDED. HEY STICK IT IN AND STROKE FASTER. RICHARD MILLER <RICHETEL@YAHOO.COM> - Thursday, April 17, 2003 at 15:00:17 (CDT) Hoooah! Paddle!! john <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Thursday, April 17, 2003 at 13:40:06 (CDT) HEY GANG I'VE HAD MY SHARE ON DNF'S. JOHN, THE OLD SAYING GOES,"BETTER TO HAVE TRIED AND FAILED THAN TO NEVER HAVE TRIED AT ALL". RICHARD MILLER <RICHETEL@YAHOO.COM> - Thursday, April 17, 2003 at 12:51:08 (CDT) HEY BOB ON MY BEHALF I THANK U FOR THE BILLBOARD. EVERYONE WHO RUNS THE TWS CAN LEARN FROM THE EXPERIENCE'S OF OTHERS (EVEN US HARDHEADED VETS). ANYONE INTERESTED IN THE TEXAS WATER SAFARI CAN BENEFIT FROM THE MANY ARTICLES POSTED HERE.IF I CAN BE OF ANY HELP TO ANYONE{EVEN U JOHN)DROP ME A LINE. I'M NOT EVEN RUNNING THE RACE THIS YR, AND MY ADRENALINE{I'M SURE THATS NOT SPELLED CORRECTLY)IS FLOWING AS JUNE APPROACHS. DAMN I'M GOING TO MISS NOT RUNNING IT THIS YR.. HEY JOHN, SORRY ABOUT MISREADING THE LEGEND LINE OF YOUR PREVIOUS POSTING. I GUESS I STARTED THE MESS THAT FOLLOWED. I TRULY WISH U ALL THE LUCK AND SKILL THAT YOU CAN MUSTER UP TO FINISH THIS YR. I'M ONLY A YOUTH OF 55 AND FIND THE GOING TO BE TOUGH AT TIMES. I CAN'T IMAGINE DOING IT SOLO AT 65. MAYBE I'M JEALOUS OF NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE WELL ENOUGH TO TRY IT SOLO MYSELF. MABY U AND I SHOULD START OVER, THIS TIME AS FRIENDS. OH WELL, ENOUGH OF THE FLOWER CRAP. GOOOOD LUCK TO ALL WHEN THE GOING GETS TOUGH,LOWER YOUR HEAD AND KEEP GRIPP'IN AND RIPP'IN. RICHARD MILLER <RICHETEL@YAHOO.COM> - Thursday, April 17, 2003 at 11:37:28 (CDT) Semantics: BTW, if Richard had accused me of being a lousy SAFARI paddler, I would have had to agree with him. I have 5 years of immersion training, racing, but 4 dnf's. Note, this is not a record. Phil Bowden has a lot more dnf's, but also a lot of good/great finishes. My pal Randy has 5 dnf's. John Mark, what are the stats for dnf's? Am I in the top 10? John <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Thursday, April 17, 2003 at 11:11:32 (CDT) For any first timers to the Safari. My advise is to go to the archives from last year to seek advice. Last year was my first race and I got a lot a really good information by simply checking the billboard every morning. I'm not sure what has happened this year. scott johnson / 1 for 1 / Asleep at the Keel scott johnson <johnson_scott@ci.san-marcos.tx.us> - Thursday, April 17, 2003 at 10:59:43 (CDT) Richard, you DEFINITELY ARE one of the legends, one of the Safari Paddling Gods. I have been told that you still have the most powerful, efficient stroke in our community. PLEASE KNOW THAT I NEVER GOT UPSET WITH YOUR POSTING. I KNOW YOU HAVE A GENEROUS NATURE -- YOU HAVE FORGIVEN ME REPEATEDLY FOR MY REBARBATIVE WAYS (CHECK AN OLD WEBSTER'S UNABRIDGED DICTIONARY). I WAS GOING TO OFFER A SOLUTION, IF YOU FELT LIKE A WORKOUT SAT. THE INFORMAL RULES OF SOLO/ALUM PERMIT BALAST TO TRIM THE BOAT. HENCE, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN FINE FOR YOU TO TAKE A PASSENGER IN THE BOW, AS LONG AS THEY DIDN'T PADDLE OR HELP WITH PORTAGES, and they could be skinny and slight. YOU ARE A GREAT MAN. ONE OF MY HEROES, PADDLING AND OTHERWISE. john <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Thursday, April 17, 2003 at 10:17:55 (CDT) Last WarningOk folks. I'm really tired of the personal attacks and inappropriate postings. If you want to pursue these, take it offline ! Bob Brooks <kayaker@tamu.edu> - Thursday, April 17, 2003 at 09:42:53 (CDT) Is there anyone out there with an interest, and schedule flexible enough, to make a lower river/bay run on Tuesday the 22nd (next week)? Probably from Hwy 59 in Victoria or from Dupont to Sea Drift. Dave Bartell <dbart@lcc.net> - Wednesday, April 16, 2003 at 19:40:28 (CDT) Jon- I navigated through Stockton's website and got to the picture of Corbin & Stockton in the AuSable. I think this is the picture you were trying to link to...  Serge Corbin in the bow, Brett Stockton in the stern - Au Sable River Marathon Champions CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netx> - Wednesday, April 16, 2003 at 12:29:41 (CDT) http://www.stocktoncanoe.com/photos.htm Serge Corbin Jon Schoepflin <jon.schoepflin@nextel.com> - Wednesday, April 16, 2003 at 11:28:35 (CDT) Good grief! 4th?! I can't even think as fast as these guys paddle... Uh, were there any long boats in Safari back in 1876? John <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, April 15, 2003 at 23:00:07 (CDT) RICHARD, I'LL WRITE BIG SO YOU CAN SEE IT. IT'S OFFICIAL. JOE MYNAR, BUCKY CHATHAM AND I ARE GONNA TAKE YOU GUYS DOWN. IT'S GONNA BE THE DIRTY OLD MEN VS THE GRUMPY OLD MEN. LOSERS HAVE TO BUY THE OTHER TEAM THEIR PREPARATION H. SO GET YOUR TEAM BACK TOGETHER AND LET'S HAVE THE MATCH OF THE CENTURY. Tom Goynes <goynes@centurytel.net> - Tuesday, April 15, 2003 at 22:01:32 (CDT) HEY EVERYONE I KNOW MY SPELLING REALLY SUCKS, AND I A POL IDGE IZE. RICHARD MILLER <RICHETEL@YAHOO.COM> - Tuesday, April 15, 2003 at 19:31:22 (CDT) PEOPLE,PEOPLE,PEOPLE, THE YR. OF THE FLOOD WAS 1997. YHE YR. OF THE FLASH FLOOD,DURING THE RACE, WAS 2000. IT WASN'T NEARLLY AS HIGH AS 1997. BUT THE EVER QUICKLY CHANGING RIVER POSED MANY PROBLEMS FOR THE RACERS. EVEN THOSE WITH EXPERIENCE. RICHARD MILLER <RICHETEL@YAHOO.COM> - Tuesday, April 15, 2003 at 19:21:04 (CDT) HEY DUDE BE CAREFUL WITH THE SPEED. AS I RECALL THE CANADIANS RACED AGAINST TOM AND PAT IN THE EARLY 70'S. THEY RAN VERY WELL FOR AWHILE (I HEARD THE STORIES THAT THEY HAD A DRUGSTORE ON BOARD. TOM AND PAT BEAT THEM BOTH TIMES. ON THIS RACE REQUIRES BEING IN GOOD PHYSICAL SHAPE. I DO USE SOME DRUGS TO HELP ME THROUGH THE RACE. I HAVE A FIRST NIGHT PROBLEM OF PUKING. I HAVE FOUND A PRESCRIPTION DRUG THAT HELPS. BUT, IT HAS ITS SIDE AFFECTS. U WANT TO SLEEP. THAT AIN'T GOOD ON THE SAFARI. IF U WERE TO USE SPEED TO SOON, U WOULD HAVE A REALLY BAD LET DOWN. U DON'T NEED IT. GET IN SHAPE IS THE BEST ADVICE I CAN GIVE U. I GUARANTEE . HEY DUDE RUN THE RACE AND ENJOY IT FOR WHAT IT IS, A CHALLENGE. I WISH I COULD TELL U ABOUT THE MID60'S, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER THEM. HINT HINT . FOOD FOR THOUGHT. GOOD LUCK ON URE RACE. RICHARD MILLER <RICHETEL@YAHOO.COM> - Tuesday, April 15, 2003 at 18:57:03 (CDT) We ran Palmetto to Gonzales this past weekend. The river has dropped at least a foot in about a month since we were last at Palmetto - we could actually see the bridge! We encountered three log jams between Palmetto and Gonzales. The portages aren't too bad. Does anyone go out there to dislodge those things or do we wait for Mother Nature to take her course? There were also five dead cows, a dead nutria, and a dead snake. As the bowman says, "Each part of the river has its own stink." Boy howdy did it stink this weekend! I've been watching TWS videos for the past few days and noticed that the water is actually higher now than it was in 2000, the year of the flood. For you experts, is that an accurate observation? Does anyone have suggestions for electrolyte pill dosages? Gatorade is not agreeing with either of us even on the training runs so we don't have any choice if we want to be safe. One other question: What are the rules involving stopping during the race? Consider this scenario: you stop in Victoria with plenty of time left to complete the race, but you are dead tired. With only finishing as a goal, you decide to go to a hotel for a shower. Is it legal to go take your shower and then get back into the river where you stopped? Rob 0 finishes, 0 attempts (2003 will be first attempt) Robert Dail <flawseeker@hotmail.com> - Tuesday, April 15, 2003 at 18:26:40 (CDT) HEY TOM I PRETTY MUCH KNEW THERE HAD TO BE SOME BETTER OVERALL FINISHES BY ALUM. I KINDA LOST TRACK OF THE TWS FROM 1981 UNTIL 1997. ARE U RUNNING THIS YR.? WE GO BACK A WAYS AND HAD SOME GOOD RACES. U BEAT ME ON MOST OF THEM. HEY DOUG AND I HAD A GOOD RACE IN 1976 EVEN AFTER BEING SO LOST IN THE BAY FOR ABOUT 5 HRS. WE STILL FINISHED IN 46HRS AND SOME CHANGE. I REMEMBER U WERE ONE OF THE FIRST TO CONGRADULATE US AT THE FINISH. IN MY EYES U HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ONE OF THE BEST PADDLERS I'VE EVER KNOWN. U HAVE DONE MORE CONSERVATION WORK ON THE SAN MARCOS THAN ANYONE I KNOW. U HAVE ALSO DONE A LOT OF GREAT THINGS TO FURTHER CONOEING,BOTH COMPETIVE AND RECREATIONAL. I HOPE U AND PAULA ARE DOING FINE. HOPE TO SEE U SOON./ RICHARD MILLER <RICHETEL@YAHOO.COM> - Tuesday, April 15, 2003 at 18:23:37 (CDT) Actually the best finish for an alluminum canoe was first place in 1963, but since they were using a sail it probably doesn't count. Next best would be 1987, when Rocky Harber and Robert Youens finished first aluminum and second place overall. I know because I was just barely ahead of them when I entered the bay and got lost in the solozone. 21 finishes (only the two solos count). Tom Goynes <goynes@centurytel.net> - Tuesday, April 15, 2003 at 16:48:51 (CDT) HEY JOHN IF U ARE SAYING THAT THE HIGHEST OVERALL FINISH FOR AN ALUMINUM IS 6TH PLACE, U ARE WRONG. DOUG LEWIS AND I FINISHED 4TH OVERALL AND 1FIRST ALUM,IN 1976. RICHARD MILLER <RICHETEL@YAHOO.COM> - Tuesday, April 15, 2003 at 15:14:23 (CDT) Hoooah!! (Thanks, Chris. We needed that.) Paddle! John <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, April 15, 2003 at 08:38:14 (CDT) Lord, with my shakies, I can't type. The 8th place was 2000, if my source is authoritative. goodpaddle <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Monday, April 14, 2003 at 22:18:23 (CDT) Here Here. God Bless America and God Bless Texas. Everyone training? Getting excited? 7 1/2 weeks. Time to "kick it up a notch" Hooah Chris Baker "Huff & Puff" <agiedc@itouch.net> - Monday, April 14, 2003 at 22:13:12 (CDT) I stand corrected in a detail. Highest alum finish is 6th place. One I misremembered was 8th place. 2002 18th place actually First Novice 2001 17th place 2000 8th place 1999 24th place 1998 10th place 1997 6th place (record) 1996 8th place John <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Monday, April 14, 2003 at 22:05:24 (CDT) God bless all you tech heads that share your knowledge. Good stuff. Maybe this will help someone that knows they're not going to win but would like to try it. Just do it. I am a total block head with no real technical paddling skills with 5/6 finishes, 4 solos (1-2nd place solo). I've done it on plastic sit on tops, and various assorted other heavy, and often broken down boats. I got 2nd solo one year only because 5, or 6, or 10 guys in front of me broke down some kind of way. First year I did it solo was in a plastic boat with a plastic paddle, 50 power bars and 40 blisters--not recommended. I've never had good lights. I'm not real handy with repairs, and more than once have paddled a busted up boat for most of the way (as much as 253 miles one year!) I have crossed the bay in as little as two hours and as much as 14. Had some amazing hallucinations some years and others, barely any. This isn't bragging, just sad facts. But I love this thing, love the struggle,love the self examination, love the outdoors, love its simplicity. Really like and respect the people. First rule -- be safe -- respect the very real fact that you can get hurt out there; everything else will come in time. So what if you only make 20 or 40 or 60 miles the first time; you might make it! Be safe; enjoy it. Just get out there and discover what happens to you, mentally, physically, and spiritually after 40, 60, 90, 120, 200, 250 and 260 miles. It's real nice at Seadrift, whether you are there before the banquet, or whether, like I did last year, you pull up in a 300 lb.water filled boat on Wednesday just a couple of hours before the absolute end. Every year is different -- and every year is great. Go for it. Rangers lead the way. Norm Thomas <nthomas90252@aol.com> - Monday, April 14, 2003 at 22:01:03 (CDT) And a little bit of advice to the Novices from a rookie. In an Open Forum like this one, you have to expect Ministers of Disinformation. Look at the signature block to assist like JM said or if they start pushing something like Gar Repellant you can stop reading. And one more thing, no matter how good or tough you are, you aren't going to challenge the Mynars any time soon. Most Safari vets are willing to talk to you, but don't expect Freddie to talk your ear off. I was fortunate enough last year to just get a handshake. They set the bar and John Dunn and Donald Baumbach were the most approachable from my viewpoint. But although you may never have a conversation with them or desire to find the finish line before they do, you can learn a lot from them in action. This may sound like a plug for someone I truly respect, but purchase some prior Safari tapes from Pat Gunn-Spencer to learn from the best in the game. Hint - you can't help but be amazed and it should make you a better Safarist. Another hint - the Mynars get a lot of coverage. Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Monday, April 14, 2003 at 14:10:43 (CDT) There are so many ways to look at the advice (and credibility) that is freely given on the BB. And it would take too much space for everyone that contributes to qualify their comments. Just like Dave is a graduate of the AFA and I spent 3 years of my life there. Tough to get in and tougher to stay or wish to stay. Also, graduated from TTU with a EE degree. Do you need an Electrical Engineering degree to wire a DC system? No. But last year just before the Safari when I was talking to Jay Daniel about my light rig, I couldn't have spelled my name, since I was so keyed up about the race. Bottom line is that I respect expert advice from anyone who does this race and wish I had heard about it before 2001. But luckily, there is a cutoff date to enter, since I would have entered the race a couple of weeks before the start and would have been totally unprepared for the task at hand. Safari vets have a wealth of knowledge and it is great when you can tap into some of it. And to end a long-winded comment, I hope everyone got to watch Houstonpbs last night. After spending a good chunk of my weekend on the river, it was great to couch potato and turn on the tube. There I got to see Tom Goynes, winner of several TWSs with an alum/plastic paddle organizing a river cleanup, talking about the Edwards Plateau aquifer, and Paula in the bow holding up Sandy, who looked less than a year old. That was too Cool : ) Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Monday, April 14, 2003 at 10:51:24 (CDT) David, you are also highly intelligent, cerebral, detail-conscious. There is also a human dynamic that, whether it be the Texas Water Safari or one of our elite military academies, the freshmen and sophmores are going to be more involved in the details than the upper classmen (who tend to be laid back... they've seen it all before). The Safari veterans of 20 finishes do not post as much detail (very little, actually). Hence, the enthusiastic novices ironically make a greater contribution to the online info. Eg: there are probably 50-100 who know more about pumps than Henry (a "sophmore"), but he has been enthusiastically sharing the benefits of his experiments with pumps, while they have not. YOU have shared invaluable new info about batteries. Back a few years, I shared useful info about DC electrical wiring & lights. All 3 of us "greenhorns," and imperfect, but still enthusiastic enough to share. AND, your info about the pipe definitely could save someone a holed boat. John <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Monday, April 14, 2003 at 09:36:54 (CDT) Ran from Spencer's to Luling 90 this morning. The river is going down and getting tighter day by day. Beware of a barely sub-surface iron pipe mid-channel just down from the Stairtown bridge - it is hard to see coming (for a guy like myself with minimal experience and credibility). Looks like it could slice a hull open easily. My qualifications in stating this are questionable at best - 0 Safari finishes, only average IQ, over 50 yrs old, medium to high cholesterol. Sorry. Dave Bartell <dbart@lcc.net> - Saturday, April 12, 2003 at 18:20:59 (CDT) Hmmm...John Mark spent a lot of time creating a wonderful database tool. Let's see , John Mark has 17 finishes, 13 of which were top ten and he also has 6 class wins. I didn't find an entry for "solo paddler" Lee Deviney 3/4 but they don't count because I had partners. Lee Deviney <txpaddler@aol.com> - Friday, April 11, 2003 at 15:30:13 (CDT) I've got it! Sergei Corgin. Weren't you the guy that got chased by Columbian drug dealers last year down below Dupont... Lost for 2 days in Alligator Lake? Last I heard, John Mark Harras was looking for you to give you an award for the most creative dnf... Hope you are not emailing from the North Austin institute where people cut out doilies with blunt scissors. GOOD LUCK in 2003! john <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Friday, April 11, 2003 at 12:51:40 (CDT) Serge Corbin? The name sounds familiar... John <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Friday, April 11, 2003 at 12:47:02 (CDT) HEY, THE ONLY HOT MEALS I'VE EVER HAD IN THE SAFARI IS WHEN I THROW UP MY COLD MEAL IN MY LAP. RECYCLED FRYUIT CUPS AND HONEY BUNS DONT TASTE AS WELL AS THE FIRST TIME. RICHARD MILLER(TIME TESTED AND STILL SLOW) <RICHETEL@YAHOO.COM> - Friday, April 11, 2003 at 10:37:20 (CDT) Oh and Richard, last year was the second time in a row that I lost in the World Snow Goose Calling Championship. It is getting very commercial. I am planning on retiring from that, but I think Hog Calling might be fun. I have a couple of Johnny Stewart tapes to practice with. Grip it and rip it, Big Guy :0) Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Friday, April 11, 2003 at 08:51:45 (CDT) Richard with all this hi-tech laser and GPS guided systems the military is using, if we can't find a way to have it help us down the river, maybe we can use it to correct your vision to lead a goose. We managed to take a few again this season : ) And speaking of food, Mike Stinson last year mentioned Heater Meals. If you haven't tried them you might consider it. They cost about six dollars a meal and are very good, if you want a hot meal on the river and stay within the rules of the TWS. Henry1/1 <hedornak@aep.com> - Friday, April 11, 2003 at 08:35:47 (CDT) HEY HENRY U RUNNING THIS CRAZY RACE AGAIN THIS YEAR? HEY I DON"T KNOW IF THE GUYS WILL HELP ME DOWN THE RIVER ONE MORE TIME. SOMETIMES IN THE HEAT OF THE BATTLE U SAY THINGS U SHOULDN'T. HEY I HOPE MIKE KNOWS I'M ONLY POKING FUN. IN SOME WAYS HE'S CORRECT. U HAVE TO PLAN FOR THE LENGTH OF RACE AND TIME U PLAN ON. OF COURSE, IF U PLAN TO CAMP, U CAN PACK KILLER FOOD TO EAT. ANYWAY, U HAVE TO RACE ONCE TO REALLY KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT. I SURE WOULD LOVE TO COME AND HUNT GEESE WITH U [ LOL ) BUT WITH MY EYES I CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A DOVE AND A GOOSE. I CAN BUY A CHICKEN CHEAPER THAN THE AMOUNT OF SHELLS IT WOULD TAKE ME TO HIT A GOOSE. GOOD LUCK TO ALL RICHARD MILLER <richetel@yahoo.com> - Thursday, April 10, 2003 at 17:30:10 (CDT) Richard at the Safari party, you thought your team would make one more go. Besides, I don't think I have ever laughed so hard. You have a lot of great stories to pass along. Are you and your team retiring??? Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Thursday, April 10, 2003 at 17:01:53 (CDT) HEY MIKE NEVER BEEN ONE TO DO THAT. AND U? HEY I GIVE UP. RUN THE RACE LIKE MIKE SAYS. BUT GOOD LUCK. RICHARD MILLER <RICHETEL@YAHOO.COM> - Thursday, April 10, 2003 at 16:53:48 (CDT) Yo big Richard...It is truly good to hear from you . Still concealing and sugar coating your feelings ... M P Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Thursday, April 10, 2003 at 16:23:32 (CDT) My personal feelings and observations on advise is get it from your "peers". As a pretty seasoned TC but an underclassman racer I find it is best to draw from those around you who are in "the same boat" . You are only setting yourself up for unachieved goals and disappointment if you hang out with "the wrong crowd" . A 60 hr racer deals with an entirely different set of problems than someone sneaking in under the century mark, and few are the top racers who can remember (accurately) the obstacles they encountered in their first year.Noteworthy exceptions would be Pete , Cathy, and Colin as they are always bringing up new blood. ( If I was a wee bit faster I could learn from Julie). For the rest of us not fortunate enough to be born British I would hang out with people just a little faster than myself and keep knocking out chunks. Litigation does not equate with a double blind clinical study. M P Simmons <MPSimmons@ktc.com> - Thursday, April 10, 2003 at 16:16:31 (CDT) ALTHOUGH TEAM GRUMPY OLD MEN WANT BE RACING THE TWS THIS YEAR, I FIGURED I WOULD THROW IN A LITTLE ADVICE ANYWAY. HEY GANG KEEP IT SIMPLE. KEEP YOUR FOOD SIMPLE. MOST PEOPLE TRY TO COMPLICATE THE FOOD THEY TAKE. I'VE FOUND THAT MOST OF THE TIME WE ALL TAKE TO MUCK FOOD. IN 1976 DOUG LEWIS AND I SET AN ALUMINUM RECORD FINISHING IN 46 HRS, OUR FOOD WAS 16 FRUIT CUPS EACH,5PKGS PEANUT BUTTER CRACKERS AND 12 DRINK MIXS EACH. TO ALL U NOVICE RACERS, I'VE FOUND THAT U DONT EAT AS MUCH AFTER THE FIRST DAY. I NORMALLY TAKE A COUPLE OF SANDWICHES, SOME FRUIT CUPS, A FEW HONEY BUNS, 12 DRINK MIXS AND SOME CHEESE CRACKERS. OH YEAH, LAST YR. I ALSO TOOK 2 CANS OF RED BULL. THEY MADE ME BURP. WE NORMALLY TAKE SOME NO DOZE PILLS TO HELP STAY AWAKE. WE DONT TAKE BUT I OR 2 PILLS EACH NIGHT. WE TAKE ANACINS OR TYLENOL FOR PAIN. ALL THE HIGH OCTANE FOOD WONT DO U ANY GOOD IF U CANT KEEP IT DOWN. MORE ADVICE,ESPECIALLY TO NOVICE'S, IS TO LEARN THE FIRST 90 MILES AND THE LAST 15. IF U CAN GET U'RE BOAT AND U'RE BODY TO THE GONZO GRAVEL BAR ,IN ONE PIECE, YOU HAVE MADE A BIG STEP TOWARD FINISHING THE RACE. YOU ALSO NEED TO BE ABLE TO CROSS THE BAY WITHOUT GETTING LOST. ONE OTHER BIT OF ADVICE IS TO RUN GOOD LIGHTS. THERE IS PLENTY OF ADVICE OUT THERE ON BATTERY AND LIGHT SELECTION. HEED THIS ADVICE. REMEMBER, KEEP IT SIMPLE, ITS NOT THAT COMPICATED TO FINISH THIS RACE. OH YES, PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE. GOOD LUCK TO JOHN STOCWELL ON THIS YRS QUEST. GOOD LUCK TO ALL THAT RUN THIS YRS TWS. OH YEAH I HAVE FINISHED ONCE OR TWICE. RICHARD MILLER <richetel@yahoo.com> - Thursday, April 10, 2003 at 12:49:37 (CDT) FUMAR CHOCHAR MOPAR No Rest for the Weary # 9- 5 Finishes - 2 4th pl alum - 3 back of the pack and lovin it. I say to all - listen to no one. Everyone is full of it and you will most likely forget what they said at the moment it counts anyhow. Do it your own way and you WILL get better with each safari. adios Jon Schoepflin <jon.schoepflin> - Thursday, April 10, 2003 at 12:33:21 (CDT) Re: MSimmons - another lawsuit filed on - Athletes sue over ephedra Stimulant blamed for health woes - from the Houston Chronicle. CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netx> - Thursday, April 10, 2003 at 10:18:34 (CDT) Hey Bob, since you do such a great job with this site, enquiring minds want to know if you and Mary are going to make a comeback this year? It was tough last Safari watching Mary's foot get crushed under the Alum below Palmetto at the logjam. Between Mary and also Mike having his rudder cable hung up, our Saturday night get together was a rowdy place : ) Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Thursday, April 10, 2003 at 09:37:38 (CDT) I've got a suggestion that will help people judge the information they're getting on this site. If you're posting advice of a "how to" nature, put your number of finishes in your signature. I think it's only fair to let people who might rely on your advice know what your Safari background is. Location of jams, river height- that's all objective stuff, so that shouldn't relate to finishes. Speed, is also something that you can learn , and probably better, outside of a Safari environment-n(ot from me, anyway). But- rigging, eating, water, TC issues, practice plans and most importantly-RIVER CONDITIONS- advice from a veteran is better than advice from a relative newcomer. Novices-if an advisor doesn't post their finishes, ask them, or check it out on the finishers history Excel spreadsheet in the records & history section. John Mark Harras (Driver, Boat #807-The Cowboys) <JohnMarkHarras@PZLQS.com> - Thursday, April 10, 2003 at 08:32:24 (CDT) We talked to Bill Caldwell of the Hochheim Campground this week. He told us that although the campground is still in probate that he felt certain that we would still be able to use the campground for the checkpoint during the race. He also gave us the name and phone number of a woman who is in the process of opening the campground on the weekends. She hopes to have it ready for weekends in the next couple of weeks. They are shredding and doing some dozer work on the ramp this weekend. Her name is Martha Davis and her phone number is 361-741-5548. She said to give her a call if you'd like to make reservations. Linda Cochran <lcochran@austin.rr.com> - Thursday, April 10, 2003 at 08:06:27 (CDT) John Goodpaddle, please tell us more about high kneel sprint racing. Also, can you also please invite the nation's top C-1 and C-2 paddlers to post to this bulletin board so that the rest of us can learn from them as well? Serge S Corbin <Serge@yahoo.com> - Thursday, April 10, 2003 at 00:11:43 (CDT) Once more a few folks of low character have resurfaced to make rude and degrading posts. These will be removed as soon as I see them. I'm beginning to feel like a broken record:
Bob Brooks <kayaker@tamu.edu> - Wednesday, April 09, 2003 at 18:24:36 (CDT) That said, no one has ever suggested doing the entire Safari at a high kneel. The high kneel is a sprint racing stroke, very fast, and requiring a high level of skill (try it when you get a chance, it's fun, you knee hurts after a few minutes). Some of the nation's top C-1 and C-2 racers use a half-kneel for leverage and to relieve pain. For Safari, I doubt if the "competitors" are going to kneel -- they growl, pee in their boats, and eat the pain along with their supplements and substances. Probably, maybe 20 of the mere mortals do kneel part of the time each year, to relieve the pain on butt and back. The Advantage I've just bought, veteran boat of several Safari's, came to me with well-worn kneeling pads. My time trials in the boat kneeling and sitting are about the same, but I mostly sit, sometimes finding great relief in kneeling for a spell. The canoe instructor certification courses I took years ago had us kneeling throughout. Some of the White Water canoes are factory-rigged for kneeling. John <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Wednesday, April 09, 2003 at 17:35:16 (CDT) Edification: Much of what is posted on this site is of less interest to top racers and seasoned paddlers with depths of experience and technique. They often know each other and train together (in small cells) anyway. For novices and people new to the Safari community, it is invaluable and a pleasant forum in which to share. John Stockwell <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Wednesday, April 09, 2003 at 17:22:07 (CDT) So... how bout that Xenadrine folks... M P Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Wednesday, April 09, 2003 at 16:19:40 (CDT) Attention all Experienced Texas Water Safari paddlers - Team Determination here - I, Thomas have been informed I am being activated as of April 3, in theatre by April 12 and will be assigned to The Fourth Marine Light Armor Recon. Group. The Problem- I have already registered for The Texas Safari, Texas Marathon, and the Dupont races with my daughter Kathryn, 12 y/o. I will not be able to race. However we have all the equipment and support crew arranged. We have a three-person kayak that we have raced as a two person, however it can be raced as a three person. I was wondering is there a couple/ two-person crew that would be willing to race with her while I am gone? Two things though, first you have to have done the TWS before. Second, either myself or the Team Captain (my Dad) would have to meet you before agreeing. We are located 20 miles south of downtown Dallas. My wife can be contacted the.mendenhalls@prodigy.net Kathryn, as done numerous races from as little at 12 miles up to the TWS. Last year we got to the 205 miles mark when Kathryn took me out of the race because I was feverous. She is a tough 12 y/o girl but a 12 y/o girl so think before you respond. We usually finish first or second in the parent/child category ever time we race. Thomas L. Memdenhall <the.mendenhalls@prodigy.net> - Wednesday, April 09, 2003 at 12:08:05 (CDT) Mike: We are unable to run this year because of prior obligations that I have. I am a Scoutmaster of a Boy Scout troop so our plans go into effect a year or more in advance. I do plan on being there for the start and hitting the checkpoints through Sunday afternoon though. Unfortunately, sometimes next year just has to be next year... Gary Gibson <ggibson@texas.net> - Wednesday, April 09, 2003 at 08:49:23 (CDT) John Goodpaddle, you are full of good advice. I have gotten lots of it from you. You are definitley a good paddler. Keep it coming! Don't listen to the local igmo who does'nt even sign his name to his postings. tom pope <tom_r_p@lycos.com> - Tuesday, April 08, 2003 at 23:47:10 (CDT) Gary: Do the Race this year... There's still time to get on the river, and learn the first 60 and the last 15 miles. Outside of that you can wing the flat stuff. There are lots of old Safari regged boats for sell. All you have to do is ask about them but if you want to run Novice, TIN is the only way to go... Ask about used paddles too... A novice paddler can save a ton of money buying gear that has proven it can make it to Flag Pole. PS - The main reason to do the Safari this year is next year is just that NEXT YEAR... If not the safari do the littler races, too early in the season to talk about next year. Good Luck... Mike - Tuesday, April 08, 2003 at 17:40:24 (CDT) BTW, Gary. I/we all agree w Lee. If you've got a year's headstart, yr best boat is still undoubtedly the aluminum bathtub. Great boat, great value. We watched one, in the hands of a couple of monsters (uh.. masters) come in 5th overall 2-3 years ago. ((paddling is all screwed up. I heard one of the wimmin comment, about one of those 2 paddlin' monsters, that he was the only person she had ever seen who could make a pair of tights look baggy)) John <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, April 08, 2003 at 17:01:19 (CDT) Did training run this weekend from Martindale to Fentress. River was running good. Only one major COW jam about 4 miles below Staples. Beware of them Cows they do not like to share the river. M Clark <clark0612@juno.com> - Tuesday, April 08, 2003 at 14:14:14 (CDT) Thanks to everyone that has responded to my question on novice canoes, equipment, etc. We are going to be running the Safari in '04. This will give us time to train and to get familiar with the river. I will no doubt be returning back to this billboard frequently for more advice and tips. See ya on the river... Gary Gibson <ggibson@texas.net> - Monday, April 07, 2003 at 23:25:56 (CDT) I didn't answer your question John. Every winning boat from 1992-2002 had a battery pack I built in it. For that matter I have either built, tooled (made the mold),or worked on every winning boat from 1992-2002. A pretty fair record if I toot my own horn. After all if you can't beat em build their boat! Jay Daniel <jhdaniel@sbcglobal.net> - Monday, April 07, 2003 at 23:06:36 (CDT) Thanks for the sentiment John although, there is nothing to hang in there for. I'm glad that there is a commercial battery supplier who finally understands what it is we need. Bob Fay is a good guy and since he is in the battery business he can actually make some money building these packs...I certainly never did. My apologies to Dave Bartell for the unintended slight. The "unprofessional" comment was meant to be self-deprecating humor. The offer does stand to help out anyone who wants to build their own pack. Jay Daniel <jhdaniel@sbcglobal.net> - Monday, April 07, 2003 at 23:00:24 (CDT) Jay, sorry to hear you are not putting together batt. packs for this year. How many?--Lots of Safari wins with yr professional batt. packs in years past... often in Rainmaker boats. Hang in there. John <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Monday, April 07, 2003 at 22:42:24 (CDT) Since there is now a commercial supplier of lithium battery packs I will not be supplying battery packs this year. For those of you who wish to make your own packs the Electrochem Part number for the battery packs mentioned below by Dave is CSC93 3B36. At this time the SAFT (formerly Eternacell) are not available. SAFT is a French Company and the cells are normally used in military applications. There are alternate suppliers of the Electrochem batteries so do your homework before purchasing. Anyone who wishes to assemble their own pack can contact me and I will help them put together an "unprofessional" pack. 281 787 2271 Jay Daniel <jhdaniel@sbcglobal.net> - Monday, April 07, 2003 at 08:55:38 (CDT) Gary, TG in Martindale, outside San Marcos, is primary supplier of aluminums in CenTex. Spencer Canoes in Martindale can do anything to prep a boat for Safari, often have boats, ideas. Jay Daniel, RainMaker Canoes, in Houston, likewise. All high competence, skill, and integrity. Other good tandems are the Wenonah Jensen 18's and 17's. Lots of honorable finishes in Tupperware boats. There are numerous lighter, faster, tippier tandems available, that require more skill. BUT, you are short of time for 2003. 2 months. To get and rig a boat, learn the river. It can be done in that time. Hope you make it. IF you can't get a boat together in time, highly recommend following the race this year, taking notes all the way down. OR volunteer as a TC, where you will learn hugely. Get a running start for next year. Luck. John <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Sunday, April 06, 2003 at 13:23:02 (CDT) One person's opinion: The best boat for a two person team attempting their first Safari is a 17' aluminum canoe. The preferred model is the Alumacraft Voyager which, at 55 lbs. is the lightest aluminum canoe made. Have comfortable tractor style seats installed and purchase some inexpensive but light qand good quality Al Camp padddles and you'll have around $1000 invested with an excellent opportunity to finish the race. Lee Deviney <txpaddler@aol.com> - Friday, April 04, 2003 at 17:03:47 (CST) LITHIUM BATTERY PACKS  Lithium Battery packs can be purchased from EXCELL Batteries. Contact Bob Fay at bfay500@swbell.net or 281-599-9827 or 713-213-3554. Amp/hour capacities up to 30 hours are available in 12 volt or 6 volt. These are professionally assembled packs that can withstand the rigors of the Water Safari. The cells are connected and encased in a fiberglass tube that is sealed on both ends. The protruding wires include a waterproof fuse holder and super quick action fuse (essential to prevent internal tripping of a cell if a problem develops). The picture shows the assembled pack. It is just over 22 inches long and weighs 2.5 lbs. Hello all, I am looking at running the TWS with my brother-in-law next summer in the novice class (for starters). What recommendations do you have for brands of canoes (good and bad), items to look for in the construction of the canoe, and reputable outfitters. Thanks, Gary Gibson <ggibson@texas.net> - Thursday, April 03, 2003 at 16:28:40 (CST) Mark, Fletcher Sez the best advice "they" do NOT tell novices is NOT TO THINK. Esp. long stretches where you have not seen a boat for hours, do NOT wonder if it's all a big snipe hunt/puton and you're holding the bag. When you hurry thru a checkpoint half awake, after hallucinating all night, do NOT begin to wonder if all those smiles might have been smirks. When you get to Seadrift will everyone be drinking beer, fresh as daisies, laughing their arses arf? Above all else, do NOT wonder if yr TC is in on the joke. Omar <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Monday, March 31, 2003 at 16:40:18 (CST) Ran Luling 90 to Palmetto on Friday. Water levels are still high so the trip was pretty uneventful. Straight over Little Ottine, simple portage at Ottine and over the l.w.c. at the park. 180ed back to the eddie river right to take out. The wild flowers in the area are awesome. scott johnson <johnson_scott@ci.san-marcos.tx.us> - Monday, March 31, 2003 at 08:40:23 (CST) P.S. KAthryn as done numerous races from as little at 12 miles up to the TWS. Last year we got to the 205 miles mark when Kathryn took me out of the race because I was feverious. She is a tough 12 y/o girl but a 12 y/o girl so think before you respond. We usally finish first or second in the parent/child catagory evertime we race. Thomas L. Mendenhall <the.mendenhalls@prodigy.net> - Sunday, March 30, 2003 at 21:52:00 (CST) Attention all Experienced Texas Water Safari paddlers - Team Determination here - I, Thomas have been informed I am being activated as of April 12 and will be assigned to The First Marine Amphious Group. The Problem- I have already registered for The Texas Safari, Texas Marathon, and the Dupount races with my daughter Kathryn, 12 y/o. I will not be able to race. However we have all the equipment and support crew arranged. We have a three person kayak that we have raced as a two person, however it can be raced as a three person. I was wondering is there a couple/ two person crew that would be willing to race with her while I am gone? Two things though, first you have to have done the TWS before. Second, either myself of the Team Captain (my Dad) would have to meet you before agreeing. We are located 20 miles south of downtown Dallas. I can be contacted the.mendenhalls@prodigy.net Thomas L. Mendenhall <the.mendenhalls@prodigy.net> - Sunday, March 30, 2003 at 21:45:53 (CST) Re: Mark can't help you with where the jammers are in the SanMarcos- haven't run it this year- usually don't anymore- I just put up with whatever I hit when I get to it in the Safari. Others may tell you? There is a good log jam above the dam at Luling some years- there can be jams between Luling and Palmetto. There is almost always two big jams below Slayden- some years- many. Most years the big boat teams will run the river a week or two before the race with a chain saw and clean out anything that might be a problem for the big boats. One thing that helps working with kevlar more than anything else is a pair of ceramic bladed scissors - it's almost impossible to cut it with plain scissors. Most kevlar boats are built with vinyl-estar resin. Be sure to find out which resin your boat was built with and use the same resin. If you can, do your repair from the inside so you can keep the out side smooth - it helps if you've had experience working with composites CaptJack - Sunday, March 30, 2003 at 20:25:42 (CST) OK, whats the report on jammer on the San Marcos? Also whats the best way to repair kevlar? Mark - Sunday, March 30, 2003 at 19:46:09 (CST) Re: Mark Ask a serious question- you'll get a serious answer- (maybe). When we're bored we talk-bout' gars, gators & marshmellowmen :) CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netX> - Sunday, March 30, 2003 at 15:40:17 (CST) 50 foot 8 man boat for sale cheap. (512) 787-0535 Phil Bowden <cen39391@yahoo.com> - Sunday, March 30, 2003 at 15:36:53 (CST) Does anyone have any good info to share? Not that Hog callen and gar spray are bad but just doesn't get me any where... Mark - Sunday, March 30, 2003 at 14:16:54 (CST) To all those who didn't paddle this weekend: You missed some GREAT water!!!! See you on the river! If the TWS 2003 river conditions were as deep as it is here in the billboard lately, we should have record times being set. Chris <AquaPhoenix43@aol.com> - Saturday, March 29, 2003 at 16:22:14 (CST) Since we are all relating absolutely factual stories... this is no BS ... My first wife had a real skill. She could "ugly" animals to death just by staring at them. We used to call up javalina out in West Texas and she could stack 'em like cordwood if she could get a good stare them. I have seen her float a six foot gar belly up staring it through six feet of murky water. I couldn't use her on fur bearing varmits though...she would tear the pelts up too bad. If I can find her one of you fraidy cat girlie men can use her for a figurehead on your boat. Or I may have her parachuted into Iraq. M P Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Saturday, March 29, 2003 at 09:51:03 (CST) Re: South Texas Hog Hunters The newest hot tactic in canoe & kayak racing is to bring our Johnny Stewart Electronic Game Callers and play all of the the hog calling tapes as we paddle down the river. With tapes like "feeding frenzy" "piglets sqeelin" "boars gruntin" and many of us with callers, we should have all the hogs in a three or four county area standin on the backs of the river just waitin fer ya. You did say barbque didn't ya...Is that what they're servin at the awards banquet? HogCaller <JStewarttech.com> - Friday, March 28, 2003 at 23:15:14 (CST) Dear Louise: I would like to inform you about a segment of the population that takes it very personally when you start giving away long kept secrets of our Forefathers. I am speaking of the South Texas Hog Hunters! We are a large group of South Texas Citizens whose weekly Back Yard Barbecues depend on those Friday night Hunts. You start sending these City Folks down here with "Crustacean Modulated Canoes" and you will be causing the demise of all the Beer industries overhead revenue. It is unthinkable to imagine the consiquenceses of a "Quail Setting" These technology advancements not only wreak havoc on the wildlife (as we have trained it) but also reach deeply into the infrastructure of Costal region humans as well. I respect a person that understands the ways of the South, but think about this. “Would your Father / Uncle or whoever taught you this be happy about you freely giving it to (City Folks)”? Think long and hard about your next post. Lifestyles are at risk….!!! South Texas Hog Hunters <cjhall@itouch.net> - Friday, March 28, 2003 at 21:06:08 (CST) Be careful if you happen to turn ye boat over in the river as the gar comes to the nearest man, that man, he starts poundin' and hollerin' and screamin', sometime's the gar go away, sometimes he wouldn't go away. Sometime's that gar he looks right into ya, right into your eyes. And another thing about the gar. He's got lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eyes. When he comes at ya, he doesn't seem to be livin'. Until he bites you. Capt Quinn <Garbait@aol.com> - Friday, March 28, 2003 at 13:08:43 (CST) I must agree with the esteemed Dr Jane Doeth..... I was struck by one of these Garfish during the 2000safari..... I have been strickin with a syndrome of being pretty much COUCHRIDDEN since then.... symptoms of acute listlessness, lathargicity, flatulence and fattness have been the haunting me since that race. I am also scared of the dark, dogs, cats and hard work.......is this the Lyme thing?? on the brite side, I have learned how to operate the TV remote control by "feel" without looking at the channel #`s rapidly and with great efficiency........it is true that safari can "change your life" diesel <dm@grsource.com> - Friday, March 28, 2003 at 11:07:40 (CST) Ey laddie,...novice goes in da water?...GAR in da water,....our GAR in da water..."farwell anadu ye fair spanish maidens,..farewell anadu ye ladies of Spain...!!" Quinn <irishfish@swimminw/bowleggedwmen.net> - Friday, March 28, 2003 at 08:35:06 (CST) Paddle faster than the fish. Will check gar stomach content after Safari. If you finish, then you have nothing to worry about, since fear is not a factor for you : ) CQ < - Friday, March 28, 2003 at 08:31:54 (CST) Capt. Quinn - are you out there to add anything to the Gar debate? You are regarded as at least a Regional expert on the big fish and my understanding is you are working with TPW and local law enforcement to track down and catch some of the larger and potentially man-eating aligator garfish. How is the Gar bounty program coming along?, and in your opinion is it really safe to go into the water in and around some of these coastal areas? What is some advice you can give a novice safari entrant related to these creatures? Louis <Loowie@yahoo.com> - Thursday, March 27, 2003 at 17:49:03 (CST) Where are the gators? That'd take care of the Gar problem. where are the gators? <wtg@wtg.com> - Thursday, March 27, 2003 at 16:43:08 (CST) Here in Duechland ve use ze Sturgeon repellent ya......much ze same as ze Gar repellent zat you stinking americanskis use ya? Zis vorks vondaba!!!!....dumbkoffs!! Hienrich <hieni@visigoths.com> - Thursday, March 27, 2003 at 13:52:58 (CST) On the Topic of - Gar Repellent - from Safaris past.... In a recent follow up to the article Could Ticks Transmit the West Nile-like Virus? on the ADLF (American Lyme Disease Foundation) web site, http://www.aldf.com/, Dr. Joseph Piesman discussed how a species of fish can now be a carrier of Lyme disease. Dr Peisman shows that Gar that eat ticks carrying the Lyme disease could end up becoming secondary carriers. He goes on the state that the chain is similar to how ticks become secondary carriers when they feed on dead birds that have been infected by mosquitoes carrying the West Nile Virus. Dr Piesman goes on to say that the best treatment is prevention. ?The cost of Gar repellent far out ways the signs and symptoms that follow.? His statements harshly condemned the attempts of the Yale University to down play the infection rates in the US caused by Gar. Signs and Symptoms include: Early Stage: joint pains, chills, fever, and fatigue Interim Stage: severe fatigue, a stiff, aching neck, and peripheral nervous system (PNS) involvement such as tingling or numbness in the extremities or facial palsy (paralysis) can occur. Later Stage: severe headaches, painful arthritis and swelling of joints, cardiac abnormalities, and central nervous system (CNS) involvement leading to cognitive (mental) disorders. After reading this article and several more like it, I became concerned when I found out that my husband was planning to race in the Texas Water Safari again. I did some research to find out what brand of Gar repellent has the best efficacy. Most brands all had the same active ingredient in different level of concentration. REI has the highest the concentrated, 99%, but the bottle had several health warnings on it. Freedom has a lower level of concentration and is also the worse value. Techno has the best dollar for dollar value. EnviraDerm has an ?environmentally friendly? active ingredient that does not have any health warnings associated with it. I do not know how well it works. I hope this information helps out the other wives and TCs. If anyone has any other information please email me and pass on your information. - Dr Jane Doeth I take exception to Dr. Doeth's assertion that our line of repellant products, particularly the Gar version, are a low value because of a reduced concentration of the active ingredient. Anyone who has studied the literature understands that concentrations above 14.5% offer no increased efficacy, they present only increased incidences of local irritation and higher cost to the consumer. So, by all means, if you want to pay more money to get a skin rash, be my guest. Dr. Doeth has a twisted sense of 'value' I think. I might also note that our product comes in an aloe base that helps condition the skin as well, unlike competing products. So take your pick. And, please, Dr. Doeth, do you homework before you slander a product in a public forum. Who ever heard of Gar Repellent? The best defense against a GAR fish is just a smack with the paddle. This method is also effective when dealing with water turkeys. Often during the safari you can also use the same method (a paddle smack) to determine if the herbavores encountered along the journey belong to a rich or poor man. If the herbavore cowers at the sound of a paddle smack against the water, it is a rich man's cow. If the cow shows little or no sign of disturbance it is likely that this animal aint going nowhere and most likely belongs to a poor man. - gar repellent? turkey repellent. what's available for these goats down near tivoli? The issue of Lyme disease passed on by Gar is no laughing matter. Despite the issues raised in the March 2000 article in Yale University's newsletter, more people were infected with Lyme disease by Gar than ticks in both 1999 and 2000. It is estimated than over 90% of Gar are now carriers of Lyme disease. I have completed the TWS twice and know how aggressive Gar can be. They actively strike at lights. A small investment in repellent is worth not having a 20 wk antibiotic plan that is almost worse that the disease. Gar repellent? Against a gar bite? scratch from fins or scales? eating gar balls? Has anyone in the history of the Safari ever been bitten by a gar? I know of broken ribs... I guess the new fear is GarAIDS... I think I'll worry about the fire ants... None of that Gar repellant is going to work on what I seen.......down below Victoria.....It was ...It was...GARZILLA.....AIEEEEEEEE! I went to REI to get some gar repellent. The only type they had was REI brand. Where else can I get some? I used the Freedom stuff and it sucked. It washes off in about an hour. What is the point of having something in the water if it washes off? Freedom is a waste of 3 dollars. I am sorry that you had a negative experience with our GAR REPELL product. Although coincidental, our product line seems to be receiving some negative press at the Texas Water Safari. Freedom Products has been making quality repellent and outdoor skin care products for over thirty years. We tailor our products for outdoorsmen such as you. Our products are designed and tested to be effective but also long lasting and comfortable. Freedom products would like to send you a case of our varied repellent and skin care products so you can once again enjoy the high quality of our line. Please email directly with your address and we will promptly overnight deliver your case of Freedom products. To you and all of your fellow racers, enjoy the race and Freedom. Dr. Jane Doeth, We have had representatives of our organization involved in numerous extended exposure, ultra marathon events. Specifically the Yukon River Quest and the Texas Water Safari. I can tell you first hand that the signs and symptoms you've described are very real!!! These types of ailments pose a significant threat to paddlers that chose to ignore such precautionary measures as Gar repellant. However, I would like to offer a word of warning... Mixing the standard Gar repellant with some brands of UV block have been found to have potentiation. Potentiation is the enhancement of one drug by another. Plainly stated, the side effects of the "standard" Gar juice could be untoward. That is why we developed our environmentally friendly product. All ingredients are natural and we maintain a 100% satisfaction rate. Sincerely, John Eod CEO EnviroDerm This is not the place for your bickering just advice and opinions not a slam fest it's to close to the race to focus on anything but info and fun!! If any body want's to send any product to test, send me the info off line and our Adventure Racing Teams will test it and give you a the real scoop on these products. Whether it works or not, I'm one to always hedge my bets and give something a try a time or three. I'll hunt some of that Gar repellent down at check in and give it a shot. While we're on the subject, has anyone got any info about sting ray repellent or Gator-be-gone? How about a Monster boat antibiotic? I believe our Team Captain can take yours 3 out of 5 in a Gar eating contest. BTW watch for NAUGHERS hiding just under the surface, waiting to getcha. I've found, a good coat of INDUSTRAIL STRENGTH NAUGHER WAX will help you slid right over them bad boys. It just so happens that I have an extra can that I could let go real cheap. If you don't like the Freedom mix try the Dr. Bronner all natural peppermint gar-reep-ell. Won't irritate the skin like the other gar repellants and works like a charm. I had an instance just last week below swing bridge when nature called...was dangling my participle over the gunnel when I noticed a particularly large gar preparing to strike. As his ugly protuberance broke the surface of the water, he caught a whiff of that gawd awful peppermint and swam off with a whimper. "I'm not talkin' bout yer college courses, I am talkin' bout garrin'!" I rubbed Freedumb Gar Repellent over my entire body, and not one gar jumped in the boat or attacked me. Man, that stuff works good. I tried the REI gar repellent last weekend. I got a horrible rash on my personels. Does anybody know where I can get some that Enviro? cold water is it? Well then you shall have it and we'll wait until you drag your bum into Seadrift where I'll hold hostage the beer you crave until you can provide a reasonable explantion for your desire to have tax dollars spent by Hillary Clinton to fund safe sex devices for gar fish, medicaid for bohemians and stipends for enviro-wackos in west BF Sri Lanka. When I first read the Gar Repellant stuff, I couldn't believe that anyone would actually try and peddle the junk. Then I started to wonder if they gave ratings like SPF factors as to the size of gar it works on and the range in which it keeps them from your body/boat, and how long before you have to re-apply. And is there special consideration for airborne gar over water-based torpedoes. As was said at the Seminar, they don't actually attack you, but then again tell that to a who was right beside me and received a concussion from a 6-footer and the lanterns that I have had to replace from being skewered, not too mention or trivialize the pure adrenaline rush from the "surprise attack" missile variety. I had one of those safari dreams the other nite. I was in a fishing tackle shop down near the coast and they had mounted on the wall some of the gar that they caught on the river down there. They were about 12 to 15 feet long and about 4 ft girth. Probably weighed about 400 to 500 pounds. I aint sure if you were saying you dreamed about those 15 ft Gar or if this tackle shop is real, either way I sure know if you run into one of those you had better be showing a little more than a can O Gar Spray. perhaps som buckshot. Dr.Gar <DocGar@gartech.com> - Thursday, March 27, 2003 at 12:58:41 (CST) Louis makes a great point here,....the repel devices have been used widely with good results but they are somewhat expensive$$.......on the other hand, they are considerably less expensive than a trip to the trauma center and a big fat DNF........!! Not to mention the sheer HORROR of facing one of those prehistoric leviathians in the dead of night somwhere below 77 being knocked out of your boat into the DEADLY AWFULL BLACKNESS that is the lower Guad......talk about walking on water..!!! EGADDDZZZ!!! Larry <L.mondelo@beaver.com> - Thursday, March 27, 2003 at 11:22:57 (CST) Does anyone know of the fate of Pecan Grove campground? I drove by there yesterday and they look closed for business. Has anyone been able to reach Bill and Kat Caldwell for camping or shuttles? Has anyone been able to put in or take out at their site? Last year, we reached their number several times, but missed them each time. This year, we have had no luck being able to call them. Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Thursday, March 27, 2003 at 11:11:43 (CST) Yup the high pitched deer repel devices work nicely, Gar have big ears and subsequently very sensitive hearing. Best thing to shake that "gar in the headlight" problem. All the top racers swear by them. Be sure to ask the auto parts guy for the model (I forget the brand), with the modulator adjusment setting for different animals. Almost all auto parts stores have them, you might have to ask a couple of different guys at the counter. I have found that only the guys who fish will typically be educated on the modulator function. I keep the devices on my boat set on the "crustation" setting rather than the plain "fish" setting, seems to more effective with the gar. Like everything else, practice and experiment with the device and settings to determine what works best for you. Small price to pay to avoid broken ribs or worse.... Louis <Loowie@yahoo.com> - Thursday, March 27, 2003 at 10:52:22 (CST) Jeremy, about your bilge pump anchoring, I don't know what type of boat you have, but I swear by those little, plastic zip ties. I anchored my bilge pump at the keel line to one of the supports almost at the lowest point. It never budged. As a matter of fact, I tied down most everything that didn't need to be moved. Bring a few extras, you never know. Unless, taking a term from competitive cycling, you are "gram shaving" to lighten your load. Chris Hutchings <AquaPhoenix43@aol.com> - Wednesday, March 26, 2003 at 20:22:39 (CST) Here is a recipe for alligator gar. http://www.marshbunny.com/recipes/gar.html Dont think you'll want to utilize this on the safari, but you could always drap them behind the boat for later. Jon Schoepflin <jon.schoepflin@nextel.com> - Wednesday, March 26, 2003 at 11:13:49 (CST) I have found that the best way to avoid the gar, is to travel with another boat or two, at night through gar alley, which is the last 60-70 miles of the race. The gar are even in the brackish water. Go side by side with the other boat. You get used to the noise and splashing that way. If you are the bowman alone up there at night, all you can focus on are the huge gar that you keep running into. I saw one that was at least 6 feet long, it looked like a submarine. And I'm not kidding, you run right into them and you startle the crap out of them. Paddling with another boat, you're attention is on the conversation, and avoiding the other boat. When you hear a splash, you just think it's the other boat. This method would'nt work for the competitive folks though, they use those deer repellers that you get at the auto parts store. Tom Pope <tom_r_p@lycos.com> - Tuesday, March 25, 2003 at 23:54:02 (CST) Lewie if you was a safari man you would eat that fish Paddleman <kanuyou@garfish.com> - Tuesday, March 25, 2003 at 23:22:46 (CST) There is also a more complex technique where you can make an adapter for the pump to draw the water down lowere and empower the pump just a tad more. goodpaddle <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, March 25, 2003 at 10:50:01 (CST) I've always had good luck gluing the pump to the bottom of the boat with the 6000 goop. Solid. The red white and blue pumps clip onto the filter base (which is actually glued to the boat) so not problem popping it out to clean. Note, Jack showed me a trick: put in foam blocks to creat a narrows at the pump so the water channels through it (deeper at that point). goodpaddle <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, March 25, 2003 at 10:46:53 (CST) Kanuman, you know where to get any of that Gar Repel wax for the hull of my boat? I hear there is a new product available this year that introduces a low voltage into the water surrounding the boat to keep the Gar at a safe distance. There are so many people serously hurt every year from large garfish violently thrashing into the bowlight and ultimatley the bowman. After my first encounter I vowed never to paddle bow at night again.... Louis <Loowie@yahoo.com> - Monday, March 24, 2003 at 17:37:06 (CST) pilgrim what you do is to glue two foam blocks to the bottom of the boat and stab the pump in betwen the blocks You hold the pump to the foam a bunge cord or duck tape. there you just fixed in the pump quick, easy and you can can take the pump out when you needs to to clean it out. kanuman <garfish@hotmail.com> - Monday, March 24, 2003 at 02:44:45 (CST) Bilge Pumps --- Any good tips on how to house your bilge pump without drilling holes in the bottom of the boat or limiting the intake. Jeremy <bdanson@austin.rr.com> - Sunday, March 23, 2003 at 09:14:39 (CST) Here is a aerial photo &a topo map of Ottine Dam and here is a aerial photo &a topo map of the low water crossing at Palmetto State Park. Re: long portage, right side, Jack's Corner- Ottine Dam West- where do you get out and then put back in on the long right portage at Ottine? CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netX> - Friday, March 21, 2003 at 17:06:44 (CST) Michael- West was probably the wrong person to ask those questions of.... he is already the reigning historian & authority of the Water Safari (well maybe tied with Harras) so he probably has cataloged such trivia away :) CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netX> - Friday, March 21, 2003 at 12:45:57 (CST) You can have it if you can name three things that will never sink and also name the rather large national treasure that is very near the Colorado River and tell the class how it was formed... Michael Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Friday, March 21, 2003 at 09:20:22 (CST) Looking for Mark Simmons. E-mail me with his address, please. Thanks. P.S. Low water crossing at Palmetto won't ever sink. Son of Ottine won't ever wash away. Long portage at "Jack's Corner" around right hand side of Ottine Dam is wide open ie. long portage. --West West Hansen <hansen@grandecom.net> - Thursday, March 20, 2003 at 20:35:55 (CST) River report on Luling 90 to Palmetto: Level up nicely and good cfs. Luling dam is a standard portage-no changes. Son of Ottine is nothing more than a little ripple as you pass by the mill race. I have to believe that some serious scouring has occurred and that not much of the broken dam remains in place. Ottine dam is a standard portage left, HOWEVER, there is a small jam built up upstream of the portage entrance requiring you to pass closer to the dam and come back slightly to enter. BE CAREFUL. The portage is the normal pain in the butt. Colin tried a narrow path around the far side of the iron works and liked it - assuming you have shoes that grip well. Other than the dams the river remains passable - just a few "tricky bits" (tight slots through fallen trees and branches) as Colin says so well. The low water bridge at Palmetto requires some careful attention. Capt. Jack's directions help a lot in anticipating it. The bridge is submerged (may actually have sunk down some). A fallen tree blocks a run in to the right side eddy so you must pass by and turn around down stream. A standing wave, actually a hydraulic formed at the front edge will threaten low gunnelled open boats. Look at it before hand and you can see the best line closer to the far side. Passing by and coming back in is no problem. Have fun. Dave Bartell <dbart@lcc.net> - Thursday, March 20, 2003 at 08:19:41 (CST) Why front men hate back men The tree limb is a double edged sword. CJ, Ahhh, but on a Jr Safari once the front man hit the hornets nest square with his hat, while the unsuspecting back man (me) arrived at the location of the pissed and swarming hornets just moments later to recieve all the stings. Me hattum front men. Roy =:-) Roy Lewis <wwildchild@aol.com> - Thursday, March 20, 2003 at 07:31:38 (CST) Why front men hate back men The tree limb is a double edged sword. As Kevin pointed out, the use of a rope and reversing there direction is a great plan. I use the flora alot. I have a witness that ate many tree limbs and spider webs 14' in front of me while I was perfecting that technique.(Sorry John) Not all tree limbs are Sweepers to the person in the back. Watch the one in front of you. C.J. Hall <cjhall@itouch.net> - Wednesday, March 19, 2003 at 00:01:21 (CST) My partner and I are first timers to the TWS this year. We are having trouble finding someone crazy enough to Captain our team. Is there anyone out there that might be willing to help us out or maybe you can lead us to someone who might be interested. We need to find someone soon so that we can start training with them. We intend on doing the two prelim races in May as well and would like our team to be the same as the Safari in June. Thanks for the help Mike <clark0612@juno.com> - Tuesday, March 18, 2003 at 15:19:43 (CST) Heh..you must have gotten there late like we did, CaptJack. I hear they let the early arrivals portage closer to the dam. Anyway, we found it easier to throw a lead rope around a tree..that way, when we slid back down the muddy bank on our backside, the boat would at least be pulled up the hill... Kevin <Trainwreck20@hotmail.com> - Tuesday, March 18, 2003 at 13:25:04 (CST) Re: Robert Dail - Palmetto Low Water x-rossing One last tip. If you scout out the river at the low water bridge as well as the group camping spot (it is on river left as you make the last left turn before the low water bridge) at Palmetto St Park before you ever get on the water you shouldn't have any problems locating those same landmarks while paddling. This not only applies to Palmetto but a lot of other spots on the river as well. Jeremy <bdanson@austin.rr.com> - Tuesday, March 18, 2003 at 00:12:49 (CST) Re: dm - portage at Ottine in the 2000TWS Well, in 2000 the portage for Ottine was on the left like normal but about 100yds farther upstream than the normal get out slimmy spot. I got out with a bow line tween my teeth and climbed with my figernails and toes up that mud-slimmy hill till I got to a tree that I could brace behind- then drug my boat out of the water and up the hill, then drug it through the mud some more. When I got to the works on the left side of the dam there was a traffic jam- wasn't too worried about fallin in the hole- was just glad not to be climin up that muddy hill draggin my boat! watchin the people in front of me fallin in the back side to get in their boats :) Palmetto was a blessing! CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netX> - Monday, March 17, 2003 at 16:54:51 (CST) Re Robert Dial,....hey, watch out about that hole w/machine wks at Ottine,...there is a "crazed" MONKEY MAN that lives down in them holes...!!! If you want to, you can portage right.....way right!! and if you make it as far as Luling city pk be watchin out for RODEO GAL!! she`s a wild one too...!!she`s usually on the left.... Ahoy Capt. Jack, speaking of Ottine and portaging right, would you care to make any public announcements about how much you enjoyed that portage in 2000........please share your thoughts and comments.....and don`t hold back, be descriptive..... thanks in advance dm <diesel.com> - Monday, March 17, 2003 at 15:44:15 (CST) Re: Robert Dail - Palmetto Low Water x-rossing Robert, When you get back in the river after OttineDam it's just a little over 1-mile until you go under the FM-2091 bridge that goes through Palmetto StPk. After you go under the bridge it's less than 1-mile until the paved path comes down to the low water x-crossing from the Park's Pavillion. Just remember that it's after the "left" turn, after the bridge. Stay right and be prepared to turn your boat around to up-stream and paddle over to the paved path. During the 2000 race the water had to have been at least 6' over the bridge when I got out at Palmetto and the river was crankin! I had to do a hard brace turn and paddle hard to get back to the checkpoint. Of course it helped that there were about three people yelling at us as we were coming up to the path that that was the check point :) CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netX> - Monday, March 17, 2003 at 14:59:01 (CST) Anyone have a used Zav that you might want to rid yourself of cheap? I have two but need a backup. Thanks. scott johnson <johnson_scott@ci.san-marcos.tx.us> - Monday, March 17, 2003 at 11:18:38 (CST) Who is paddling this weekend who can help Chris and I with a shuttle? We are flexible on sections. We can do a long-ish run on Sat. (Still have not explored Cuero 236 to Victoria.) Then on Sunday (since we have to drive back to FW)we would like to do a shorter run on the San Marcos.We paddle aluminum and are slower than most but we try to be very helpful with shuttling. Barb Cutter <bjscutter@aol.com> - Monday, March 17, 2003 at 09:07:53 (CST) Robert, you passed about a foot and a half over that photo. We took out at Sladen as well-no fun in a six man. The jam 2-3 mile upstream from there was pretty easy over the top, but if you try it that way be ready for a couple of dips in the jam-its refreshing! John Mark Harras <JohnMarkHarras@PZLQS.com> - Monday, March 17, 2003 at 08:12:59 (CST) 1) Sorry about the duplicate "Rob" on the previous post. Please ignore. 2) Moon data for the race: Saturday night 100% full, Sunday night 98%, Monday night 93%, Tuesday night 86%. 3) Sun data: sunrise 6:30AM sunset 8:30PM with twilight half hour before and after, respectively. Rob Robert Dail <flawseeker@hotmail.com> - Monday, March 17, 2003 at 07:58:06 (CST) We ran Luling to Palmetto this weekend. Luling dam portage was no problem. Son of Ottine was easily run. The portage at Ottine dam is not easy at all. It is covered with slick mud. The comment in the TWS course description about the machinery and the openings needs to be emphasized. You could drop your entire BOAT down into those openings. Has anyone run that portion this year? Did you see this: http://nac.tamu.edu/x075bb/safari/SafariPics/Palmetto01.jpg We didn't. I don't remember hearing anything about it being washed out at the seminar. We ended up paddling all the way down to the Sladen Cemetary bridge. It was a pain to get the boat out there. I do not recommend it at all. The slopes are a mixture of dry, moving sand, slick mud, and thorns. There is one huge log jam a couple of miles before the cemetary bridge. Hopefully that will move, be set fire to, blasted, etc. The portage begins with sticky mud that is way too eager to grab your feet and includes a romp through some poison ivy and a slick slope back down to the river. We are planning to do Palmetto to Gonzales next Sunday. If anyone is interested, drop me a line. Rob Rob Robert Dail <flawseeker@hotmail.com> - Monday, March 17, 2003 at 07:26:26 (CST) Planning to run Luling to Palmetto on Mar. 19th (Wed.) Has anyone run that stretch of river lately? Thanks. Dave Bartell <dbart@lcc.net> - Sunday, March 16, 2003 at 11:51:13 (CST) Looking for soloist interested in joining me on training runs on all sections of the TWS course. Geoff Waters <TWATERS1@austin.rr.com> - Sunday, March 16, 2003 at 10:26:13 (CST) For Sale: 3 man Spencer-built Kevlar unlimited canoe. Good condition. $900 Contact Bob Thielman 281-648-1380 Ginger Turner <gingerct@juno.com> - Sunday, March 16, 2003 at 09:24:02 (CST) For any of you interested in checking out other long races, the Everglades Challenge is just finishing up today. Very interesting, and some photos posted on their website www.watertribe.com. Marek and I are definitely planning on being in the TWS again this year, and looking forward to it. Marek hopes to improve his time and I plan to do a better job as TC! (Good thing irresponsible and poorly prepared TCs are not banned from future races, as one poster had suggested.) Ha! -- sleep deprivation, do your worst! Connie Uliasz <connie@atmos.colostate.edu> - Saturday, March 15, 2003 at 12:27:17 (CST) Howdy! Looking for k-1 sprint or even a surfski for triathlons. Please email me! I need something fast, the sea kayak is just not cutting it :) Thanks, Reid Reid <vthydro@aol.com> - Thursday, March 13, 2003 at 17:17:55 (CST) Re: Jeremy- last year I posted a photo and message about water bottles and Bob archived it to the General Tips & Suggestions pages. CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netX> - Tuesday, March 11, 2003 at 21:02:56 (CST) Colin and Grady, will there be a class for Solo Unlimiteds at the Greens Bayou and/or do the Solos race with the ICF K-1s? And Jeremy, you can find drink tubes and clamps at most hardware store. You need to size your tubes with your jugs and bite valves. Some racers recommend that you downsize the tubes to make it easier to draw liquid. Experiment and check with Capt. Jack. Bite valves at canoe shops, bike shops, online and REI. At the TWS Seminar, you can ask lots of questions and get quality answers from the veterans. Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Tuesday, March 11, 2003 at 17:51:19 (CST) Dike??!!, 300 pound Rodeo Gal??!! Licker?, I thought you just met her! I hope all of the licking involved was only to check for salt levels. I must be training on the wrong sections of the river. Howie the Angry Indian <Howie@HPL.com> - Tuesday, March 11, 2003 at 17:21:12 (CST) We paddled Hocheim to 236 Sat. A hoot, with the current & swirls and boils. Fun to fly, for a change. Pray for same water June 14. Cuero Dam was amazing. River had cut thru to the right above the dike, with a succession of 3-4' waterfalls. Big logs where we normally portage over dam. Put in at that point skeered us off: worst hydraulic I've seen since Victoria Falls in Africa, and a back current, plus waves. We paddled thru lake & around. goodpaddle <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, March 11, 2003 at 16:51:39 (CST) Hey, they call it the "gnarly," but y're right, last year Gib was commissioned to clear it out and build a coupla soda pop stands along the way & a latrine/shower at the t/o where the 300-lb rodeo gal & her sister may scrub yr back, or sit on you, depending on their likkerlevels. :-> goodpaddle <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, March 11, 2003 at 16:45:24 (CST) Don't forget the Texas Water Safari free day long seminar is this Saturday, March 15 at San Marcos City Park Rec Hall. Starts at 10 a.m. and ends around 4 p.m. Hope to see you all there. Linda Cochran <lcochran@austin.rr.com> - Tuesday, March 11, 2003 at 14:30:09 (CST) We ran Palmetto to Gonzo last weekend and the river was not too bad. A couple of big jams before Slayden but the river was moving very slow through those points. Between Slayden and 90 (i think) there was a sharp bend with fast water. Left bank had a nice strainer and right bank had a large log right at surface. Fortunately we saw it it time and was able to portage otherwise it would have been a nasty wipeout. Gonzo required the long portage (river was flowing back on the damn about as fast as it was coming over). How was the river between Gonzo and Hochheim? One last question, where is a good place to get tubes,clamps, mouthpieces for water jugs? Jeremy <bdanson@austin.rr.com> - Tuesday, March 11, 2003 at 13:15:04 (CST) Robert, The bridge you mentioned is Prarie Lea 1 1/2. scott - Tuesday, March 11, 2003 at 08:07:58 (CST) Folks, We did the Staples to Luling run this weekend. It was worse than running SM to Staples. Geez, can't anyone clean out this river? At any rate, there seems to be more washed out bridges than is explained in the literature. One of these has the center torn out but had a bunch of debris piled up on it so we had to portage. This bridge is out in the middle of a cow pasture. Does that ring a bell with anyone (pardon the pun)? There were a couple of really big trees barely clinging to the shore. Looks like we might have a couple more strainers or obstacles by June. Regards, Rob Robert <flawseeker@hotmail.com> - Monday, March 10, 2003 at 20:17:58 (CST) Has anyone seen Son Of Ottine lately? scott johnson <johnson_scott@ci.san-marcos.tx.us> - Monday, March 10, 2003 at 10:02:49 (CST) There was an excellent race today at the EFWF of the San Jacinto ran by Mike Stinson. There were some fine performances in all classes.Even Mike Simmonds was there, looking markedly ephedrine free on his steadily improving performance curve. Where were all the other racers? There was a fair turn out but we need more of you turning up, no racers no races. This is one of the best "junior safari" races ever conceived. Thanks everyone involved The drugs don't work: what does work is honing skills and developing consistant performances through racing and training in a variety of situations and conditions.The races organised by the T.C.R.A. members offer a wide range of paddle racing classes and experiences plus the chance to condition yourself to the rigours of canoe racing.You can learn how to deal with many of the physical and mental challenges before you get 40 miles into the Water Safari. In a couple of weeks time is the Greens Bayou Canoe classic. The format of this race should allow most people to enter at least two possibly three 6 or 8 mile races in different classes in one day. The ultimate in interval training! Contact other Racers, Grady or TCRA members to organise pairings for Aluminums or C2.there will be races for Juniors. I think that economic conditions may be holding some back at the moment, but we've got to keep racing & preparing for better times.Dust off and wax those C1's and C 2's get out your unlimited solo boats and come and chase the Gators down at Greens on the 22nd of march.( you ought to come and race anyway just to see the highly original Trophies that Grady makes) On the Sunday 24th at 10am there will be a cruise at Lake Woodlands for any USCA, Aluminum and single bladers. There will be some free coaching. Contact me if you are interested. Colin Colin Morgan-Grimshaw <cagandjepm@earthlink.net> - Sunday, March 09, 2003 at 23:41:46 (CST) Somewhere in the figure of 90 to 95 percent of the finishers use bent shaft paddles, out the single blade groups. Mark <SlowPaddle@yahoo.com> - Friday, March 07, 2003 at 12:48:33 (CST) Re: Robert - bent paddles I would say that everyone who uses a carbon canoe paddle ie: Zaveral, uses a bent shaft paddle. The only straight shaft paddles I remember seeing are woodies and cheapies. CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netX> - Friday, March 07, 2003 at 12:18:22 (CST) How many of you folks use bent paddles for the race? Rob Robert <flawseeker@hotmail.com> - Friday, March 07, 2003 at 10:40:10 (CST) Isure hope Dr. Larry and Arthur get to scope some nubile spring break cuties as they work their way South. After two gnarly cold fronts they have sure earned it ! M P Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Friday, March 07, 2003 at 04:57:55 (CST) Crash and burn...If you don't at the flagpole you have failed. To allow this discussion to evolve a bit let us look at a primo non- essential amino acid- glutamine. It is produced by the body but insufficiently at times of high training levels. It will definitely shorten the recovery period . It is the preferred food for the gut in times of stress (ie TWS ) . It as well as fish oil ( omega 3 ) are cheap and will also preserve the immune and cardiovascular systems. This is significant as our training times increase and river bacterial load increases with warming. You will be surprised at your decreased demand for ibuprofen or analgesic of choice. I assure you NSAIDS are a factor in MANY more deaths than caffiene/ ephedrine . Pick a joint support formula and stay with it ...it will pan out in the long run. Ask around and see how people enjoyed their rotator cuff repair or total knee replacement. And in keeping w/ the big picture regarding moderation... too great a consumption of the anti-oxidant elements will have a paradoxical negative effect on our immune system. Better living through ATP synthesis, glycogen storage, glucose extraction. M P Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Friday, March 07, 2003 at 04:42:12 (CST) J, maybe, but is'nt it about 50 miles from galveston to freeport. I think they usually make about 20 miles per day. And sometimes they stop for a day or so to rest up. They left galveston wednesday. Here's their bulletin site: http://www.lacostadelgolfo.com/info.html . They go at a pace that is sustainable for month's. I don't think they are to the point of performance enhancing drugs yet. Oh, on the subject of drugs , I don't think you will build up a tolerance for caffeine during the safari. I've been drinking it for the last 25 years and it sure helped us get through the last half of the safari last year. Tom <tom_r_p@lycos.com> - Thursday, March 06, 2003 at 22:02:36 (CST) I was scrolling thru the billboard yesterday when I came across a web link about two guys from Luisiana who are taking the grand tour of the Gulf of Mexico by kayak (How awesome is that!). Anyway, I was out running on the beach tonight around 5:30 pm and I'm pretty sure that I spotted them just off the coast of Freeport, Texas. JSutherland <Jsutherland@dow.com> - Thursday, March 06, 2003 at 20:48:34 (CST) When you mention Attwood (i.e. cheap), I immediately become skeptical and 5 hrs especially continuous on Ds - really skeptical. And unless you plant that bilge pump and anchor it between your legs and are willing to turn it on and off when needed, I don't see a use in racing. Most bilge pumps do not function well or at all when driven dry. Rule is an exception in some cases. Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Thursday, March 06, 2003 at 17:46:12 (CST) Does anyone have any experience with the Attwood WatreBuster bilge pump. It is a cordless, and they claim it will run 5 hrs on 3 D batteries. Jeremy <bdanson@austin.rr.com> - Wednesday, March 05, 2003 at 21:35:25 (CST) Agreed that one must consume lots of caffeine to exceed IOC tolerances, I think in terms of blood levels an athlete would have to consume 800-1000mg (3-8 cups of coffee depending on how strong). But my point is that it is a restricted substance under IOC doping regulations. I also agree there are far more beneficial dietary supplements one can take to improve their performance. The anti oxidants you mention, also amino acids, b complexes, certain other beneficial trace elements that insure your body is working efficiently and sparing muscle glycogen at a cellular level. This will get you much further down the river than being amped up on CNSs. Tolerance is also a real factor, those who decide taking caffeine or ephedrine is for them had better put it off as long as possible. Once you start taking it, when you stop or when you build a significant tolerance you are going crash and burn.... Perromas <PMF@yh.c> - Wednesday, March 05, 2003 at 15:52:52 (CST) Thank you Bob! Asleep at the Keel scott johnson <johnson_scott@ci.san-marcos.tx.us> - Wednesday, March 05, 2003 at 08:23:35 (CST) I'm doing a Saturday run from Gonzales to Cheapside (766) starting about 7:30 - 8:00 if anyone wants to join in the fun. Steve Daniel <steve@steve-daniel.com> - Tuesday, March 04, 2003 at 15:48:17 (CST) Actually, I don't think even Richard Steppe can ingest enough coffee to make the caffeine red flag go up for IOC, the number is quite high. The typical cup or three wouldn't do diddly, ergogenically speaking. Whether folks use ephedra or not is something I'm pretty agnostic about, I choose not to, mostly because of very limited upside and possibly disastrous downside. Jerry Brown <jerry@evilgeezers.com> - Monday, March 03, 2003 at 20:48:24 (CST) Re: John & the sleep deprivation topic- during endurance/marathon races For those who haven't had a chance to read it- Steve Isaac, over on the WaterTribe website, wrote a good article about sleep during endurance/marathon races. If you look at the top of the article you'll see a number of other articles that Isaac put together for endurance racing. CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netX> - Monday, March 03, 2003 at 12:49:21 (CST) Possibly interesting for the Safari elite: A friend, a professional psychologist, was telling me about rapid eye movement and mental stability. Says lack of rem sleep leads to instability (hallucinations and worse?) no matter how much rest or other type of sleep one gets. Says there is a new therapy covered by insurance that entails surrogate rem, controlled by the therapist. Says the best Web site is emdria.org. I have NOT read into this myself and plan to sleep eno to get some rem. However, it could explain Safari hallucinations and disorientation that has cost or affected some finishes. Might also explain some of the legendary great runs wherein paddlers slept 2 hours and blazed the rest. John <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Sunday, March 02, 2003 at 22:12:35 (CST) Notice! The location to meet for the TCRA clean-up has been changed. The new location is Spencers Canoes in Martindale. The time is the same: 9AM. The date is the same: March 1. The location is now Spencers not Palmetto. Please join us. From Ginger Turner TCRA Conservation Chair Ginger Turner <gingerct@juno.com> - Friday, February 28, 2003 at 15:18:35 (CST) Does any one know of a shuttle service in Victoria Texas? Please help Paddlin Cowboys - Thursday, February 27, 2003 at 19:24:17 (CST) Eeeeeeee perro... Thanks for displacing me from the top of Gib's Alcoa hit list. I have to agree with your comments 100 % ( Since you and others have rephrased exactly what I said last week.)I do not know what brings on this Ewell Gibbons over - identification lately. I have observed many a boat crew over the years amped up on something that definitely makes a little Ma Haung look like small taters. Besides , it all equals out...the incurred hypervigilance enhances the hallucinations nicely. If I see you at the E-W fork or prelim I'll turn you on to my Grandmother's carrot juice and methamphetamine recipe ! She can't drive ... 55 . Michael Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Thursday, February 27, 2003 at 10:25:26 (CST) Is anyone planning on paddling the river this weekend? Say a good 40 mile run? Mark <SlowPadddle@yahoo.com> - Thursday, February 27, 2003 at 09:50:09 (CST) Twin labs just lost a lawsuit (not a particularly decisive win by the plaintiffs) in Bastrop County related to their ripped fuel product. Another in a series of high profile ephedrine cases. The jury reached the verdict days after the Triple A pitcher threw his last curve ball. I ride the fence on the issue, as this product is safe if used properly. Look at some of the other circumstances surrounding some of these cases. These guys are expecting a miracle in a pill, they are using it INSTEAD of a training program, and like so many of the fatalities the deceased had taken quantities well beyond the recommended dosage. It is a mild stimulant, nothing more, nothing less, if this substance scares you ought not ingest 95% of over the counter cold and decongestant medications. IOC also has limitations for caffeine levels in the blood, I have a hard time just driving in the morning to train without an industrial strength cup of coffee that is undoubtedly beyond IOC testing levels. Also Safari is quite a bit different than the Olympics, I am not aware of any Olympic events that require two + days of non-stop activity with little or no sleep. I would be curious to see if any top level finisher could step forward and make the claim they do not take caffeine in some form. ...don't forget Gib, I said "top level". Dogmorestrong <PMF@yh.c> - Wednesday, February 26, 2003 at 17:44:20 (CST) So much for ephedra. Twin Labs is shifting to ephreda-free products. They must be having troubles as their stock is in the toilet and was moved to OTC trading. I have used Ultra Fuel for years and have dabbled with other Twin Labs products including Ripped Fuel (I should have read the label first). My plan for 2003 is to check my diet with my doctor and to load up on real fuel that I can keep down after 35 hours. Lee Deviney <txpaddler@aol.com> - Wednesday, February 26, 2003 at 15:52:56 (CST) Folks, How long should I anticipate using a bilge pump during the race? I'm trying to size the battery and don't really have any idea how to gauge runtime. Thanks, Rob Robert <flawseeker@hotmail.com> - Tuesday, February 25, 2003 at 10:46:11 (CST) FOR SALE: Wenonah USCA C-1 (J-203) 18'6" with the following lay-up: • Graphite, ultra-light core construction • Skin-coat finish • Black aluminum thwarts, handles and seat hardware • Wood inwhales • Center graphite bulkhead • Graphite sliding seat • Foot brace • Self-bailer Paid $2495 for the boat and will take $1500. Garage kept and in excellent condition. Contact James “devo” DeVoglaer at 813.655.5931 if interested. James H. "devo" DeVoglaer <j.devoman@verizon.net> - Monday, February 24, 2003 at 20:38:07 (CST) This back and forth on ephedra has me thinking that some may be missing the point. Ephedra may or may not kill you, but it really isn't doing you any good from a training perspective and is kind of questionable from a racing perspective. The IOC bans substances for use by athletes for 2 basic reasons. One, it's not good for the athlete, and two, it gives an athlete an unfair advantage. They have pretty good scientists working on it, so I tend to trust their judgement when looking for a guideline for the use of a particular substance. For training, a better use of your supplement dollar would be on antioxidants, since heavy exercise produces a lot of free radicals (no, Jay, not Abby Hoffman). Vitamins B complex, C, and E are a great start. I use a multivitamin and a product called Athlete Octane (www.athleteoctane.com). Helps recovery, and helps me develop endurance further into the race. All 100% IOC legal, and next to zero chance of my heart exploding. Your body will thank you. Jerry Brown <jerry@evilgeezers.com> - Monday, February 24, 2003 at 16:47:56 (CST) I don't know for a fact but when you paddle from Staples to Gonzales and you didn't have to portage any of the dams then your in FLOOD STAGE. On the bright side you were smart by not paddling at this stage, one wrong stroke... One Smart Dude <DudeYouGotADell@Dell.com> - Monday, February 24, 2003 at 14:15:40 (CST) All, Thanks for all the advice concerning the flotation and encouragement in completing the race! Does anyone know how the TWS committee determines whether the river is in flood stage? We saw the San Marcos at Staples this weekend and it was a real beast! Our self-preservation instincts kicked in so we decided not to do the Staples-Luling run. Luling was reporting 2600 ft^3/s flow - well over the advertised maximum safe flow of 1000 ft^3/s. Regards, Robert Robert Dail <flawseeker@hotmail.com> - Monday, February 24, 2003 at 07:07:11 (CST) Has anybody seen Gonzales's Dam? I've seem to missed it... Mark <SlowPaddle@yahoo.com> - Sunday, February 23, 2003 at 12:47:50 (CST) Sherry, No there isn't a volunteer group or club that helps out with providing team captains. It's Wives, husband's, brothers, sisters, friends, coworkers, etc. that get suckered in, oopps I mean a simple "Hey I am looking at doing this canoe race in June would you like to help?" Don't give them anymore details until they say yes. Then you can fill them in on sleeping under bridges etc. Toss a few more messages on this board closer to the TWS if you still need a team captain. There are always the lurking racers that don't have a ride, or people that want to race but other things happen so they may volunteer to help you out. To me the most frustrating part of doing the TWS was the uncertainty until I got a firm commitment from someone to be my team captain. Good Luck!! Roy =:-) Roy lewis <wwildchild@aol.com> - Sunday, February 23, 2003 at 10:20:09 (CST) (not meant to imply "goodpaddler" -- I bought a good paddle fm Lee or Jay or somebody about the same time I got Yoohoo email). Article in today's paper that parents collecting in lawsuit from death of athlete son for taking Ripped Fuel/ ephedrine. goodpaddle <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Saturday, February 22, 2003 at 12:45:14 (CST) Bob Fay [Excell Batteries] has finished putting together the details on lithium battery packs for the Safari. He can be reached at 281-599-9827 or mobile 713-213-3554. He will soon have a spreadsheet on pack specifications linked to the Excell website at http://www.excellbattery.com. For those interested in the Lithium option I would also recommend an in-line solid state switch (a PWM switch) that allows you to step down a 12 volt light to 75% or 50% of power. It saves that precious battery capacity when you don't need full power. Jet Lights sells the switch for $30. They can be reached at 800-975-5075. Contact me if you need further details. Dave Bartell <dbart@lcc.net> - Friday, February 21, 2003 at 15:39:49 (CST) FOR SALE CANOE- Old Town Discovery Sport 15, 15’-3”, 43” wide, 3 seats. Deep forest green. Can use with max 5 HP outboard. Titled with TX numbers. Material Superlink3. Row/paddle/motor. See at ttp://www.oldtowncanoe.com/sport.html. Used one time, new condition. Bought new (6/22/2002) $1,000 + $77 tax = $1,077. Sell for $750. OUTBOARD MOTOR- 2002 Yamaha 4 HP, four stroke. Used one time, new condition. Bought new (6/22/2002) $1,100. Sell for $775. Call Randy Nederland, Texas RanJanBran@yahoo.com Home (409) 729-0206 Cell (409) 540-0136 Randy Bonin <RanJanBran@yahoo.com> - Friday, February 21, 2003 at 09:19:10 (CST) Has anyone heard from Bob Faye or have information on his new battery systems. I've been running a 15W/6V bulb with (5) D-Cell batteries housed in a pain-in-the-butt-to-change canister for five years now. I bring 25 D-Cell batteries on the TWS and have never had a failure. Looking for a better battery system without being cost prohibative. Wes Sheward <wessheward@yahoo.com> - Friday, February 21, 2003 at 01:02:39 (CST) Has any body been down any part of the first 60 miles of the River? If so what it like? Any jammers or anything out of place? Mark <SlowPaddle@yahoo.com> - Thursday, February 20, 2003 at 19:06:35 (CST) My husband and I would love to do the Texas Water Safari this year. We have lots of experience paddling. The only problem we have is that we don't have anyone who can do support for us. Are there volunteers or a local club that we could contact and possibly find someone to give us water and perform the other support functions? Any advice? Thank you in advance. Sherry Olson <sdopc@mindspring.com> - Thursday, February 20, 2003 at 18:17:22 (CST) Yo Jack, Here you go bud...the first ones on me ! Lee, Don't get me wrong... March is for experimentation - not June . FWI - supplements are chemicals produced by the body, revealed by science to be depleted or produced in insufficient quantities in times of intense training. I really really doubt that any of the "heavies" you mention can honestly deny using these products. Drink mix is a supplement, as is an amino acid bar, as are multivitamins. You are most correct - it is subjective. Michael Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Thursday, February 20, 2003 at 16:34:45 (CST) Where can I get some of those strange pills and potions? Jack Monaco <Monaco1@fx.net> - Thursday, February 20, 2003 at 13:16:12 (CST) Practice run on the EFWF course planned for this Saturday, the 22nd. Those interested in a shuttle please meet at River Grove Park in Kingwood at 8:30. Dave Bartell <dbart@lcc.net> - Thursday, February 20, 2003 at 13:08:15 (CST) Jonathan - Thanks for the info on Hyrodpel. Is it available somewhere in Austin? mjrendon <mjrendon> - Thursday, February 20, 2003 at 06:49:17 (CST) I have used HYDROPEL for 6 years now (even before it was on the market). In a word this stuff is AWESOME. I have used it in major AR races, major cycling events and ultra running. Last year my team mate did the Safari having paddled in a Canoe less than 8 times total (ever!). Our ability to finish was greatly enhanced by hydropel. In essence it blocks water from your skin but lets your skin breath (ala Gor-tex) Whith no pertroluem base it does not heat up and tends to stay on longer. There in no mess, and now nasty smell (ala Desitin). In last years race I used it on my feet (prerace) on my butt etc. (pre race and every 100 miles) and on my hands (twice) I used one 2 ounce tube for the entire race. Try it, you won't be sorry. Jonathan Redfern <buckeyenatives@earthlink.net> - Thursday, February 20, 2003 at 00:24:18 (CST) mjrendon, thanx for the info, haven't heard of the product- here's the link to Hydropel- sounds like a good product- anybody out there put it to the test? CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netX> - Wednesday, February 19, 2003 at 21:28:11 (CST) Hyrodpel - at $13 for 2 oz. How much is needed per application and how often does it need to be applied during the watersafari? mjrendon <mjrendon> - Wednesday, February 19, 2003 at 19:51:47 (CST) Regarding supplements, drugs and horse medicine in the Safari: Unless there are rules in place prohibiting certain substances people will try stuff. Hopefully the worst that will happen is that the experimenters will simply spin on their heads and drop out of the race before they really hurt themselves. What is a "canoe racer"? That is subjective. I have been racing canoes for 15 years but don't consider myself to be a legitimate canoe racer in the company of Hassel, Barton, Corbin and people at their level. I suspect that the key to becoming a canoe racer will be the result of training, rest and good nutrition rather than injesting stange pills and potions. Lee Deviney <txpaddler@aol.com> - Wednesday, February 19, 2003 at 16:17:51 (CST) ? - Team Determination I went to the website you recommended for uniforms/costumes? Let me get this straight- you guys are going to wear stars & strips- little girl- tutus for your Safari uniforms? :) CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netX> - Wednesday, February 19, 2003 at 16:12:48 (CST) HELLO everyone. Team Determination here. Just wanted everyone to know we will not be at the East/West fork Race. Military Reserve commintments. However we hope to be in every race up to and including the TWS. And we will have our new Bright and formal uniforms! Wonder if anyone else is going to have racing uniforms. Here is the place we get ours http://www.melrosebay.com good luck and happy paddling. Team Determination <the.mendenhalls@prodigy.net> - Wednesday, February 19, 2003 at 13:29:08 (CST) Ok all you East/WestForkers the big secret is! After you come out of the cut between the East&WestFork- The Point, you'll be looking west up the river between Atascosita & Kingwood. If you go to the right- you get trapped in a lake over by Kingwood. If you go left you get trapped in a lake over by Atascocita. Duh! Go up the middle- it's the river channel. CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netX> - Wednesday, February 19, 2003 at 12:09:18 (CST) Dave B. , Please look objectively at all the facts. Examine clinical studies conducted on Xenadrine. Know that Mr. Bechler was known to have been exceeding the max dosage per the maker... (it is not expressed as a recommended dosage, but a clear " Do not exceed" warning.) Ephedra has no significant diuretic properties. "Heatstroke" is a cascade of events resulting from poor hydration status. For an M E to attribute this drug as a prime cause of heatstroke (before toxicology results complete) is rather cavalier, and if he is ephedra positive - so what - we know he took too much. The rationale for banning it from various sports (or in the case of baseball - games)is that it is performance improving and subject to abuse. People are notorious for poo pooing warnings and advise concerning OTC meds and their potential reaction with prescription meds. Two are good, three is better... As an interesting sidebar - in a critical care setting, after fluid volume resuscitation , meds somewhat similar in effect to ephedra may be used to maintain a hyperdynamic state to preserve blood pressure and thus prevent multi organ death - which is what killed Mr. Bechler, not Xenadrine. I also do not feel a baseball PITCHER in spring training is quite on a fitness par with a marathon racer. Lastly , I have personally used this product as well as it's non - ephedra counterpart to intensify workouts over the last 1 1/2 years in making the transition from team captain to racer. I am still a little too slow , but that is changing. Thanks in part to a little Xenadrine sprinkled on my rice crispies. MICHAEL Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Wednesday, February 19, 2003 at 09:11:37 (CST) Andrew, the wind was really up on Sunday, we were making 6-7 miles per hour surfing down the East Fork, barely made it across the upper lake without a spray skirt and were real slow up the west fork into the wind. The course is real confusing as a training run, but during the race, with other racers to follow, the sweeper boat and the lake patrol, I don't think anyone has been lost more the 30 minutes. Training run,I think the record for being lost is 8 hours plus a long hitchhike from 1960 back to the state park which was then closed at 10 o'clock pm. mike stinson <stinsonmike@hotmail.com> - Wednesday, February 19, 2003 at 08:44:49 (CST) hey goodpaddler. can Darla paddle the red dog??? WE can't paddle the same baot and be luvers too because its like hanging wallpaper in the restroom paddle man <kanuyou> - Tuesday, February 18, 2003 at 21:20:27 (CST) Beware!! Ephedra is believed to be the main contributor to the heatstroke that killed the Baltimore Orioles pitcher (Bechler) in spring training - this according to the medical examiner in charge of the autopsy. Ephedra has been banned by the NFL and NBA and Olympic Committee. There are some who may be considering it for Safari use. You may want to reconsider. I prefer Rice Krispy Treats. Dave Bartell <dbart@lcc.net> - Tuesday, February 18, 2003 at 17:40:10 (CST) Marcelo, here are 3 brands - Rule, Teel and Mayfair. The way I see it you have to decide between GPH, amp draw, exhaust port sizing, water pick up level and screen, method of installation and weight. Easy right : ) I am still testing between the 3 brands in my spare time, so someone else may be more definitive, but I am leaning toward the Rule 500 with a sponge screen even though the Teel after adding a SS screen may have a slightly lower water pick. And some racers make channels to funnel the water into the pump. Good luck. Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Tuesday, February 18, 2003 at 12:34:35 (CST) Paul, I guess that must have been you just out of reach on the E/W Fork. If it was you, how did your training go? Andrew Nelson <andrew@juno.com> - Monday, February 17, 2003 at 21:53:15 (CST) Can anyone recommend an electric bilge pump for a canoe? marcelo <marcelocardona@yahoo.com> - Monday, February 17, 2003 at 18:31:50 (CST) Sorry Paul, got busy and forgot to share the story. Important note to anyone who is doing the East/West Fork race: If you have not practiced on the course prior to the race, I would not reccomend racing it. My racing partner and myself went to show a "novice" team the course. After crossing the lake, they desided to follow the right bank instead of following the bridge to the West Fork. To make a long story short, I got REALLY COLD waiting for the other team. I will say this, they got their training run in, and then some. There is more to this story, but you will have to talk to the "novices" to hear their side. (they thought we were fishing and would not help them). Did those planning on the Sunday practice go, and if so, what was the lake like? I know Saturday it was fairly rough, and the wind was only stronger Sunday. The novices have tried to take my boat number, but they decided to put a 1 in front of it. Look for them at the races. Andrew Nelson <andrew.n@juno.com> - Monday, February 17, 2003 at 17:36:15 (CST) I was looking for the story of a couple of guys on a "three hour tour". I'll check back later... Paul <P_Ohle@yahoo.com> - Monday, February 17, 2003 at 16:40:59 (CST) MUST SELL "Red Dog!" My funky fun old SU. Ballpark XStream speed. Solid. Flat bottom = good initial stability. Solid/ could Safari. $400. email or call 512 695-5233 John <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Monday, February 17, 2003 at 11:13:32 (CST) doubles boat update http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/projects/skip/update1/skip.htm Jeff Jouett <jj@visualcnc.com> - Saturday, February 15, 2003 at 15:18:50 (CST) TCRA SPRING CLEANUP A great place to get Safari tips, see who's teaming with whom, etc! Meet at the pavillion at Palmetto State Park at 9 am after stopping to get a free day pass at the park office. We will clean various sections from Luling City Park to Gonzales 183. When? The morning of March 1. Rain or shine. Afterwards, join the many others who have cleaned the entire 90 miles of the San Marcos River at Spencers campground to eat and camp for free! Call Ginger Turner at 512-459-5742 or email for more information. Ginger Turner <gingerct@juno.com> - Friday, February 14, 2003 at 16:26:08 (CST) TCRA SA great place to get Safari tips, see who's teaming with whom, etc! Ginger Turner <gingerct@juno.com> - Friday, February 14, 2003 at 16:21:37 (CST) John - Here is the link to the rules; http://www.tisd.net/~txws/03twsbro.pdf and here is the link to the guides;http://www.tisd.net/~txws/map.htm mjrendon <mjrendon> - Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 23:07:30 (CST) Ah. Found the cutoffs in my old notes. But, where are all the TWS rules & TC guides and stuff? Thanks. goodpaddle <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 18:36:45 (CST) ?? The new TWS sites are impressive. But my old machine won't bring all of them up, and I can't find the checkpoint cutoff times document. Can anyone send? Or tell me where to find? Thanks. goodpaddle <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 17:53:07 (CST) Looking for a C-1 Advantage in good shape. Email me or call me at 361-550-2334. Roger Zimmerman <a-zsurplus@tisd.net> - Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 16:04:42 (CST) Robert, The Ideas you are thinking about with the water displacement might sound good, however, think about the weight that you would be adding to the boat. Nobody can get much more water in a Aluminum than me, and Holly and myself didn't have much problem with water, most of the water gets in on the portages anyhow. I need you to do me a favor, give my dad and little brother a run for their money in 2003. Look forwards to seeing those who are crazy at the East Fork race in a few weeks. Andrew Nelson <andrew.n@juno.com> - Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 16:40:24 (CST) No, the funny part was watching two men worn out from 3 days of paddling, lack of sleep and such sitting in thier boat at the tivoli dockside with limp plastic whales between thier legs as they attempted to blow air into those little bitty air nozzles. They were sooo proud of thier accomplishments when they finished blowing them up, I am sure finishing the TWS was a piece of cake in comparison. Roy =:-) Roy Lewis <wwildchild@Aol.com> - Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 16:02:20 (CST) Robert, You guys could sit in the boat and have your TC fill in all around you with some of that spray foam. You'd be sure not to fill with water. Just kidding. You're ready to go man. Start paddling. See you on the river. Oh, and one more thing. Those plastic whales were not a pretty sight at 0200 hours. Asleep at the Keel. Scott <johnson_scott@ci.san-marcos.tx.us> - Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 15:25:01 (CST) Robert, one of the benefits of an Aluminum canoe is its stability and learning to walk the boat is a real advantage for the bow paddler. If you start throwing a lot of stuff in the center of the canoe, you will turn it into an obstacle course. The V-brace is a nice enough hurdle at high speed. And the last thing you want to step on is a spare paddle, especially carbon. So keep it tight,light and organized. Laura and I were not the best Novice paddlers out there, but we logged over 850 miles last year without a tump. You can too. The Alum is a bruisewater, but you still need to use finese. Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 11:10:53 (CST) Robert: My opinion is that you have a high profile canoe, means less water that going to get into your canoe from either standing waves or from the rolling ones in the bay. It's early in the season, means that you and your partner can get use to your canoe and less chance that you'll flip her. Last sounds like you have proper floatation in your canoe, means in the unlikely event that you do flip your canoe is not going to the bottom. I love the inflatable killer whales, but that would seem to take some time to blow up. Which if you're not in the hunt for first place Novice, then why not. If you are in the hunt for the traveling trophy then every minute counts (that includes now, with this nice training weather. The Novice class has at least three boats going hard every year. Mark <SlowPaddle@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 11:05:04 (CST) I still think Pope's inflatable "Killer Whales" is the best :) CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netX> - Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 09:49:17 (CST) Re: Robert- canoe floatation At this point I'd say your boat is ready to go. If you want some good, cheap, light removable floatation for the boat for practice runs, the best, simple way is rolls of bubble wrap in double heavy duty garbage bags, taped closed. You can make them any size you want. Remeber to tape the bubble wrap in logs before you put them in the bags and then fold over all the loose parts of the bags and tape the bags down. I would recommend this for your practice runs but you have plenty of floatation for the race. The best thing you can do is get out on the river and practice as much as possible as a team so you don't tump the boat over in the first place. Nothing can make up for practice and team work. CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netX> - Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 09:40:10 (CST) Folks, Thanks for the input on flotation. We are using a 17' Alumacraft light cruiser. We have visited TG Canoe Livery and had the bulkheads removed, sliding seats installed, a v-brace installed, and purchased both latex foam for the seats and minicel foam for jug holders. The holders and latex are in place. My thought is this: if the canoe is full of some sort of air bladder - milk jugs, garbage bags full of peanuts, etc. - then there is less space for water in the event of a capsize. We are considering float bags to fill the bow and stern and a good sized bag for the center. I was further considering some kind of closed-cell foam to attach to the bottom of the canoe between the paddlers to displace water. One idea is to get cheap camp sleeping pads and completely line the bottom of the canoe. Any thoughts on this? Regards, Robert Robert <flawseeker@hotmail.com> - Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 09:02:26 (CST) Hochiem campground guy is Bill (and wife Kat) Caldwell. Good folks and reasonalbe fees, this campground has been the best thing to happen to this stretch of river since the state hospital staff caught the crazed monkeyman on monkey island. Take 'em your business, if they shut thier doors we have to start draggin' boats up at the 183 bridge again. Dogmorestrong <perromasfuerte@yahoo.com> - Monday, February 10, 2003 at 16:23:42 (CST) Paddlin Cowboys:The guy that runs the Pecan Grove campground in Hocheim (site of the checkpoint) shuttled us back to Gonzales last year. He said he would be available to carry people to other locations as well. The number I have is 361-293-9125. Sorry, don't remember his name. Darryl Jiral <drj@co.hays.tx.us> - Monday, February 10, 2003 at 15:53:03 (CST) A couple of guys just left GrandIsle, Louisiana Sunday, to circumnavigate the Gulf in kayaks. It should be a great story. One of them, Arthur Hebert, was the fellow who kayak soloed from Yucatan, across the Gulf, to Louisiana in 1998. If you're interested in following their journey and reading more about the two, you can check them out at their website, La Costa del Golfo CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netX> - Monday, February 10, 2003 at 09:59:01 (CST) ANYONE KNOW WHO OFFER SHUTTLE SERVICE FROM HOCHIEM TO PALMETTO PADDLIN COWBOYS - Sunday, February 09, 2003 at 20:54:26 (CST) Regarding the flotation. The spray in or two part expandable foams are great. There is a big IF though. If you breach the "skin" that forms as it expands the cells in the foam will fill up with water. The minicell that Mark mentioned is a good choice but expensive. Another option is to get sheet styrofoam from a company that makes it in varying thickness. Just make sure that the "beads" of foam are the tightly packed (denser)type or you run right back into the water getting into the pores. Boats for rent: http://www.tisd.net/~txws/bugge.htm Jeff Jouett <jj@visualcnc.com> - Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 16:01:43 (CST) We may be interested in trying a three-man this year. Anyone know of or have a used one for sale or rent? Huff & Puff #316 <redfox_1969@hotmail.com> - Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 15:09:44 (CST) I'm working on a driving guide detail map for the Dupont Plant/swinging bridge at Bloomington. I can't remember- didn't they change the name on the sign out on Hwy.185? The last time I went by there I thought I remembered a different name on the sign? Anybody know for sure? Thanx... CaptJack <captjack@ev1.netX> - Friday, February 07, 2003 at 12:13:45 (CST) Robert: What type of boat do you have? Most boats that you buy in a store already come with floatation built into them. To give your boat a little added floatation try using close cell foam. Close cell foam is also great for jug holders. You can buy some at TG's. If you still have question and really want to see some boats Safari rigged, come to the East/West Race in a couple of weeks. East/West will also have a lot of light systems as well... Just my two cents. Mark <SlowPaddle@yahoo.com> - Friday, February 07, 2003 at 11:47:10 (CST) Robert: I've heard of some people using the expandable foam that comes in aerosol cans. You have to be careful with that stuff. You have to know how to use it, some people don't recommend it. Also heard of using empty milk jugs. We didn't feel the need for a lot of floatation until the bay. Last year, we went to the Dollar Store and got a couple of inflatable killer whales($2.16 with tax). We inflated them in Tivoli. When we flipped in the bay, I'm sure they are what kept the aligators afraid of approaching us for a midnight snack. tom pope <tom_r_p@lycos.com> - Thursday, February 06, 2003 at 23:20:22 (CST) Folks, What do y'all use to fill the empty space in the canoe for extra bouyancy and/or to displace any water that may come aboard? I've reviewed many websites featuring inflatables for kayaks that can be used, but they are really expensive. Anyone have some cost-effective (not cheap - must be a robust solution) ideas for flotation? Thanks! Rob Robert Dail <rdail@NOSPAM.centurytel.net> - Wednesday, February 05, 2003 at 17:55:48 (CST) I hope Julie & Colin have a better GPS on that new boat! Mark <SlowPaddle@yahoo.com> - Wednesday, February 05, 2003 at 11:37:04 (CST) Julie & Colin's new boat looks like a serious hotrod. I wonder what it will weigh when it's finished? I hope it's not too much for two to handle in the portages? (note: please remove the X from the end of my addy if you want to send me an email- it's to defeat the spider programs that harvest addresses for spam) Check out the following link I stumbled across tonight. http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/projects/skip/johnson.htm I look forward to seeing the progress of this project and I hope that Julie and Colin will chime in here to discuss it. Jeff Jouett <jjouett@austin.rr.com> - Tuesday, February 04, 2003 at 21:51:40 (CST) Lee, You must be fixin to run one of those World famous Wave Walkers to plan on being in Vic by noon ! Would like to join you, but if I can make my goal of lopping 24 hrs from last year how about Nursery at midnight ? Michael Simmons <mps@ktc.com> - Tuesday, February 04, 2003 at 21:12:26 (CST) Wicked Calendar. June 14th is my birthday which is not relevant expect to drive home the point that I am old, fat and never was. June 15 is relevant, my son Zane's 3rd birthday. I'm thinking of pulling over for a party in Victoria City Park at noon on Sunday. Oops, there I go dreaming again. Lee Deviney <txpaddler@aol.com> - Tuesday, February 04, 2003 at 14:30:43 (CST) If I read the Internet correctly, June 14 will be full moon. John <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Monday, February 03, 2003 at 22:10:44 (CST) Hey there, Team Determination here. We raced a Pygmy Triple wooded kayak last year. Although we only got to the 209 mile mark (my 11 y/o daughter pulled me out due to a serious skin infection). We had not problems with the kayak. I will tell you though to reenforce the stern main seams with kevlar. When we got back discovered the we were just showing bare wood. Yes we are racing the race again this year. Thomas Mendenhall <the.mendenhalls@prodigy.net> - Saturday, February 01, 2003 at 19:14:28 (CST) Anyone out there have experience racing with a wooden kayak in the safari? I just finished building my first kayak (18 ft plywood/resin/fiberglass---looks more like a fancy piece of furniture) anyway...I was interested in some outfittting pointers for the safari (lights, water storage etc) James Sutherland <jpsutherland@ev1.net> - Friday, January 31, 2003 at 22:15:53 (CST) Thanks to everyone for all the tips. I ordered a lightweight Camp paddle yesterday. The owner Dale Fox was familiar with the TWS and recommended giving it a special treatment using an epoxy coating instead of polyester resin and something called Dynel cloth instead of fiberglass. It only cost about $15 more and Dale claimed it would make the paddle blade virtually indestructible as well as watertight without adding weight. Anyway, no matter what, it should be a thousand times better than the $10 Academy special I have been using. It should arrive in 2-3 weeks and I'll let yall know how it holds up. Thanks again for all the info. By the way, we are paddleing a 17ft Alumacraft. 17ft Alumacraft canoe...................$600.00 Lightweight Camp paddle................. $90.00 Making it to Seadrift under 100 hours....Priceless! Jeremy <bdanson@austin.rr.com> - Thursday, January 30, 2003 at 22:42:32 (CST) Oh, and I forgot to say that we used Zaverals in 2002 and you can't be them. Tom Pope <tom_r_p@lycos.com> - Tuesday, January 28, 2003 at 23:57:55 (CST) Another paddle opinion. We used the wood lightweight Camp Paddle that Lee mentioned below in 2001. They are excellent paddles, very light, but they do require a little maintenance. You have to re-varish them every month or so during the canoeing season. We also found that during the safari, they soaked up some water, even with a fresh coat of varnish. Tom Pope <tom_r_p@lycos.com> - Tuesday, January 28, 2003 at 23:55:03 (CST) Re: Jeremy- paddle selections and links to websites Lee recommended the Mako from Whetstone as a good $200 kayak paddle. It's a good paddle but we've found an even better one for $200- The Onno paddles from California The Mako from Whetstone The Onno paddles This is the link to the factory 2nd-s from Zaveral I've bought new & factory 2nd-s from Zaveral. Every 2nd I ever bought looked perfect, I never could find the blemish. If I was buying a new Zav for the Safari I'd buy a factory 2nd- "Power Surge Medium" in a 52" for a normal sized person in a regular canoe. I'm using a 49" as a single blade in my solo kayak. CaptJack <captjack@ev1.net> - Monday, January 27, 2003 at 15:40:31 (CST) Registration for the East Fork West Fork is now open. Race will be held on March 9th at 4 am. Hope to see you there. Information is available at http://www.geocities.com/mikestinson1/ you can register on line at active.com. Yes, it will probably be cold and it will certainly be dark. mike stinson <stinsonmike@hotmail.com> - Monday, January 27, 2003 at 12:43:50 (CST) One other thing. Lave the straight shaft canoe paddle at home and learn to use a bent shaft for canoe racing. Straight shafts are the deal for whitewater but this is a flatwater marathon canoe race. Lee Deviney <txpaddler@aol.com> - Monday, January 27, 2003 at 12:03:56 (CST) Comments on paddles: I use ZRE canoe paddles, including the newest model the Power Surge, with much satisfaction except in the Safari. I use the Black Bart Radical Racer for the Safari. It's a bit heavier and the catch isn't quite as clean than a lightweight Power Surge. My reasons are 1) that the grip of the BB fits my hands better and I get significantly fewer blisters. Another person's hand might fit a Zav better (note different Zav paddles have different grips), 2) the shaft on the BB is smoother, again fewer blisters. Zav changes shafts constantly. 3) I think the BB is stronger and is built as a one piece paddle rather than three pieces glued together. I still use one BB that I bought in 1990, it came in handy in the 2002 TWS. All that said, I may try a Power Surge in 2003. Point being that the BB is also a good paddle and might be right for some people. Cheaper alternative is the 15 oz. Al Camp paddle a lightweight 15 oz. would paddle with a composite tip. If you are on a budget and can stand a bit heavier paddle, the Camp is great for around $65. Kayak paddles. Lot's of choices. Wing or traditional. For the Safari most people go with a traditional paddle. Unless you have proper instruction using a wing and are sitting in a very narrow boat with a low seating position (this would exclude most multi-man boats), you will get no additional benefit from a wing which is designed for use in skinny racing kayaks. The most popular traditional paddles are the Epic Active Touring Paddle and the Lighting. Both are very light, strong and around $400. Kayakstore.com offers the Mako T-1 which is half the price. It's a about 2 oz. heavier and not as stiff as Epic but still a good budget choice. Werner and many of the other big names also make good paddles but as you creep past the $300 mark, might as well go all the way with an Epic or Lighting.
I suggest a take apart kayak paddle. For an extra oz. or two (in the center of the shaft rather than on the blades where extra weight hurts) you get the convenience of a paddle that can be stored easily, has adjustable feather and length and is less likely to get broken. The Zav is the best paddle but the real question is which style is right for you? There are the Rec, Medium, light, and ultra light. What lenth should your shaft be, what width of blade should you have? I forget formula for all this... Oh there is also the Black Bart Paddles but I had a friend that broke one on the start of a Safari and never looked into them... Mark <WetPaddle@yahoo.com> - Sunday, January 26, 2003 at 23:11:23 (CST) Jeremy, I'm not a pro, but here is my two cents. A Zav paddle is the way to go, as P.C. mentioned the web site, they run the seconds on sale. The Zaveral paddles are well worth the price. Once you use one you will not ever want another paddle, well, besides their powersurge. Andrew N. <andrew.n@juno.com> - Sunday, January 26, 2003 at 15:38:39 (CST) For Sale: Eagle Olympic K-1, Wenonah, Kevlar foam-core, 27 lbs, like new(no scatches), $950 Speedster surf-ski, Wenonah Kevlar, Barton design, excellent condition, $900 (I would sell both for $1600) Steven Landick <landick@chartermi.net> - Sunday, January 26, 2003 at 12:01:18 (CST) Buy a bent shaft paddle. Look at ZRE's website - www.zre.com. They make really great, lightweight paddles. P.C. Randolph <puc_2000@yahoo.com> - Sunday, January 26, 2003 at 11:23:21 (CST) I am looking to buy a new paddle and want to get advise from the pros. I sit in the stern of the boat and am wondering if a strait or bent shaft would be better. Jeremy <bdanson@austin.rr.com> - Sunday, January 26, 2003 at 10:11:36 (CST) FUMAR CHOCHAR MOPAR - Safari Feet 03' - Jon Schoepflin <jon.schoepflin@nextel.com> - Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 14:46:29 (CST) Doug Rask and I will be buying a 17' aluminum Voyager. We would prefer a used one if that is possible in this neck of the woods. If anyone has or knows of one for sale please contact me. Thanks Jim Walliser 713-543-3405 Jim Walliser <jwallise@us.ibm.com> - Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 14:41:08 (CST) gee-whiz Bob - just when it was gettin fun - we had a live troll on the hook. See what happens when you don't check the board for a few days - they start flamin-out. I missed whatever the response was to my last post. I wonder what I said that ticked somebody off? - guess I'll never know? CaptJack <captjack@ev1.net> - Wednesday, January 22, 2003 at 11:29:45 (CST) Want to buy: A good used double bladed paddle. Please e-mail me with manufacturer and model type if you have one available. MB Huff & Puff <redfox_1969@hotmail.com> - Tuesday, January 21, 2003 at 21:37:32 (CST) Well, it had to be done...because it was there to be done. I talked a friend into paddling with me Saturday morning to set a personal temperature record. At time of entry, the thermometer showed 25 degrees. Seeing how we wrecked a lot, we were quite cold. A word of advise....your feet will itch a lot when you unthaw them. MB Huff & Puff <redfox-1969@hotmail.com> - Tuesday, January 21, 2003 at 21:33:07 (CST) For Sale: 2001 Kevlar We-no-nah Voyager with rudder, 2002 5th place solo safari finishing boat. No holes or patches, some scrathes. The boat is in good shape and fully rigged for the safari. Boat will be ready for delivery March 1. Only $1,000. Located in Austin. mike d <bikedrost@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, January 21, 2003 at 16:22:50 (CST) River Report: Paddled Staples to Luling Hwy 90 bridge on Monday. 2 log jams below the 3rd Praire Lea bridge. Portage river left. Also, the #2 PL bridge is jammed up. Water was about 680 cfs at Luling. Right now you can steer around the strainers as the water is high enough, but once it drops you better be on your toes. Darryl Jiral <drj@co.hays.tx.us> - Tuesday, January 21, 2003 at 14:03:47 (CST) Whoops, my mistake on the Safari schedule, I assumed it would be the second weekend of June (which would be the 7th-8th) and not necessarily the second Saturday in June. Since I'm already committed on my work and vacation schedules it looks like I won't be safari-ing this year. Anyone up for some paddling on the 6th-7th-8th? Tom Helm <tom.m.helm@bhpbilliton.com> - Tuesday, January 21, 2003 at 10:40:24 (CST) FOUND: After two weeks and two days of being pinned against a sweeper on between Spencers and Staples, I was finally able to rescue my beloved training kayak (a short, fat, and I now know for certain nearly undestructable Delta Dagger). Thanks for all the offers of support, and to those of you you helped to look for it. Also, my apologies to the young lady training solo in her C1 on Monday (about 2:30, just North of Staples)...After rescuing my kayak, I was quite dirty and sweaty. As we were in an isolated stretch of river, I stripped down and waded out into the river to clean off. As I stood there buck-nekked in the river, I looked up just in time to see her glide silently past. Thanks for not laughing...remember, that water was mighty cold. Robbie Cooper <scoop@austin.rr.com> - Tuesday, January 21, 2003 at 09:29:14 (CST) I'm getting tired of having to edit contributions to the board. Lets keep the comments courteous & civil. And, please remember to sign your posts. I'm going to start removing any post without a signature. Bob Brooks <bob@tamu.edu> - Monday, January 20, 2003 at 23:28:53 (CST) I am one of the paddlers you are referring to with your remarks. you may be somewhat correct about me but only a little and you are certainly not correct about the other 99% of the folks who paddle the safari. i have without a doubt the worst record in safari history: 5 starts and 0 finishes but i still win the thing everytime. i compete against myself and while i have yet to find the finish line i always find humility, grace and just where i stand at that particular place in my life. safari is the perfect venue for such discoveries if one is not afraid to find these answers about themselves. i start out every year with the intent of finishing, that is important to me but not the most important thing. i hate to use cliche's but for me it really is the journey and not the destination. i look forward to everything about the safari but its the people involved with safari that are the real rewards for all of us who paddle in this "race". i can handle it if you want to say that paddlers like me dont belong because my record sucks but you miss the mark totally when you throw a blanket on the rest of the bad-ass paddlers who are actually good enough to be called, in your opinion, "competitors". we all have our own motivation for doing this thing and you nor anyone else have the right to validate or inavalidate those reasons. find your own motivation for coming down and stop worrying about why or how the rest of us get it (or dont get it) done. i dare you to try and stay up with jon and stacy the night before the race and then go out and finish (every year they enter). im not suggesting this is the best way but it is their way and a damned difficult way too! bottom-line is this: if you paddle half as good as you run your mouth you will find all the competition you can handle come the second saturday in june. randy <satelliterandy@aol.com> - Monday, January 20, 2003 at 22:43:27 (CST) Safari is the second Saturday in June with May 31st falling on Saturday. "J Walker" doesn't even sound like a paddler. But he probably owns a paddle with all his references let you know that it is someone in our community. Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Monday, January 20, 2003 at 17:01:02 (CST) Pardon me while I interrupt, and maybe this has been answered already, but why is the Safari scheduled for June 13th-17th instead of the 6th-10th? Did somebody get in way ahead of time and reserve Aquarena for a wedding or something? Tom Helm <tom.m.helm@bhpbilliton.com> - Monday, January 20, 2003 at 16:39:27 (CST) In case it isn't apparent to all who frequent this bulletin board. "J Walker" is another troll ala "paddleman", "kanuyou" etc...maybe all the same person. I checked the results for the 2002 Triple Crown yankee races (AuSable, Gen. Clinton and La Classique) and a few other major races e.g, Des Plaines Marathon and Spikes Challenge and did not find a "J Walker". If a person is a stud yankee racer they would be "competing" in at least one of these races. So bud if you are for real just bring it on down and show us what you got. BTW, the reason the same people keep winning the Safari is the same reason that the same people keep winning the Triple Crown and other important races. The best paddlers are consistently the best. Lee Lee Deviney <txpaddler@aol.com> - Monday, January 20, 2003 at 00:04:47 (CST) Every Year at least is one person talks the big talk on the BB, but when it comes too race day their a no show. Tell you what Walker you win this race and I?ll not only give up NASCAR but I won?t touch a beer for a year... What Yankee state do you call home? Mark <wetpaddle@yahoo.com> - Sunday, January 19, 2003 at 22:37:47 (CST) Walker, okay we will save you a special place up front to start the race and I will bring a box of kleenex in case someone passes you or gets too close to your racing boat. BTW I do not see a Walker in the past 3 TWS? mjrendon <mjrendon> - Sunday, January 19, 2003 at 20:10:43 (CST) God bless us retards. And remember to fly your Texas flags on March 2nd. Alseep at the Keel scott <downriver@grandecom.com> - Sunday, January 19, 2003 at 08:10:28 (CST) "Us folk from out of state do not have the privilege of securing the primo starting positions." You do have the primo starting spot. Send your money now and you're on the front row. Remember the 6th position of each row is reserved for out of state paddlers who don't race the prelim. Of course being a "retard" I had to read the rules to know this. Jay Daniel <jhdaniel@sbcglobal.net> - Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 22:42:35 (CST) Now THAT is more like it. Now you guys are getting some where. I can't believe it takes an "out of stater" to finally give us the compliment we deserve. Beer drinking, BBQ eatin', paddlin', retards. This is better than Joe Millionaire. Huff & Puff <agiedc@itouch.net> - Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 22:05:38 (CST) Paddling safari to bond with family, or for the adventure, the party or whatever is certainly an element of the safari, just not a competitive element. So I point out the concept that started this thread, not every one in safari is a competitor; there are plenty of non-competitors in the "Race". I think it is fine that they are able to participate, they did pay their 100 bucks. PARTICIPANTS should be mindful of the COMPETITORS and not try and keep up with the mass start if they cannot control their boat. Us folk from out of state do not have the privilege of securing the primo starting positions. You guys from Texas can't help it that you drink too much beer, eat too much barbecue and paddle like retards. J. Walker <comode@datapimp.com> - Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 20:57:44 (CST) Paddling safari to bond with family, or for the adventure, the party or whatever is certainly an element of the safari, just not a competitive element. So I point out the concept that started this thread, not everyone in safari is a competitor; there are plenty of non-competitors in the "Race". I think it is fine that they are able to participate, they did pay their 100 bucks. PARTICIPANTS should be mindful of the COMPETITORS and not try and keep up with the mass start if they cannot control their boat. Us folk from out of state do not have the privilege of securing the primo starting positions. You guys from Texas can't help it that you drink too much beer, eat too much barbecue and paddle like retards. J. Walker <comodee@datapimp.com> - Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 20:40:56 (CST) You gotta luv it. TWS Fever. Even at 25 degrees. Huff & Puff <agiedc@itouch.net> - Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 20:38:06 (CST) AMEN! Brother Paul. Chris Hutchings <AquaPhoenix43@aol.com> - Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 12:13:28 (CST) Walker, maybe you should think about entering the prelim race and getting a head start on the ABS Old Towns. If you and your kevlar are still surrounded by the Old Towns, then you should start thinking about trading in you fancy boat. Lots of people enter the race in ?slow? boat and then return the next year with a faster boat and turn in a faster time. This is good for the race and good for the paddle shops. Great thing about canoe races is the field thins out quickly. This race is more than just a race; it?s bonding time between fathers, sons, mothers, sisters, and/or friends. Just like this BB is more than a complaining board. But that?s just an opinion. Paul Ohlemacher <P_Ohle@yahoo.com> - Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 11:15:49 (CST) I am a experienced paddeler looking to join a team or form one of my own for the TWS this year. I spent many years during college in San Marcos, but now am located in Dallas. I have never competed, but am serious about doing it this year. If interested please email me, thanks. Brian McLaughlin <wildbill4202000@yahoo.com> - Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 10:57:18 (CST) I am a experienced paddeler looking to join a team or form one of my own for the TWS this year. I spent many years during college in San Marcos, but now am located in Dallas. I have never competed, but am serious about doing it this year. If interested please email me, thanks. Brian McLaughlin <wildbill4202000@yahoo.com> - Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 10:57:15 (CST) I am a experienced paddeler looking to join a team or form one of my own for the TWS this year. I spent many years during college in San Marcos, but now am located in Dallas. I have never competed, but am serious about doing it this year. If interested please email me, thanks. Brian McLaughlin <wildbill4202000@yahoo.com> - Saturday, January 18, 2003 at 10:56:57 (CST) Vance - I thought J. was complaining about me since at the start of the 2002 TWS I yelled ramming speed as we took off in our 2 man abs old town. Actually, the start was tough for almost everyone (except for maybe the first few boats). I guess that is part of being in the TOUGHEST boat race. Your idea on securing a better starting position is right on the mark. J. if you are looking for a more durable boat, I would recommend an abs old town. mjrendon <mjrendon> - Friday, January 17, 2003 at 20:48:15 (CST) Hey J. Walker, you should chill out. To me, this race is about having fun with my pals while racing the clock. I could care less what you, or any other boat is doing. I just want to beat the clock. If I ram you with my ABS Old Town, quit crying, those are the breaks, you shoulda been paddling faster. Shoulda secured a better starting position. Shoulda picked a more durable boat. Quit complaining, Yaa hoo! Vance Jones <gvj4@hotmail.com> - Friday, January 17, 2003 at 18:13:27 (CST) "World's Toughest Adventure Paddle"......hmmmm just doesn't sound right, maybe that is why they decided to call it a BOAT RACE. You don't see any Dodge minivans entered in the Baja 500 and pulling over every 30 miles to get sandwiches and a nap so why to we have to have the boating equivalent in Safari? You are right about the field getting to big, I think the start should not be staggered but rather COMPETITORS in the RACE should have to qualify. This will thin the field out substantially, also insure I will not get my wafer thin Kevlar boat destroyed at the start by some jack ass who can't control their ABS Old Town. J Walker <comodee@datapimp.com> - Friday, January 17, 2003 at 17:35:49 (CST) If you look back through the finishing times from prior Safaris, it could be said that 3+Unlimited boats are competitive if they finish under 45hrs. Tandems & Solos are "competitive racers" if they finish in under 50hrs. All the rest of us are "Adventure paddlers"- some a little faster than others. Anybody who finishes in 90+hrs. is a "party animal". It has been suggested that the real "racers" start 30 minutes ahead of the rest of us so we don't get run over by the "war" canoes at the start of the race - rule hasn't happened - yet? I'm not in a hurry anymore so I just mosey down the right side, out of everyone's way. I was in 66th place at Staples and managed to finish in 41st place in 2001. Since I don't have a "competitive boat", I just want to finish a few hours ahead of the awards so I have enough time to take a nice shower and relax before lunch :) All I could think about, crossing the bay last time, was not missing the food!!! CaptJack <captjack@ev1.net> - Friday, January 17, 2003 at 16:54:05 (CST) Sure all of the people that enter the safari are technically "competitors" (sez so on their shirts) but a large majority of them are not competitive paddlers, or even competitive endurance athletes. They are just going for the finish, granted not everyone has the same abilities and that is life. Keep in mind this event is a RACE the idea is to try to get there faster than your competition. I'll never forget the year there were guys in the bay lilly dipping in to Seadrift trying to see who could get there last. The best thing the Safari Board ever did was to impose cut off times, this means all the goofuses in the race only have time to smoke one reefer an hour instead of two. In my opinion they need to make it even more difficult, don't these people think the race volunteers have anything better to do than to wait on people who are not racing? If you are not racing, you are not a competitor. Go out and practice and become competitive this will spare the race organizers and volunteers some aggravation, give this race a little more credibility in the realm of paddlesports. For those who just want a long/lazy river trip, you should do it some other weekend. J Walker <comodee@datapimp.com> - Friday, January 17, 2003 at 16:29:42 (CST) And the relay idea is not a bad one either except you add one more component that can fail and the gain of the relay is not significant since the wiring run should not be more than a couple of feet. If you wire the light in series for the bilge though and it fails, you will lose your pump. In parallel if the light fails, you will lose your indication, but not the pump. And you have to be careful on your connections, since if submerge they can and will short, draining your battery, probably TMI. And just a side note on the comment of one safari veteran that uses a handpump and was labelled a non-competitor, I believe that is hog wash. Definitely every paddler that completes the 260 mile race is a competitor. Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Friday, January 17, 2003 at 08:33:57 (CST) Speaking to a Safari veteran last night and his experience is that the switch is basically reliable for one race. He like I felt that keeping it simple like using a balloon cover or some over protective device if you catch my drift : ) would work. So far the vacuum created by keeping it air tight makes the plunger inoperable. I prefer a waterproof light switch and have had good results last year and have installed the same setup in my Solo and it is working very well. May have to move in that direction also for the bilge pump, but like John suggested it is better to keep the hands free and wiring a light in series or parallel past the switch is not a bad idea either. Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Friday, January 17, 2003 at 08:17:08 (CST) Henry - Your idea of the switch down by your feet is a great one. I was thinking of a switch closer to my hands to operate with a 12VDC relay (next to the batteries) to keep the resistance drain on the bilge batteries small. Please keep us updated on your progress for a waterproof foot switching solution would be ideal. mjrendon <mjrendon> - Thursday, January 16, 2003 at 20:55:06 (CST) The toughest race has to be those around the world solo sailboat races, nothing we do even comes close. mike stinson <stinsonmike@hotmail.com> - Thursday, January 16, 2003 at 14:50:58 (CST) For those who are finding the Safari is too easy (even with aluminum and wood) or for rookies who are wondering if you have to have the latest carbon fiber technology to make it to Seadrift, I will the echo the one word advice given to Dustin Hoffman in "The Graduate": Plastics. Plastic boat, plastic paddle. Then let's talk. The Safari is a great race and a great adventure, put on by some very fine people. Thank you in advance for letting us have such pure fun. Norm Thomas <nthomas90252@aol.com> - Thursday, January 16, 2003 at 09:12:46 (CST) I love to see the billboard get active. I love what Deviney says, he is right. Once you complete TWS in aluminum with a wood paddle, everything else is a bowl of cherries. Try adding a iron anvil for weight, feel like Queen Mary pushing water down river. Kinda like starting as PFC rather than frogging in as a second lieuey. Paddling is great, huh -- even when cotton pickin' 34 degrees outside. I love it. Huff & Puff <agiedc@itouch.net> - Wednesday, January 15, 2003 at 22:56:42 (CST) John- you're right about the OkefenokeeChallenge being harder than the Safari, we've both heard&read DeVoglaer's account of the race but I don't think Isaac will ever run it as a non-stop race again. As it's scheduled now, it's a stage race. The Everglade'sChallenge is a long and strenuous race but it doesn't have the hazards of the river, the portages like the Safari or the Okie race. I won't take anything away from Devo&Shea though. From what Devo said about the crossing on FloridaBay to the finish, it was one of the most hazardous, dangerous, almost didn't finish things he said he'd ever done... anyway- comparing the Safari to the Everglades race is like apples & oranges. The only one that can compare all three is DeVoglaer. Devo, we new this would end up being discussed... CaptJack <captjack@ev1.net> - Wednesday, January 15, 2003 at 19:26:24 (CST) My take is the TWS board exists in part to establish safe and fair rules of play. It is the responsibility of the racer to know and abide by them. As far as being the toughest. It is our race, a Texas race with thousands of previous competitors and has been well-organized for some forty years, which other races can't herald. I am just grateful that there have been many before us to keep it going. And race records set that may never be broken, no matter how hi tech we become as racers. Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Wednesday, January 15, 2003 at 13:39:55 (CST) John, actually I took a walkman with me in 2000 to supplement my rugby songs, but I am surprised they didn't ban singing because of me. I only tried the walkman once, and could barely get a station. However, Iriver has come out with a MP3 player 3" long and shaped like a prism (this is a digital storage device like a tape player but smaller than a snickers bar). 1 AA battery lasts 10 hours, I bet with lithium about 15, and with 256meg of memory you can upload about 20 hours of music and I believe they make waterproof headphones for swimmers. I really hated not having music to liven me up, so I'm waterproofing this thing somehow. As far as the songs went, next time I will paste physics equations, or things I really would like to commit to memory, because those songs stuck and I still remember them word for word, yet I barely remember the race. Roy Lewis <wwildchild@aol.com> - Wednesday, January 15, 2003 at 13:22:50 (CST) The Watertribe site offers a growing library of helpful articles about boats, pumps, whatever... John <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Wednesday, January 15, 2003 at 10:17:37 (CST) Please. No one take offense. But a couple of races have emerged that may be tougher than our local darling. Longer, harder, upstream legs, 40-mile portage, 25-100 miles in the Gulf (not just bay)plus winter weather and storms. The Okee and the Everglades. In both of them GPS'S are necessary, required, plus, I understand, electronic homing devices. Different strokes... My own sense/ experimentation with GPS is that it's greatest assist is for mph, to keep speed up, study most efficient lines. I'd much rather memorize the river than fumble with a GPS to see where I am. And, of course, with the river memorized, general speed can be computed. If we are going to ban GPS's, should we also ban the electronic, artificial, alien, modern, new-fangled heart monitors? & maybe CD players? Roger, did you guys allow radios in the first Safari? (Roy Lewis is a great guy, prolly would share his repertorie of bawdy song verses, for motivational singing.) :-> John <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Wednesday, January 15, 2003 at 10:15:43 (CST) Oh and for a bit of trivia. Wanted to see how much extra weight a Solo Spencer can carry, since I want to use the canoe for more than just racing. Also, if you want to try some added resistance training to build up your strength, you might try this. Last night I added 150 pounds to the canoe. 50 lbs. forward and 100 lbs. aft and the canoe supported it well. After a couple of hours, I pulled the weight and the canoe felt like it was flying. Something fun to try if you are worried about weight in the boat. The weight does not hurt the canoe as much as expected and makes it much more stable. Of course that doesn't mean to take the kitchen sink for Safari, but like Richard Miller of the Grumpy Old men once said stop counting ounces and paddle. Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Wednesday, January 15, 2003 at 10:03:54 (CST) The foot activated dimmer switch (about ten dollars) is probably the way to go for an electric bilge pump, but it is not bombproof and probably the weak link. My first dimmer switch didn't hold up, so if you take this route, you might think of making it waterproof. Easy to goop the electrical connections, but the plunger is a different story. Working on a new design, so if you have problems with the switch get back with me, since I will have had some time to test. The river had a 6-foot rise yesterday and is really flowing here but the bright nights make it a lot of fun - lights optional : ) Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Wednesday, January 15, 2003 at 09:48:31 (CST) Ahh...the electronic version of the existing TC tote board. Still need the TC to sign teams through if for no other reason than to ensure that the TC hasn't checked out to the nearest bar or motel. Lee Deviney <txpaddler@aol.com> - Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 22:06:05 (CST) Lee, The timing chips are not really locators. They require no batteries and are used widely in adventure racing, marathons and triathalons. As a team carrying a chip passes a station, the time is recorded. If the TWS were to use a system like the one used at a marathon with 26 timing stations, racers and team captains would know the splits the teams splits for each of the 10 checkpoints plus 16 other points could be monitored along the way. Of course electrical power might be an issue at some of the timing places... mjrendon <mjrendon> - Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 19:28:48 (CST) Hey there PC, I have no objection to someone taking a GPS in the Safari. I won't because I don't need it (If I am paddling downstream I can't screw up). For me GPS is extra weight and a distraction. There is no substitute for practice and learning the river and your own limitations. I am less thrilled with the idea of locater chips or whatever was proposed earlier. I can see all sorts of false alarms going off when people park and nap. BTW, I did my first Safari in an aluminum canoe with a wooden paddle and wore feathers on my head (ok I also had a carbon paddle but I bought it from a native american who used to work for Goynes and I didn't use it on the SM for fear that I would break it.) Therefore, I passed the initiation and I can now use any available device that floats or is involved in the propulsion of the boat. LD Lee Deviney <txpaddler@aol.com> - Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 18:20:15 (CST) Another tip. I've found situations the pump was being cranky (maybe clogged, maybe batt., maybe wiring) and I couldn't be sure if it was on. Wind on the bay prevented me from hearing the pump and darkness from seeing output (which can be reduced). Hence have rigged a tiny red light that comes on when pump is on. john <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 16:34:53 (CST) Jonathan, Many, especially in tippy, low-gunnel boats, install pumps. 500 gph. Buy them at West Marine and such. Power them with 8 AA (=12v.) which should suffice. Get batt. holder at Radio Shack. Convenient switch. 18 mil wire. I like to use car dimmer foot switch -- when I take on water my boat becomes less stable and I need both hands on my paddle. Placement of the pump is a science. If yr boat is trimmed slightly bow down, when you get it moving it may plane out and water flow to the middle. These pumps won't take all the water out, leave about 3/8th inch. I've seen one top Safarist build a "narrows" that would channel water by the pump. Some top paddlers seem to like foot pumps which you can buy at TG's in Martindale. I find these too slow if I've got a couple of inches of water in the boat, too slow for the bay, and in my SU I may need my feet for the rudder pedals. A couple of boats I bought had self-bailers in them, but I never could get them to work very well. One Safari non-competitor uses a plastic hand pump successfully. Others cut Clorox gallon plastic jugs down and shovel water by hand. Neither of the latter 2 would work in a bad bay. John <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 16:22:50 (CST) About that bailer Mr. Redfern, first step to a dry bay is a bombproof sprayskirt. Check with the Goynes's on that score. Second part is to clean out the boat at the mouth of the river. We have one guy stow the trash and pitch leaves & twigs then put 30-40 gallons or so in the boat and swish it around until clean. Clean boat =Clean crossing. Unless somebody goes nuts or somebody's back gives out, but that's not what you asked. John Mark Harras (Driver #807) <JohnMark.Harras@PZLQS.com> - Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 07:52:28 (CST) Thank you Capt.Jack. I can always depend on you as the voice of the true adventurist. No there were no cell phones nor GPS's in the first safari's,nor were there carbon fiber paddles or boats. This my personal input. I have yet to completly finish the TWS. I refuse to compete in any of the prelim or other partial courses because I am thrilled by the unknown. That is what makes this whole thing fun to me. Sure I would like to make a good finish, but that is secondary compared to the adventure of knowing that THIS IS DANGEROUS. woodrow <hellbentcelt2@aol.com> - Tuesday, January 14, 2003 at 00:15:31 (CST) Sorry to change the subject:) Can some of the "experts" out there give me some details on bailers? What type of battiers, rigging to keep mud and muck from clogging them, and any other help to keep my boat dry across the bay! Thanks Jonathan Redfern <buckeyenatives@earthlink.net> - Monday, January 13, 2003 at 22:06:57 (CST) I doubt the Texas Water Safari people would ever be dumb enough to eliminate paddlers having sealed cell phones. The first time someone died during the race because of some unforseen incident and being unable to contact anybody, the Texas Water Safari would discover what it is like to face a really big lawsuit. I can't understand why some of you people are so against using a GPS. It isn't going to help a paddler go any faster. Yeah guess what the original guys didn't take a cell phone or GPS with them. Why? Because they didn't exist. They also didn't use a dug-out canoe or birch bark style of canoe. Why not? That is all the Indians and other early people had to use on canoeing expeditions. The 1st people didn't use carbon fiber canoes in the race. Maybe you should eliminate carbon fiber canoes. Eliminate graphite paddles as well. The world changes, and so do sports. A GPS and cell phone do not help you go down the river faster. They do not make the race any easier to finish. Carbon fiber paddles and canoes do. Now you know what to ban. P.C. Randolph <puc_2000@yahoo.com> - Monday, January 13, 2003 at 20:41:58 (CST) kanuyomama - Why do you care if someone uses a GPS or a one way radio? No one said anything about your relying on thos big yellow safety sponsons to get accross the bay... If you are who I think you are... Who are you anyway? mjrendon <mjrendon> - Monday, January 13, 2003 at 19:50:47 (CST) People use GPS in the Safari and still get lost. I seem to recall some folks paddling the wrong way, wild men running through the woods and my own team's temporary directional uncertainty when lack of sleep supplanted judgement. We used GPS quite a bit in training for a single purpose: to measure the speed/efficiency effects of different boats, paddles and paddling styles. For the race we left the GPS on the bank and relied on watches and memorization to know where we were. This proven approach saved a pound or two and a lot of aggravtiona and fooling around with non-propulsive gadgets. For a different race I might take a GPS in the boat if it made sense to. Lee Deviney <txpaddler@aol.com> - Monday, January 13, 2003 at 12:40:30 (CST) Vern i'll meet you haf way college boy. you can go stick ssome puter chip or potato chip whatever on your kanu so the county corner can find your happy butt dead before the banqwet. the deal is though that you don't get no benefit from it. like the one way radio rule. listen or talk but you can't do both. see what I mean jelly bean. this is the safari not the ego challenge. paddlegod <kanuyomama@hotmail> - Monday, January 13, 2003 at 01:20:42 (CST) I wouldn't hold my breath.. I seriously doubt that the TWS board is going to make the Safari like other races. If I know Phil, Jerry/Linda & Allen you won't be seeing any changes in the existing rules, if anything, they'll take the GPSs and sealed cell phones out of the race. This race is supposed to be about tough people in a tough challenge- you and your wits against the challenge of the river/s. It's not about the introduction of modern technology to act as aids, it's about athletes suckin-it-up and gettin-it down the river to Seadrift... Don't worry about the toys, spend more time training and becoming a better paddler. Get out on the course and learn the different sections like everyone else has done before you. CaptJack <captjack@ev1.net> - Sunday, January 12, 2003 at 17:07:18 (CST) The old cell phone and GPS arguement again. I would like to see TWS impliment the timer chips that are used at many other types of races. With enough sensors teams could get more splits. I used the GPS last year and found it a useful training tool before the race. You can determine your average speed, time spent not moving, how far to the next check point, etc. During the race a GPS can be used to remind you of a sweeper that caught you off-guard. There also is something to be said for knowing where you are and how far you have to go to the next checkpoint. With enough time on the river any insecure feelings of "did I miss something" would go away. mjrendon <mjrendon> - Saturday, January 11, 2003 at 22:53:24 (CST) Correct me if IM wrong.....In 1962 there was no GPS or cell phones, not even Team Captions then....So why would you want to take away from the sprit and challenge of the Worlds Toughest Canoe Race by making it easier. The TC should know where the team is at all times! That is there job! If we want to make the race easier, then how about outboard motors, or even jets skis Clay <Choll36042@aol.com> - Saturday, January 11, 2003 at 22:05:16 (CST) Laura Fatter! You out there? scott johnson <johnson_scott@ci.san-marcos.tx.us> - Friday, January 10, 2003 at 14:45:38 (CST) A friend was writing me about the Safari and asked me if I was going to participate in the (you're going to love this) "IdiotsThatLovePain&Bugs" race this year... CaptJack <captjack@ev1.net> - Wednesday, January 08, 2003 at 13:53:54 (CST) Looking for used but serviceable tandem boat for 2003 TWS. Prefer an unlimited Spencer or Rainmaker but will consider other competitive hulls or durable construction C2 cruiser. Looking for something competitive - light and stiff, ready to pay cash money. J Walker <comodee@datapimp.com> USA - Monday, January 06, 2003 at 14:45:22 (CST) LOST on the San Marcos River: Red/white Delta Dagger kayak. Well, not really lost right now, as I still know where it is. I got into trouble on a bad sweeper/strainer about two miles north of Staples Dam. I was able to swim to shore. But without my beloved kayak. Which is now pinned on it's side up against a huge oak tree. Too fast and dangerous of water for me to try to get out to it. It's been there for two days now. I'm hoping it pops out somewhere down river soon. If you find it, or know somebody who does, please call Robbie Cooper at 512-785-3472. Reward will be offered for it's return. Thanks. Robbie Cooper <scoop@austin.rr.com> - Monday, January 06, 2003 at 11:39:37 (CST) I'm looking for a used "USCA C-2 Mixed" canoe to do the TWS this year with my son Jonathan and would appreciate any leads. Please use my e-mail address with any specific information. Don Zeek <don_sandy_zeek@characterlink.net> - Sunday, January 05, 2003 at 21:53:19 (CST) The Water Safari party is held on a Saturday in July that does not conflict with the TCRA's State Championship Races (as opposed to a set weekend). The TCRA Championship race series is planned for the weekend of July 12. That leaves July 19 and July 5 open. I would imagine they would choose July 19. Call Spencers for an exact date. By the way, plan now to attend the Championship weekend. It's a fun weekend with lots of races, dinner together, etc. This year it will be held in Columbus. More information can be found on the TCRA website: txcanoeracing.org. Ginger Turner <gingerct@juno.com> - Sunday, January 05, 2003 at 08:58:39 (CST) This may be a bit early, but has the TWS 2003 party date been set? Last year (TWS 2002) it was July 1st. Is July 1st the "standard" date for the post race party? Thanks, Mike mjrendon - Saturday, January 04, 2003 at 20:44:45 (CST) Re: HenryD- Yep- plan on bringin back my yellow cloth (ya, I know it's camo on the outside) kevlar duck huntin rec boat- back down the big ditch I'm to poor to get one of them custom, light weight, go-fast boats so I'll just have to slug it out down the river like normal folk. My goal this year is to finish in less than 70hrs. That way I can take my time havin a bath and rest up a little before lunch :) Now all I gotta do is sweat off this gut I've been workin on all year sittin in front of my computer :) CaptJack <captjack@ev1.net> - Friday, January 03, 2003 at 18:35:10 (CST) For Sale: black four person rainmaker built safari boat. Same type as Myners won in last time they raced four man. Very, very, fast! Very, very, strong! $5500 contact me @ talford@austin.rr.com Terry Alford <talford@austin.rr.com> - Friday, January 03, 2003 at 08:38:50 (CST) Capt.Jack are we going to see you this year in that Wilderness Systems palmico or have you switched plastic for something lighter??? And thanks for posting the TCRA Calendar on the BB. Cheers. Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Friday, January 03, 2003 at 08:15:37 (CST) Shucks Henry, ya shoulda posted the Calender Texas Canoe Racing Association's 2003 Race Calender CaptJack <captjack@ev1.net> - Thursday, January 02, 2003 at 14:53:14 (CST) Okay, brain dead after reading my post. Still 2 hundred dollars is a lot of coin for something that doesn't help you paddle. Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Thursday, January 02, 2003 at 12:27:20 (CST) Last year, we had a new moon and this year we will have a full moon for Safari. Up to the racer to decide how this will affect your light setup. Of course, cloud cover can still give you a dark night. Also, looked into the Garmin GPS "Position Reporting." From what I received from Garmin, it is only available with their Rino unit, so you need two at about 200 hundred dollars a pop. Would not be surprised if not allowed for Safari, since you need to key the mike (2-way communication) and also has a short range of 2 miles. Probably not too useful even for high tech racers. And I could just be brain dead, but just have seen the 2003 Calendar on the official site. The Prelim is sked before the Dupont race. Henry < - Thursday, January 02, 2003 at 12:23:26 (CST) Re: Jason Wood- "..need a 'Novice' boat for the 03'Safari"- Jason, If you don't find a deal on an aluminum canoe for the race you can always rent one from John Bugge's Rental Boats CaptJack <captjack@ev1.net> - Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 22:19:34 (CST) I am in need of a novice class boat for the 03 TWS. Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated. Jason Wood <jtwood_@hotmail.com> - Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 17:02:31 (CST) Re: to Jeff Brown Jeff, You should get a team together (with one of Bill George's family members would be really cool) and paddle the Safari every year in memory of your Dad/s. What better way to honor what they started. I agree, the photo of your Dad and Bill in their "V-bow Tin Can" is great- it would make the rowers proud. Better yet would be to do the course in their boat, if it still exists. Now that would be a story to make the papers! You could re-pose the photo. CaptJack <captjack@ev1.net> - Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 00:09:28 (CST) My name is Jeff Brown and I am the eldest son of the late Frank Giles Brown, original founder and first successful finisher of the "Toughest Boat Race on Earth" and of course the Texas Water Safari. Most don't know that Life Magazine coined that description as the heading of its multiple page story about the first race. Dad didn't, and in fact he didn't talk much about it--he just did it. Most also don't know that, though he justified the race as a public relations stunt, it was much more to him than that. It was an opportunity to create something that would survive him, though when he and Bill George made the trek, he had no concept of just how special his creation would become. It was unfortunate that he left the Chamber a short time after the inaugural race--some say a hot headed response to the Chamber's Board of Directors criticism over a $1,000 telephone bill. I'll never know the real story, but it doesn't matter. What matters is that my sweet daddy, as vexed as he was later in his short life, created something that was inexplicably unique and special and that means as much or more today than it did when it began. It is what we all wish for, and mostly fall short of--that little bit of immortality that gives our lives meaning and purpose. Our family wishes to thank our friend Marc McCord for his committment to telling the story of our beloved father. And equally important, our thanks to the hundreds of worthy competitors that have taken the challenge, in whatever form or fashion, and validated and verified the spirit and theology of competitive activities like this race. Jeff Brown <jeff.brown@cgi.com> - Saturday, December 28, 2002 at 17:07:16 (CST) I need you all's help -- It's a long story involving a brother-in-law who now has cancer, job lay offs, and me never being poorer, but that's not the true point : the point is I need to get Ginger Turner ( as good and patient a person as ever paddled down the river) a Safari rigged Alumnacraft. Long story, but I feel I owe her the boat, and had planned on simply buying her one outright, except for one small thing: no money. I can pay over time, with about $50 per month til I get back on my feet. That could be weeks or a year; but I'm tired of hoping I can just get her the boat -- thanks. Norm Thomas <nthomas90252@aol.com> - Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 10:04:10 (CST) Merry Christmas to all you racers and my God Bless all each of you this year. Ken Ken Thigpen <kenthigpen2002@yahoo.com> - Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 09:21:13 (CST) doublecheesebugerman: grumpy old men??? Come on, you are way off. I guess no one else is really interested in finding out who kanuyou really is. Send me your serious guess as to who this kanuyou rascal is to my email address. mjrendon <mjrendon@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 17:25:57 (CST) Hey Marek, Cool video! The music fit it great. Andrew and Holly <txblueplaid@sbcgloble.net> - Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 13:16:25 (CST) OK,good point, maybe not.....then I`ll "double down" (pardon the pun) that it`s one of those "grumpy old men" dudes...!!?? doublecheeseburgerman <dcbm@noicantkanu> - Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 11:43:03 (CST) doublecheeseburgerman: I would take that bet. I think you know that it is not Kieffer. He posts only when he or a friend has a boat to sell. It is someone else... mjrendon - Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 10:34:06 (CST) I`d bet a doublecheeseburger that it`s Kieffer...... doublecheeseburgerman <dcbm@noicantkanu> - Tuesday, December 24, 2002 at 07:13:56 (CST) FUMAR CHOCHAR MOPAR. No Rest for the Weary # 9 says" Kanu Man paddles in a wooden boat". Mumbles Brownstone <Brownstone> - Monday, December 23, 2002 at 17:26:58 (CST) Kanuyou may be "a lovur a fighter and a wild bull rider" but he is also the alter ego of_________??? mjrendon - Monday, December 23, 2002 at 11:28:32 (CST) I am a lovur a fighter and a wild bull rider and i am gong to win the river safari as soon as me and the boys gte a 6 man kanu. anybody got an outrigged kanu for sell that I can chop some some? kanu man <kanuyou> - Monday, December 23, 2002 at 10:42:39 (CST) sheadog,are you out there? i'd like to pick your brain about something. that is, if you can spare the time. woodrow courtney <hellbentcelt2@aol.com> - Sunday, December 22, 2002 at 15:36:48 (CST) I think I know who kanuyou is.... mjrendon - Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 22:46:47 (CST) Hey Marek, Neat video! scott johnson <johnson_scott@ci.san-marcos.tx.us> - Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 10:04:52 (CST) Re: Novice buying a beer can canoe. congrats to you vern. you just made the first riight decision. I will not be in seadrift after the bankquet but i'll levae a beer for you. you will probably make it unless you believe too many tips from other novices on this webpage. we ot to call some folks everready on account of they take ervy damn electrict gadget padddleman <kanuyou> - Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 00:57:57 (CST) RE: GPS. I took my Garmin Etrex GPS for the last safari because of my limited knowledge of the course (long commuting time from Colorado...). I didn't use it on river. My Etrex wouldn't work very well on San Marcos due to trees anyway. The unknown part of the river from Victoria to Tivoli I paddled at night without any problems. I turned my GPS on only for the bay crossing just for recording purposes. Marek Uliasz <uliasz@frii.com> - Wednesday, December 18, 2002 at 20:14:43 (CST) RE: Cell Phones, GPS, & TC. Here some points to think about: Cell phones can’t get a signal in 60% of the river anyway, so why bring it? Point of GPS is it won’t help you get to Sea Drift, you have to change out batteries every 12 hours, it’s a river there are only two ways to go. Noting there are a few choices (three I think) where you can take a wrong turn but that’s why you need to learn the river. Learn the river and you’ll know where you are, if you start thinking your going the wrong way look at the banks and see which way the dead wood is pointing from the last flood. Point of the TC losing his/her team in the dark, it happens in the chaos of the first night. Because of the number of bridges between CP# 3 and CP# 4, all a TC has to do is leave the bank for a minute and this/her canoe goes under and past. The thing a TC haves to do is have awake eyes on the river at all times (is this tuff at 4 in the morning) if their stopped at non-CP, because most team will fly by with-out thinking to stop. Note even the best-laid plans have gone wrong. I’m with Capt-John, the leave to toys at home and paddle down the river. Mark <Slwpaddle@hotmail.com> - Wednesday, December 18, 2002 at 11:08:29 (CST) TWS 2002 video clip: I've just finished a short 3:18 minute movie using mostly shots by Steffen Saustrup and some of ours still pictures. It is ~9.4 Mb in windows multimedia video format, so probably fast internet connection is needed to download/display it.
Highest Quality AVI 11.4 MB
Marek Uliasz <uliasz@frii.com> And now for something completely different -- I just bought a new Alumacraft canoe and wanted to get your suggestions on rigging it Safari style. This year will be my first race and my partner and I will need all the help we can get. By the way, if anyone is thinking about buying a new canoe this is a great boat. It goes by the name Quentico CL but has almost identical specs as the Voyager. I picked it up from a place in Temple for $600. If anyone is interested I will give you their name and number. Thanks. Jeremy <bdanson@austin.rr.com> - Tuesday, December 17, 2002 at 22:16:20 (CST) RE: So what is the Texas Water Safari rule on GPS's and cell phones? Are they not allowed at all? Rule #15 from the 2002 Texas Water Safari Rules > "Use of two-way communication devices is illegal, however they may be carried in the boat to signal for aid in life threatening situations. They must be in a sealed bag (not a re-sealable bag). Use of these devices may be grounds for disqualification pending a decision by race officials." At present- there are no rules concerning the use of GPS devices during the race. Be sure to read the entire race brochure once the Safari committee has updated it for the 2003 race. Texas Water Safari website So what is the Texas Water Safari rule on GPS's and cell phones? Are they not allowed at all? Philip Randolph <puc_2000@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, December 17, 2002 at 20:02:57 (CST) My wife was my team captain one year and did a great job. She had to take care of our two kids, deal with my parents (even bigger kids) and my partner's wife, plus making sure our team was okay and had water. I can't imagine how having a cell phone would have made her job any easier. When she got tired she went to sleep and I woke her up when I got to the checkpoint. Cell phones are causing problems in mountaineering by making it too easy for people to call for help when the do not really need it. If they are used it should be for life and death circumstances and subject to severe sanctions should it be otherwise. mike stinson <stinsonmike@hotmail.com> - Tuesday, December 17, 2002 at 12:09:48 (CST) Re: cell phones, GPS and Team Captains. I am generally a safety freak but I can't go with John on this one. Point #1, the TWS Corp. owns the race and makes the rules. We can post stuff on this bulletin board to amuse ourselves and the TWS board may take notice. But, if you have a rules issue, you should also take it directly to the board. Point #2, team captains are a team member of equal importance as the paddlers in the boat. A paddler does himself (assume that all masculine references herein are sex-less) and the TC harm by putting a clueless person in the position of being TC. One could argue for a one year suspension of a team that has a TC that either through neglect or stupidity fails to fulfill their obligations in a safe and prudent manner. A woman (or man) alone in the dark? Perhaps this team and TC didn't plan well. Would one be so selfish in one's pursuit of the race to put one's wife in harm's way? For some of my best friends the answer might be "YES" I suppose. It's not an issue in my house, I know better than to ask! Point #3, unless you are running dead last in the race, boats follow and you can relay a message ahead to your TC if you stop. The cell phone for emergency use only rule should work if teams plan correctly and use sense while underway. Point #4. The absence of a cell phone never cost anyone a chance to finish the race. That doesn't wash because a paddler accepts the rules as they are when he chooses to race. If a paddler is in trouble while still on the San Marcos, he's in trouble. For whatever reason, the bottom line is the same. Point #5 The TC went to the wrong place? Give me a break. This was caused by piss poor planning. One year suspension for that team not having their act together. Point #6 GPS, what for? The river only goes one way, down stream. Yes, you can get confused below Swinging Bridge but it isn't hard to determine which way the current is flowing, If you practice the river you should know how far it is (in terms or time or miles) between checkpoints and landmarks. Most people write these things down and laminate them to their boat. Lee Deviney <txpaddler@aol.com> - Monday, December 16, 2002 at 23:01:04 (CST) John- I can understand your point but the team captains should understand how the race works. They should be prepared to wait at a checkpoint for who knows how long. At some point they need to let the race official know that their paddler/s are overdue. For this same reason, the paddler/s shouldn't stop to sleep between checkpoints if their team captain doesn't know they intend to. I saw this lack of communication and planning affect many teams through the years. I feel that the cell phone rule should be that- once it's used in an emergency, the team is DNF. I love gadgets as much as the next guy but I have learned through experience (and much council from the old-timers) that less is more. You don't need a GPS to show you how far it is to the next checkpoint. You need to put your head down a paddle! Like most novices- my first year I took way too much s**t! and like a dummy didn't have enough sense to take some of it out of the boat at the dam portages- so I killed myself trying to lift a 90# boat over obstacles by myself (solo). I also took a cell phone and managed to ruin it when I swamped at Cottonseed. The next year I got 20# out of the boat! (no cell phone or GPS) The next time I run the race it will be as little stuff as I can get away with. The idea of the race is- the faster you get to Seadrift- the less stuff you need in the first place! You don't need phones or GPS units- you need to practice and paddle your ass off and get to Seadrift as fast as you can! All the Team Captain needs to do is be there when you get there, take a good book and a lawn chair, and do their job... (mine wasn't at Victoria last time I ran and I was out of water :( and went on without any! CaptJack <captjack@ev1.net> - Monday, December 16, 2002 at 13:14:44 (CST) I know the issue of cell phones has been discussed at length and decisions rendered. However, there is one aspect substantially in their favor. They could make team captain's roles substantially easier and safer. Team captains often have to wait, sometimes for hours, for their boat to show up, foregoing rest and taking care of themselves. With cell phones, they could see to their own needs and show up at a coordinated time. We've have all seen this many times. In one case, the lack of a cell phone and the team captain sensitivity may have cost a paddler a chance for a finish. Last year I was in court in Dallas all week, including the day before Safari. Very tired and went down about 10p around I10. Zimmerman and Cole were just behind me and camped/slept and went on to finish. However, I had not discussed this possibility with my TC who would have stood on Palmetto lwb through the entire night. So, I labored on, ran into complications, and had to pull out. Year before, I saw a respectable team lose hours because the TC went to the wrong place... There was considerable anxiety for the TC's safety, a brave woman, first time hanging around river bottoms and bridges by herself in the dark of night. If it were only the paddlers, I would agree we should let them make their own ways. However, FOR THE TC's I recommend TWS revisit this issue. Other than principle, I cannot see any great racing advantage in cell phones, and if such exists it would be equitable. BIG relief for TC's, tho. John <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Monday, December 16, 2002 at 08:38:58 (CST) This uused to be the damn texas river safari website. The it was the unoffical website...now it;s the I don't know what it is website. what happened? did the burocrats and lawyers take over? get some perspective vern. bob brooks done all safari men and gals a million tons of good with this webpage. man gets slapped upside the head for doing right. there I said it and i ain't taking it back. Kanuman <kanuyou@aol.com> - Saturday, December 14, 2002 at 23:42:40 (CST) Does anyone out there know Mike Shea's web address or how I could contact him? woodrow courtney <hellbentcelt2@aol.com> - Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 21:57:20 (CST) Oops- I forgot> for Roger Nelson> The probable date for the TX State Unlimited Championships will probably be May 10th CaptJack <captjack@ev1.net> - Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 17:36:06 (CST) for: Roger Nelson > next year's Race Schedule The 2003 Race Schedule hasn't been posted yet. When Jerry Brown has a chance to get it together it will be posted on the Texas Canoe Racing Association's website under Races> Race Calender Usually the races fall on the same weekends of the month from year to year. This depends on who steps up and volunteers to run/host the race. Usually the 1st race of the year is the East/West Fork race at Lake Houston. If Mike Stinson decides to host the race again this year it will probably be on March 8th The next important event to attend is the Texas Water Safari Seminar held in SanMarcos. It will probably be held on March 15th. The important races to participate in, in preparation for the Water Safari, are the Dupont/Swingin'Bridge to Seadrift Canoe Race probably held on April 5th, the The Texas River Marathon AKA The Prelim - probably held on May 3rd, and the TX State Unlimited Championships CaptJack <captjack@ev1.net> - Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 17:25:50 (CST) I need dates for safari related races for 2003 so I may schedule time off work. Roger Nelson <rogerlnelson@sbcglobal.net> - Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 19:22:10 (CST) Chris, GPS has been allowed in TWS so far, and I've heard no word of banning them, although I personally don't think they should be allowed. I have GPS waypoints for the Checkpoints and other public access points from a team captain perspective. ie: the waypoint may be 30 feet from the river where I parked. And the tracks I have are not by river but by car. Email me and I will send the .mps file to you. Along the same note, Garmin now has a transmitter out that sends your gps coordinate to another reciever, ie: you can look on your gps to see where someone else is that has sent you thier signal. I think in a year or two we can just put little transponders on the boats and your team captain will always know exactly where you are, even when your sleeping on the bank. Think of all the extra sleep team captains will get knowing thier gps will start beeping when the team gets within a mile of the checkpoint. Roy =:-) Roy Lewis <wwildchild@aol.com> - Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 07:45:58 (CST) Refresh my memory. Can we use GPS in the TWS? Does anyone have info on Checkpoint coordinates. I would like to use GPS for training runs/times. Thanks for your help in advance. Chris <AquaPhoenix43@aol.com> - Monday, December 09, 2002 at 17:12:27 (CST) Does anyone know where I can rent a canoe in Houston? Mike <m.grove@netzero.net> - Sunday, December 08, 2002 at 23:25:04 (CST) I was wondering if anybody has done the Yukon River Quest. I've completed the TWS and learned many lessons in the process. I've entered for the 2003 460 mile Yukon race and was hoping to find somebody here in TX to get some advice from. I'm looking for gps coordinates and just some overall tactical guidance for the race.Thanks-Rob Leef Rob Leef <robdog1123@aol.com> - Sunday, December 08, 2002 at 16:17:25 (CST) The announcement below is for the San Marcos Solo to be held December 7th. (this weekend) Jay Daniel <jhdaniel@sbcglobal.net> - Thursday, December 05, 2002 at 11:00:02 (CST) As of Wednesday the river was running pretty darn good. Overall the river is pretty clear. A few questions have come up that I’ll answer here as well as the race briefing. 1 Either portage is allowed at Thompson’s Island. The only requirement is that you pass under the road bridge. 2 The portage over the black pipe at Cummin’s Dam is off limits. You must portage onto the gravel bar or go around the Dam. The path around the Dam has apparently been cleared. 3 The long portage to below Martindale Low Water Bridge is required. You may use either takeout at Martindale Dam. As a matter of fact this portage will be required in the SMS from now on in an attempt to keep the course as consistent as possible. 4 The race will end at the Big house on stilts above the road bridge at Staples. Be sure to thank the Grumbles for the use of this place. Jay Daniel 281-787-2271 jhdaniel@sbcglobal.net Jay Daniel <jhdaniel@sbcglobal.net> - Thursday, December 05, 2002 at 10:58:23 (CST) For Sale- Jenson 18 Tuffweave in extremely good condition, rigged for the Safari. Foot Bilge pump, Lighting system, spray skirt, padded seats, jug holders, D-Rings for tie downs, Carbon fiber skid plates on bow and stern (Spencer installed). This boat has won the TWS standard class in under 49 hours. Garage stored and the hull has never been compromised. Email or call me at 512-353-1430. Ken Ken Thigpen <kenthigpen2002@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 09:29:19 (CST) Attention Houston area paddlers...if you're looking for some high water paddling practice look no further than our own Buffalo Bayou. Due to the overfilled reservoirs the bayou has been running at high levels for weeks - it's like paddling on a real river. Strong flow, no logjams, however there are a few strong eddies and boils so exercise the necessary caution. have fun, Tom Helm Tom Helm <tom.m.helm@bhpbilliton.com> - Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 09:11:38 (CST) The information for the SanMarcos Solo Race is on the Texas Canoe Racing Association's Race Schedule CaptJack <captjack@ev1.net> - Saturday, November 30, 2002 at 13:44:44 (CST) Would someone please post the details (or point me to the website--no downloads, please) of the race to Staples on Dec. 7 (I think) --thanks. Sounded like a good place to start for some friends of mine who are thinking about soloing. Norm Thomas <nthomas90252@aol.com> - Saturday, November 30, 2002 at 08:44:34 (CST) Wenonah C-1 J-200, kevlar, boat cover, good condition, garage kept, $700. Boat is in San Antonio, TX. For add'l infomation email me at chuck_stewart@yahoo.com, or contact me by phone at 210-690-4977 (home) or 210-913-5445 (work). Chuck Stewart <chuck_stewart@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, November 26, 2002 at 07:48:04 (CST) In keeping with "Tipman's" recommendation on obtaining a good lighting system, Lithium battery packs will again be offered by Bob Fay of Excell Batteries. The packs will be virtually the same this year - just from Excell rather than Spectrum Batteries. If you did not get a chance to see a pack last year - these are built in a "bomb proof" fashion, encased in a fiberglass tube and then sealed on both ends. I can show you an example pack at events next year. For further details contact Bob on his cell phone at (713) 213-3554 or email at bfay500@swbell.net. Dave Bartell <dbart@lcc.net> - Monday, November 25, 2002 at 16:08:00 (CST) I wanted to let yall know about another good source for kayak paddles. They're called Ono Paddles, made in California. They're are beautifully made and much cheaper than, say a Werner.
CaptJack <captjack@ev1.net> Here are some more tips to think about when sitting up your canoe for your first Safari. First, don’t pack huge coolers full of ice (you can get ice at any checkpoint from your TC). It weights down your canoe and I would stay away from any food that requires refrigeration. Second, don’t put three grown men in a two-man canoe, people try this every year and some make it but it’s slow, looks painful, and just doesn’t work. Third, get some kind of bailer that you don’t have to use your hands (foot pump or electric). Last, get a GOOD light system. The best you can afford, nighttime is the best time to do the long runs. TipMan <SafariTip@yahoo.com> - Wednesday, November 20, 2002 at 15:29:49 (CST) I am in need of a used, sound, novice class, boat for the 2003 TWS. I am located in Dallas. Anyone? Anyone? Jason Sellers <Jason_sellers@intuit.com> - Monday, November 11, 2002 at 11:17:59 (CST) What happened to the Jr TWS times? I can't find them and in need of a pseudo TWS fix. Wes Sheward <wessheward@yahoo.com> - Saturday, November 09, 2002 at 07:06:23 (CST) If you don't have a canoe and are looking to race in the Texas Water Safari 2003, really start looking to get one in the next couple of months... For one, you can find some great deal in the slow months of winter and it really takes some time to setup a canoe(water jug holders, seat pads, Spray Cover, lights, ....). You don't want to be looking for a canoe in spring, you should be training then... More Tips to come... TipMan <TipSafari@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, November 05, 2002 at 18:48:25 (CST) Need Some Safari Photos I am to give a presentation of the Texas Water Safari Slide Show to the Rotary Club of San Antonio on November 26.This slide show is presented in a 3 day/2 night presentation from Pre-start activites in San Marcos to Finish festivites in Seadrift. The presentation pretty much shows the entire race but I am lack some slides from Sleydon Crossing to Hoheim. What I am looking for is at least one picture of the following: 1. Slaydon Crossing at night, preferably from the bridge at night 2. A nice nasty night logjam photo at night below Palmetto State park 3. Gonzales night or early morning, preferably with someone sleeping or throwing up or in pain 4. Hocheim crossing mid early morning Some cute photos of reptilian creatures (snakes or alligators) would also be appreciated too. I will take a photo via e-mail or send me an original or negative to: Gib Hafernick 1083 Oakwell Farms No. 108 San Antonio, Texas. 78218 Thank you Gib Hafernick 210-822-8901 or Gibguy@Compuserve.com Gib Hafernick <Gibguy@Compuserve.com> - Friday, November 01, 2002 at 16:28:02 (CST) Red Dager Bayou Kayak, 10'5" 2 paddles $325 Peter Churchman <pc42707@swt.edu> - Thursday, October 31, 2002 at 23:18:55 (CST) Two novices need used TWS race gear - paddles, vests, lamps...Will pay somewhere below TOP DOLLAR! Please tell your friends. Sam Brett <sbrett@ricochetfuel.com> - Thursday, October 24, 2002 at 12:09:53 (CDT) I am a novice and looking for a used but good aluminum canoe for the 2003 TWS. Rigged would be nice but not necessary. Respond to email - sbrett@ricochetfuel.com Thanks, Sam Sam Brett <sbrett@ricochetfuel.com> - Thursday, October 24, 2002 at 11:42:00 (CDT) The handicapping information is available for the San Marcos Solo (Dec. 7th) Call or e-mail for your information. 281-787-2271 Jay Daniel <jhdaniel@sbcglobal.net> - Tuesday, October 22, 2002 at 10:42:33 (CDT) Historical article about kayak paddles- http://www.glenburn.care4free.net/Info/seablades.htm CaptJack <captjack@ev1.net> - Saturday, October 19, 2002 at 12:23:12 (CDT) 17' 1" Perception Sea Lion Kayak for Long Term Rent Comes with rudder, two bladed paddle, emergency paddle, spray skirt, life jacket, two cargo hard covers and three cargo soft covers, bow light setup, head mounted light, front bow strap, two car top cushions, and transport straps. Very dependable kayak, tough, I have raced this boat 3 times in the Texas Safari (261 mile race) and finished. Twice coming in 4th place solo and once 8th place solo. Will rent for $ 400.00 for six months. Price negotiable. Located just south of Dallas, call 972-293-6415 ask for Thomas. got to http://pages.prodigy.net/the.mendenhalls/rent.htm for see gear and boat. Thomas Mendenhall <the.mendenhalls@prodigy.net> - Tuesday, October 15, 2002 at 14:08:22 (CDT) For Sale - 15'FuturaSport - fiberglass - kayak/surfski sit-on-top - perfect for Safari solo boat or Safari training boat - includes new compass & rod holder - $1050 - in Houston - 713-772-7463 - photo at - http://ttmb.net/pics23/1stRide.jpg - Futura's website - http://www.surfskis.com/ Austin Davis <austindavis@ev1.net> - Wednesday, October 09, 2002 at 14:23:14 (CDT) FOR SALE: 17' Aluminum Canoe $350. Good condition, heavy duty, all original. 512-452-9282 Vance Jones <gvj4@hotmail.com> - Tuesday, October 08, 2002 at 18:12:00 (CDT) I know this is a little late...however,I would like to personally thank all the volunteers who helped put on the Jr. Texas Water Safari. What a great day to be on the river. Good CFS, enough downed trees to keep things interesting. I'm suprised more people did not show up. Also, the t-shirts were extra nice. My hats off to the time keepers and the big guy cooking the hot dogs. Once again...Thanks. Trenton Trent Garton <eieio@boernenet> - Friday, October 04, 2002 at 22:47:42 (CDT) Ken, check "safari supply vendors" at the TWS web page: http://www.tisd.net/~txws/. I guess you are referring to John Bugge. Are you sure you don't want to drive to Texas from Colorado? It's an essential part of the safari fun ... Marek <uliasz@frii.com> - Friday, October 04, 2002 at 11:00:45 (CDT) I know I saw someone who was renting out TWS rigged canoes for use in the TWS. Can anyone direct me to this person? treemoss2 <treemoss2@aol.com> - Friday, October 04, 2002 at 10:36:41 (CDT) Does anyone know a good spot to access the river at Slayden Cementery Bridge? Jeremy <bdanson@austin.rr.com> - Thursday, October 03, 2002 at 20:55:11 (CDT) Every week, I try to run down to Victoria City Park at lunch to check on the river. Today is the first time since Safari that I have seen the wooden dock. Water level is getting close to normal here. Where's a good concrete paddle when you need one : ) Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Thursday, October 03, 2002 at 16:00:40 (CDT) Christopher, I would recommend a concrete paddle. And while your making your purchase, pick up a couple for Holly and Andrew. Preferably BEFORE next years prelims. scott johnson <johnson_scott@ci.san-marcos.tx.us> - Wednesday, October 02, 2002 at 08:11:08 (CDT) FOR SALE - JENSEN-CROZIER USCA C-1. SAFARI MODIFIED TO RUN IN C-1 OR SOLO UNLIMITED. FULLY DECKED, SAFARI READY. VERY STABLE, DECENT HULL SPEED, LIGHT. $2500 CALL JIM @(979)690-6128. Jim Pye <rooster@iolbv.com> - Tuesday, October 01, 2002 at 07:42:27 (CDT) I've just bought a solo unlimited boat for training and some light racing (after my siblings, Andrew and Holly, have sucked me into the canoe racing scene). Now, I need a paddle to match the boat. Does anyone have any recommendations? What should I look for? Wing or no wing?How do you determine the proper length? Thanks for your help. Christopher Nelson <kc5sra@wt.net> - Monday, September 30, 2002 at 17:10:02 (CDT) a couple of paddlers will be running luling city park to palmetto saturday morning. We'll be putting in about 10:00 am if anyone is interested in joining us. It will be a short run so bring plenty of cold beer. Jeremy <bdanson@austin.rr.com> - Friday, September 27, 2002 at 18:42:44 (CDT) Reward for Recovery, BIGGER Reward for Arrest & Conviction! - PLEASE POST!!! KEEP YOUR EYES OPEN!!! TELL YOUR FRIENDS!! - ATTENTION: KAYAK TRAILER & 10 BOATS STOLEN FROM CANOESPORT, HOUSTON, TX September 27, 2002 - Trailer: Tournament Three Tier Kayak Trailer VIN: CA571684003 Royal Blue (new paint) - Boats Stolen: Manufacture: Necky Kayaks (5) - 17 ‘Looksha IV, poly, rudder Yellow QNK41013 - 17’ Looksha IV, poly, rudder Yellow QNK41748 - 16’ Narpa, poly, rudder Yellow QNK35248 - 16’ Narpa, poly rudder Yellow N.A. - 14’ Dolphin, poly, sit on top, Yellow QNK41633 - Manufacture: Perception / Aquaterra (5) - 14’ Prism, sit on top, 2 hatch, Yellow WEM39708I292 - 14’ Prism, sit on top, 2 hatch, Yellow WEM39206L595 - 14’ Prism, sit on top, 2 hatch, Yellow WEM39650B999 - 16’ Chinook Exp, poly rudder Yellow WEM91297J293 - 16’ Chinook Exp, poly rudder Yellow WEM91302J293 - IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION PLEASE CONTACT: Bruce Gillan or Charles Duvic - 713-660-7000, Toll free 866-665-2925 - Houston Auto Theft Dept: 713-308-3500, (cn138774602-y) - Reward for Recovery, BIGGER Reward for Arrest & Conviction! - CANOESPORT - 5808 South Rice Ave. - Houston, TX 77081 - info@canoesport.com CanoeSport <info@canoesport.com> - Friday, September 27, 2002 at 11:44:45 (CDT) FOR SALE USCA C-2 Wenonah V1A Class racing canoe 18'6 ft. Carbon Fiber/Kevlar bottom (black shell, tan interior) 32 lbs. Total Weighth Geared for Safari, ran it in 2001 With custom water resistant snap cover skirt. With self-bailer, No Rudders, Very Very Fast 2 person boat... Must sell.. Asking $2000.00 OBO (Custom Built cost @ $2789.00) Contact - Shane Bordeau 512.751.6759 www.Caged-Tigers.com Shane Bordeau <shane.bordeau@netqos.com> - Friday, September 27, 2002 at 09:22:30 (CDT) ref. "photo", reverse button on a paddle?? Hugo Ackermann Jr. <hippshooter@hotmail.com> - Thursday, September 26, 2002 at 17:56:49 (CDT) A nest full of !!! - http://ttmb.net/pics24/01culverts.jpg CaptJack <captjack@ev1.net> - Thursday, September 26, 2002 at 14:46:21 (CDT) Any body have any experience with a Dagger Bayou kayak?? Ray Churchman <raypaul@cox-internet.com> - Wednesday, September 25, 2002 at 18:08:27 (CDT) Any body have any experience with a Dagger Bayou kayark?? Ray Churchman <raypaul@cox-internet.com> - Wednesday, September 25, 2002 at 18:08:04 (CDT) Here is a picture of Norm's tired yellow cruiser after the safari battle (at the page bottom): http://www.frii.com/~uliasz/wayfarer/tws2002a.htm Marek <uliasz@frii.com> - Tuesday, September 24, 2002 at 13:54:38 (CDT) Oh and like they say different strokes for different folks. Jeremy, I believe Norm Thomas would be a good person to talk to, if you wish to stay with your SOT. Norm simply amazes me in his yellow boat. Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Tuesday, September 24, 2002 at 12:57:05 (CDT) Hey, Allan. I paddled alongside you guys for most of the Prelim in my C-1 and I enjoyed the company, especially since I wasn't 100 percent. You two did paddle hard and have a great attitude, but inline with what Lee said if you had invested that same amount of training in an aluminum for TWS 2002, you would have finished much better and the ride more enjoyable than 49th. My TC ran with me a little in his SOT and he quickly ditched the idea of Safari. When I wrapped my first C-1 at Old Mill, the SOT made for a great rescue/salvage platform. I don't think anyone is saying that it can't be done, it is just if you have a choice and you are starting early like Jeremy is, there are better boats out there at a reasonable cost. Henry <hedornak@aep.com> - Tuesday, September 24, 2002 at 12:49:57 (CDT) We ran The TWS this year on a SOT. It was our first race and we didn't know what we were in for. It is true that SOT's are heavy, wet, and hard to control. However, I disagree with the notion that it is difficult to make the check points on time just because your in a SOT. We came in 49th out of overall this year. We trained really hard for that race and our training paid off. Will I do TWS again on a SOT? NO Way! I now have an aluminum canoe that's already suped up for next years race! Alan Pickett Alan Pickett <apickett@soe.sony.com> - Tuesday, September 24, 2002 at 09:12:49 (CDT) I see a lot of races on the west coast that include the make of the boat in the results (especially in regards to surf-skis). The TWS has alot of custom made boats, but I think it would be very interesting to see the variety of boats that finish and place in the TWS, including SOT's. Yes, the paddler makes a HUGE difference (ie: Devo in a squirt boat could probably still place, but me in a squirt boat wouldn't make it to staples) however, the addition of the type of boat each team raced on the application/results could shed some light on what is successfull in racing, finishing, or how the boats progress over the years. I hate saying that a SOT can't compete when infact they have placed. It would definitly be interesting to see how the type of boats that are successfull vary from low water to high water. Roy =:-) Roy Lewis <wwildchild@aol.com> - Tuesday, September 24, 2002 at 08:16:26 (CDT) Jeremy, sit on tops = bad idea for the Safari. SOTS are almost invariably heavy, slow, uncomfortable and wet all of which combine to reduce your chances of completing the Safari. The Safari is a RACE with cut-off times that must be met along the way. Unless there is a flood, your chances of making the cut-offs are poor. 90+% of all experienced canoe & kayak racers, particuarly those with Safari experience will offer you this tried and proven advice: The best boat for a two person team attempting their first Safari is a 17' aluminum canoe. The preferred model is the Alumacraft Voyager which, at 55 lbs. is the lightest aluminum canoe made. Have comfortable tractor style seats installed and purchase some inexpensive but light qand good quality Al Camp padddles and you'll have around $1000 invested with an excellent opportunity to finish the race. Lee D. Lee Deviney <txpaddler@aol.com> - Monday, September 23, 2002 at 22:31:58 (CDT) Has anyone paddled between Luling and Palmetto in the last couple of weeks? I was told that the state park had closed access to the take out due to high water. Jeremy <bdanson@austin.rr.com> - Monday, September 23, 2002 at 22:20:24 (CDT) A friend and I are planning to run the safari next year. We have been running 15 to 20 mile trips to learn the river. Can anyone give me advise as to the best type of boat and what the think of sit-on-tops. jeremy <bdanson@austin.rr.com> - Sunday, September 22, 2002 at 17:32:57 (CDT) I just linked in a new addition to the website. The link is on the 'History & Records' page.: Searchable TWS race results Compliments of John Mark Harras ! You must have Excel, and it runs macros, but it is a searchable spreadsheet of all 2047 finishers of the Texas Water Safari ! FOR SALE, Rainmaker, Tandem Unlimited safari boat. 21 foot long ( derived from ICF Jensen canoe ) Carbon and Kevlar hull and waterproof front and rear compartments with screw on hatches.Carbon Rudder, Electric bilge pump, Foam Jug holders and storage bags.It comes with a spray skirt made by Tom Goynes. This is a good tough and stable canoe ready for 2003 safari. Phone 281 364 9514 or 832 545 9514 for more details. Julie & Colin Morgan-Grimshaw <cagandjepm@earthlink.net> - Wednesday, September 04, 2002 at 10:52:30 (CDT) I have posted a photo report from a recent weekend trip on Green River, Utah - 70 miles from Green River State Park through the Labyrinth Canyon to Mineral Bottom: http://www.frii.com/~uliasz/wayfarer/greenriver.htm Somewhat different landscape than Texas. Great paddling despite of very low water 650-750 cfs. We are considering organizing a race there, something like "100K+ Labyrinth Canyon Kayak/Canoe Race" (probably, starting at night and finishing the next day). However, the remotness of this area is its advantage and, at the same time, the disadvantage from the race perspective. Marek Uliasz <uliasz@frii.com> - Monday, September 02, 2002 at 11:37:33 (CDT) The Jr. Texas Water Safari entry forms are available at http://www.texaswatersafari.org . This is a good race to gain some racing experience. There will be a lot of top Safari paddlers and hey you get to go home at night. Phil Phil Bowden <pbowden@austin.rr.com> - Friday, August 30, 2002 at 13:43:05 (CDT) Hey Vern this is your daddy. WE don't be foolin novices into thinking that 15 foot sit with your butt in the water kayaks with fishing pole holders is river safari boats. Can you say Grummen canoe boy? Paddeling men finish the race in aluminum canoes and bullet proof kevlar cnaoes and they don't take time to fish. The blind lead the blind on this internet billboard. I can handle the clueless novices but now we gots the never was and never wills spitting out dumb advice. Vern <paddleman@kanuyou.com> - Friday, August 30, 2002 at 01:17:30 (CDT) Anyone have a ZRE medium weight bent-shaft (or similar) that they want to part with? Thanks in advance. Galen L. Gillum <glgillum@ev1.net> - Thursday, August 29, 2002 at 13:36:34 (CDT) Anybody out there ready to sign up for the Okie Challenge :) - not me... CaptJack <captjack@ev1.net> - Wednesday, August 28, 2002 at 22:19:04 (CDT) FOR SALE: Spencer Tandem Unlimited with end caps and storage hatches bow/stern. Excellent Condition. Carbon fiber pharmacy, water jug holders, spray skirt, two electric bilge pumps. Ready for 2003 Safari. The boat is at Spencer Canoes (Shady Grove Campground). If interested call James “devo” DeVoglaer (813.765.255) or Jack Spencer (512.357.6113). James H. "devo" DeVoglaer <j.devoman@verizon.net> - Wednesday, August 28, 2002 at 15:38:02 (CDT) I just received this article and it had the title: "Hurling at Boats." I thought it might be a how to article written by a Cowboy, but not so. Nonetheless, it doesn't bode well for Safari racers. Just when we thought that a few thousand gar were our biggest problem comes this new threat: Federal Government to Ban Invasive Carp State wildlife regulators are applauding the U.S. Fish and Wildlife’s proposal to ban the importing and interstate shipping of several carp species, as reported in the Aug. 23rd New York Times. Grass, black, bighead and silver carp were originally imported by catfish farmers to control unwanted plant and animals; however, concerns are rising following the escape and spread of the nonindigenous carp up the Mississippi river. The carp, including the notorious silver carp that can grow up to 150 lbs and frequently injure fisherman by hurling their bodies at boats, are voracious bottom feeders and compete with native fish for food and spawning ground. While catfish farmers oppose the federal ban, the ban would not affect those states that currently allow the carp. To learn more about stopping invasive species in your state, see http://www.serconline.org/ballast/index.htm. Tom Goynes <goynes@centurytel.net> - Wednesday, August 28, 2002 at 11:18:50 (CDT) I've just posted a couple of maps (Compliments of CaptJack) of the WaterTribe 2001 Okefenokee Challenge for those who are interested: Large Map Small Map Bob Brooks <kayaker@tamu.edu> - Wednesday, August 28, 2002 at 11:17:31 (CDT) Steve Isaac just finished posting DeVoglaer's article about his experience in the WaterTribe 2001 Okefenokee Challenge - http://www.watertribe.com\ /Magazine/2002_8August/DevoOkefenokeeChallenge2001.asp CaptJack <captjack@ev1.net> - Wednesday, August 28, 2002 at 11:16:31 (CDT) For Sale - 15'FuturaSport - fiberglass - kayak/surfski sit-on-top - perfect for Safari solo boat or Safari training boat - includes new compass & rod holder - $1050 - in Houston - 713-772-7463 - photo at - http://ttmb.net/pics23/1stRide.jpg - Futura's website - http://www.surfskis.com/ Austin Davis <austindavis@ev1.net> - Wednesday, August 28, 2002 at 11:15:16 (CDT) Question about lights: In this year's Safari I noticed several different lighting systems, but what seemed to be the brightest were about 2.5" wide, cast a glittering bluish colored light, and were bright enough to light up the entire river. I was using two Princeton Tec flashlights at the same time and they were no comparison. What kind of lights were these? Where can you get them? Tom Helm <tom.m.helm@bhpbilliton.com> - Wednesday, August 28, 2002 at 11:13:07 (CDT) I don't know if i would say that fructose is easier for the body to process. Fructose in high concentrations in a sports drink can tend to lead gastrointestinal distress in many athletes (because of its slow absorption rate). Here is an article talking about the different types of sugars in sports drinks and which if any is better: http://www.schenectadyregionalorthopedics.com/Newsletters/sports_drinks.htm . P.C. P.C. Randolph <puc_2000@yahoo.com> - Friday, August 23, 2002 at 13:25:50 (CDT) I found the article about over-hydration interesting. I was a rookie in this years TWS and barely made the cut of time. I finished the race in 94 hours. As far as health was concerned, I never had any problems. I was a little dilerious but five hours of sleep in ninty-four hours would do that to anyone. As far as dehydration, I never experienced any. I drank way under the recommended amount. I averaged 2 to 2.5 gallons in a 24 hour period. I felt this was plenty of water. I tried to derive most of my salts from dried fruit. Dried apricots have the highest amount of pottasium of any food. I avoided gatorade. Gatorade does have alot of electrolytes, but it also has alot of suger. The kidneys are going to have to borrow water to break down the suger. I stuck to pure water. The dried fruit and Odwalla bars(like power bars) supplied all the salts I needed. I don't think there is a magic number for how much you should drink, I am sure it is based off your body weight. I weigh 200 pounds and 2 to 2.5 gallons of water a day was plenty. I wasn't going to post my opion on this but since the article on over-hydration was posted, I thought I would throw my two cents in. Dried fruit is high in carbohydrates, but they are fructose and not sucrose. Frutose is easier for the body to process, diabetics can consume fructose with no problem. These were just my opions, I would like to see what other people think. The Texas Water Safari was a life changing experience for me and I can't wait until next year to give it another shot. tim Tim Wentrcek <twentrcek@dfwairport.com> - Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 13:27:21 (CDT) Here is a site that someone is saying that they know about racing boats: http://www.swiftcanoe.com/tips/html/body_bullfinch_s_canoe_and_kayak_my.html jack monaco - Monday, August 19, 2002 at 18:14:37 (CDT) FOR SALE: One Wenonah Voyager- complete with rudder and safari ready for the next trip down the river. Solo boat that is 18 months old and one safari under it's belt. E-mail or call at 361-749-1800. Price is 1,000. It has alot of miles left in her. Ken Shaver <kenshaver@hotmail.com> - Friday, August 16, 2002 at 12:25:11 (CDT) This may provide a little more information on the marathon fatality. There's quit a few articles available on this. http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/225/metro/Marathon_runner_s_death_linked_to_excessive_fluid_intake+.shtml Hugo Ackermann Jr. <hippshooter@hotmail.com> - Wednesday, August 14, 2002 at 23:13:45 (CDT) This is an article from the Sports Notebook section of the Houston Chronicle, Aug 14, 2002: “Coroner sites fluid in death – The death of a 28 year old runner at the Boston Marathon was caused by a critical sodium imbalance brought on in part by drinking too much fluid, according to the Massachusetts medical examiner. Cynthia Lucero of Ecuador died from hyponatremic encephalopathy, which happens when the brain becomes swollen because of a critical imbalance of sodium. Friends said Lucero drank large amounts of Gatorade at the April 16 race.” We certainly have an interest in proper hydration for our own version of marathoning. I think what we need is clarification of some aspects of this statement because my gut feeling is that there are some misleading inaccuracies. For one, I don’t think drinking too much fluid is the issue, rather, it is retention of the fluid caused by an electrolyte imbalance. Also, I cannot imagine Gatorade contributing to or causing this problem, but you never know. I will research this and also send this article to Gatorade for their comments. Dave Bartell <dbart@lcc.net> - Wednesday, August 14, 2002 at 11:54:47 (CDT) Does anyone know how to get in touch with Jason Locke, boat #115 finishing 52nd overall in the Safari, either email or phone number? I've got "how-did"/"how-to" questions about his solo kayak run. Thanks. Ted Edinger <tedinger@quixnet.net> - Wednesday, August 14, 2002 at 07:37:58 (CDT) More on Erin Magee. The Prague canoe races have been cancelled due to extensive flooding. Read about the flood at this website: http://my.netscape.com/corewidgets/news/story.psp?cat=51180&id=200208131809000106423 Roger Zimmerman <a-zsurplus@tisd.net> - Tuesday, August 13, 2002 at 21:26:42 (CDT) Paddled the San Marcos from City Park to Spencer's this past Friday. Water levels are still high, it looks like at least two feet above "normal". Several new logjams (one of them requiring a portage up a slippery bank) have formed between Thompson's Island and the Blanco confluence. The high water has tamed most of the rapids. The water is still too high to safely paddle under most of the low bridges with the exception of Scull's. Should be an interesting Jr. Safari if the water stays high and the river termites don't have a chance to cut some boat lanes. Tom Helm <tom.m.helm@bhpbilliton.com> - Monday, August 12, 2002 at 11:50:38 (CDT) More on Erin Magee. She won both the K-1 and the K-2 National championship. In the K-1 she beat the 2nd place finisher by over 50 seconds I believe she said. Then she teamed up with the 3rd place finisher and they won the K-2 National championship. I'm collecting funds to cover her trip expenses. So far donations coming to me have covered a first class round trip ticket to the National and World Cup plus $750 in cash. We still need more contributions to cover the rest of her expenses. Dig down and send your contributions to: Roger Zimmerman 210 MADERA Dr. (print MADERA large for our blind postal computer) Victoria, TX 77905-0611 Roger Zimmerman <a-zsurplus@tisd.net> - Sunday, August 11, 2002 at 17:00:51 (CDT) Erin Magee has won the women's K1 race at the USCA Nationals. You go girl!!! Talked to her today but didn't get a lot of details other than she's number one. She'll be off to World's on Sunday. Way to go, Erin!!! Linda Cochran <lcochran@austin.rr.com> - Saturday, August 10, 2002 at 19:19:57 (CDT) TWS racers: The WaterTribe (www.watertribe.com) has recently changed the rules for the 370-mile Okefenokee Challenge to allow a “choice” for the 40-mile portage between the St. Mary’s River and the Suwannee River. Those racing from a pure “paddling” perspective are not required to do the portage and will be classified as such. Anyone looking for a Challenge in someone else’s backyard can sign up at www.watertribe.com devo out.... James H. DeVoglaer <j.devoman@verizon.net> - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 17:17:09 (CDT) Trying to get in touch with Ron Popp. Does anyone have his email address? Thanks. Priscilla Kennedy <pkennedy@synhrgy.com> - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 16:39:58 (CDT) Hi all! Greetings from the Caribe, Please note the following date change for Belize Extreme Canoe Adventure New date Sept 21 and 22 nd, to coincide with the full moon and Belize Independence Day. Thanks Allie allie Ifield <toucancanoe@yahoo.com> - Monday, August 05, 2002 at 12:06:37 (CDT) Thanks to all at Spencer Canoe's for a great Safari Picnic, the brisket was awesome. It was great to see all the pictures that people took. Pat did a great job with the "Best Of" Video. How can we get a copy of that tape, it was great!!!! Leo and Evangline Ohlemacher, #6922 Evangline Ohlemacher <Ohles_Pride@yahoo.com> - Wednesday, July 31, 2002 at 19:53:16 (CDT) for sale yellow ocean kayak "scrambler" sit-on-top. $110 seat included. All for the low price of $400 obo. call or email 512-448-2155 great all round boa mike drost <mjdbld@earthlink.net> - Wednesday, July 31, 2002 at 19:36:38 (CDT) A Japanese company and an American company decided to have a canoe race on the Missouri River. Both teams practiced long and hard in order to reach their peak performance level before the race. On the big day, the Japanese won by a mile. Afterwards, the American team became very discouraged and morally depressed. The American management decided that the reason for the crushing defeat had to be found. A "Measurement Team," made up of senior management, was formed. It would investigate and recommend appropriate action. Their conclusion was that the Japanese had 8 people rowing and 1 person steering, while the Americans had 1 person rowing and 8 people steering. So American management hired a consulting company and paid it incredible amounts of money. Management was advised that too many people were steering the boat and not enough people were rowing. To prevent losing to the Japanese again the following year, the rowing team's management structure was totally reorganized to 4 steering supervisors, 3 area steering superintendents and 1 assistant superintendent steering manager. They also implemented a new performance system that would give the 1 person rowing the boat greater incentive to work harder. It was called the "Rowing Team Quality First Program," with meetings, dinners and free pens for the rower: "We must give the rower empowerment and enrichments through this quality program." The next year, the Japanese won by 2 miles. Humiliated, the American management laid off the rower for poor performance, halted development of a new canoe, sold the paddles, and canceled all capital investments for new equipment. Then they gave a High Performance Award to the steering managers and distributed the money saved as bonuses to the senior executives. Jeff Jouett <jj@visualcnc.com> - Wednesday, July 31, 2002 at 18:36:34 (CDT) Didn't Steve Schemick (sp?) who worked for Men's Health magazine finish the Safari in a downriver kayak type boat in the early 90's? Wonder why he never came back? Ginsie <ginseigirl@hotmail.com> - Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 23:08:57 (CDT) FOR SALE: Alumacraft Voyager 5-rib. Equipped with wenonah sliding seats, center v-brace, and foot braces (bow and stern). Purchased and rigged earlier this year to race nationals. Raced once (Seguin Pecan Paddle, 10mi). No dents or scratches. Very good condition. $1,000 Don Baumbach <djbaumbach@msn.com> - Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 09:49:00 (CDT) Erin Magee, the female solo record holder in the Safari, is heading to World Championships in Czech Republic. Here's an article from the San Marcos Daily Record. There's going to be a fundraiser next monday in San Marcos. When an athlete rises to the top of their chosen sport, chances are they will make enough money through salary, prize winnings or endorsements to set them up for life. That definitely isn't the case in the world of kayaking and canoeing. In fact, to compete on the world kayaking and canoeing scene, an athlete many times must foot the vast majority of the bill themselves. Despite that reality, when Erin Magee won the U.S. women's solo national marathon kayaking championship and was asked to represent the nation in the same division at the World Championships in the Czech Republic in mid-August, she never hesitated in saying yes. "I knew that this could be a once-in-a-lifetime chance," Magee said. "I was going to go no matter what I had to do. Even if I had to take out a loan, I knew I was going to make that trip." Local lawyer Jim Pape and is trying to make sure Magee, a Martindale resident who works at Southwest Texas State University and trains in San Marcos, doesn't have to make a call to a loan officer just yet. Pape and his wife Dianne are both lifelong canoeing and kayaking fans. They helped start the "Czech Erin Out" committee, which will be holding a fund raiser for Magee on Monday Aug.5 from 5:30 p.m.-7 p.m., at the Old Fish Hatchery building, located on the San Marcos River across from City Park. The goal of the "Czech Erin Out" function is to raise approximately $3,000 to help defray the expenses of the overseas competition and to give the world-class athlete a sendoff that will demonstrate the community's support and appreciation. "Dianne and I are excited to have someone who trains on the San Marcos River and lives in this community representing the U.S. in an international competition," Jim Pape said. "She's in that river training almost every day, and her hard work has really paid off. "I think as a community we need to be supportive of someone who is both a fine athlete and a fine human being." The Papes started the fund raising drive with a sponsor-level donation of $200. The other donation denominations are patron level ($100-199), and friends ($5-99). Also, various items, including a red soloist recreational kayak, will be raffled or auctioned off at the "Czech Erin Out" function. The event will feature a light buffet and drinks, and comments from SWT Athletic Director Greg LaFleur and local longtime canoeing enthusiast and expert Tom Goynes, as well as a thank you from Magee. Magee said she was overwhelmed when she heard the news of the planned "Czech Erin Out" function, especially since the U.S. Association of Canoeing and Kayaking will only reimburse her five percent or less of her total expenses. "It's a blessing a Godsend," Magee said. "I never counted on anything like this when I said I would go to the World Championships. "It's been so beneficial to me because I've been able to concentrate on training and preparing for the race a lot more than I would have had to if I knew I was going to have to come up with all of the money on my own." Local business owners that would like to donate food or money to "Czech Erin Out" may contact the Papes at 392-5579. Individuals that would like to donate money but cannot attend the function on Aug. 5, should use the same contact number. Tom Pope <tom_r_p@lycos.com> - Monday, July 29, 2002 at 12:41:56 (CDT) Wade Binion & Rob Wytaske finished the Au Sable in 17:56:56! Congratulations and good job, guys! Looks like the third Texas team of Richard Steppe & Jerry Brown dropped out due to injury. I don't know any race details, but maybe each of the teams will post an account for us after they get home and rest a bit. Pat <pgunnsco@thegateway.net> - Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 22:44:05 (CDT) Ouch. And I thought Mullet hurt when Water Skying. C.J. Hall <cjhall@itouch.net> - Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 13:17:19 (CDT) Congratulations to Fred & Kyle! They just finished the AuSable in 14th place. Less than an hour between Serge & Jeff's 15:04:56 and the first 15 boats to finish. 51 boats started. Good job, Mynars! P.S. I'll put our leaping gars up against Florida's jumping sturgeons any day! We too have a broken ribs/punctured lung story. Actually, the sturgeons sounded a bit small. Pat <pgunnsco@thegateway.net> - Sunday, July 28, 2002 at 12:38:08 (CDT) ..and Safari racers complain about the gar leaping out of the water and attacking them... http://www.stpetersburgtimes.com/2002/07/26/State/Leaping_sturgeon_beco.shtml CaptJack <captjack@ev1.net> - Saturday, July 27, 2002 at 09:37:16 (CDT) San Marcos River is just under the Martindale low water bridge as of 7/26/02 Lee Lee Deviney - Friday, July 26, 2002 at 23:36:50 (CDT) Please hit us with a river report. Certainly someone has seen it, eh? Is it over the low water krossings? Is Thompson's still an isla, Is Westerfield Xing out? Is Cummins Dam blowing frothy hydraulics all over this biatch? vance joint <gvj4@hotmail.com> - Friday, July 26, 2002 at 21:00:47 (CDT) KATHY DERRICK FINISHED THE SAFARI IN THE MID 70'S IN A DOWNRIVER KAYAK. AND I ALSO THINK THAT WAS THE FIRST SOLO WOMAN FINISHER. ONE TOUGH LADY. RICHARD GOOD TO GO r. miller <richetel@yahoo.com> - Friday, July 26, 2002 at 18:02:04 (CDT) Does anybody know the river conditions from Martindale to the Luling Bridge. Was thinking about trying it on saturday? Born2Hang <steve_richmond@msn.com> - Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 18:42:21 (CDT) K1 finishers include, but are certainly not limited to Roger Rice, John Dunn, West Hansen and the Mendenhall depending on how you define a K1, e.g. solo kayak. If you mean an ICF K1, then Roger and Dunn come close enough finishing in similar but shorter downriver kayaks. Whether anyone has completed in a spec. ICF kayak doesn't matter much. Downriver kayaks and some of the specialty boats that have completed the race are essentially ICF kayaks. Fast until the paddlers get tired. If they were appropriate safari boats, people would use them Lee Deviney <txpaddler@aol.com> - Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 14:01:44 (CDT) Greg K: FMC #9 certainly has a lore all its own. We tried to find out what the "Mopar" and "Chocar" meant from the team following it at Cuero 236 this past year, but they were not giving away any secrets. Can't help you with anything here. I did not hear the story, please fill me in on what happened to Boat #9. BTW, my dad and me, have now finished seven safaris in a row with the same boat, #222 a Minnesota II, 1996 - present. Before that we finished six years in a row with the same Alumacraft, 1990-1995 (plus 1988). mfe Mark Elvig <elvig@houston.rr.com> - Wednesday, July 24, 2002 at 21:28:59 (CDT) I'm not going to try it (since just staying upright in flat water for 5 min is tough enough for me), but I was curious if anyone has ever finished the TWS in a K-1? Roy =:-) Roy Lewis <wwildchild@aol.com> - Wednesday, July 24, 2002 at 10:03:00 (CDT) Jon-I've had roundtables at coffee bars discussing the legend of FUMAR Mopar CHOCAR. In case they ever get that Safari Hall of Fame up and running, what exactly does that mean? Fumar is ---To Smoke----. Help is out with the rest. BTW< Very few if any have done the race six consecutive times with the same boat and same people---In fact, I doubt it has been done. That should be verified by the board... If that doesn't get you in then----Certainly, no one has "kicked it" in the bay for 14 hours. And don't forget that the #9 boat has had the best Team Captains this side of Owen West. Greg K <hammer1@pdq.net> - Wednesday, July 24, 2002 at 09:03:45 (CDT) Hey Jon, sorry to hear about your loss, she was a fine ole gal with many a mile under her gnarly keel....LET`S ALL HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE.....OK good,....now why don`t you and Stace buy DEVO`S tandem-u and let the legend live on with #9 FUMAR CHOCAR MOPAR II,....more happy-go-lucky miles in a new fast ride,.....may be enough juice there to keep you to guys rollin on for another 6yrs,......Hmmmmmm?????? doug <dmackay@grindingsource.com> - Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 13:30:34 (CDT) Lake Michigan Expedition Race is under way since yest. Racers apparently pinned down for last night and this morning by 6 foots waves/wind. Go to www.watertribe.com, Discussion, for updates. (Devoman is not in this one.) John <goodpaddle@yahoo.com> - Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 11:22:24 (CDT) Jensen J-200 USCA C-1 for sale. It's been down the San Marcos a few times so it has some scratches, but it's still pretty solid. Asking $1000 (negotiable). David Kloesel 713-551-9066 (houston) david_kloesel@hotmail.com David Kloesel <david_kloesel@hotmail.com> - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 17:29:59 (CDT) Where for out though FUMAR CHOCHAR MOPAR...... Ol' number 9 is gone. Forver taken by the river. 07/20/02. Jon Schoepflin <jon.schoepflin@nextel.com> - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 17:10:49 (CDT) Does anyone know how to get a hold of Mark Simmons? Thanks Jon Schoepflin <jon.schoepflin@nextel.com> - Monday, July 22, 2002 at 14:55:33 (CDT) Well, I've had a few letters regarding the long distance races here in Belize, I don't want to tie up this message board on races other than TWS, but I thought it may amuse you that no matter where we race the feelings are mutual. I'd also like to invite you to visit this community for paddlers I just started, http://groups.msn.com/CANOECRAZY it's a place to relate your experiences. Well, La Ruta Maya Belize River Challenge began at 7 AM precisely, March 8th, in San Ignacio Belize. Once again I found myself inexorably in it’s midst, again questioning our sanity and that of our last minute replacement (Sue), from Ladysmith, BC, Canada. The stroke (Amanda) and I (Allie) had been preparing for this race for months. At the start line, I was fighting food poisoning- bad luck for the beginning of |
